Badbabysitter says men's activists aren't doing anything...

[LJ_Reloaded]

We're protesting and holding seminars, and we're making feminist zealots look very bad for trying to deny our right to do so.

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/the-university-of-toronto-cradle-of-a-revolution/#more-3021

Cliff's Notes: Feminist zealots tried to shut down Warren Farrel's Men's Issues speech at a Toronto campus, and as a result he got AIR TIME on TV and the feminist zealots got utterly skewered.

Now MORE men's rights seminars are happening as a direct rebellion against feminist censorship.

Whoops.

You can't stop the tsunami.

 

[badbabysitter]

outside of getting air time...what exactly has he done for men's rights?

 

[badbabysitter]

since LT isnt responding, I will

Warren Farrel does not consider himself a male rights activist..in fact, he is considered to be one of the pioneers of second wave feminism..he doesnt feel men have lost any rights, just that issues since NOW was enacted have to be dealt with concerning men

in 2009 he was appointed by the White House to sit on the White House Council on Boys and Men

he has written several books critical of far right and far left view points on male roles..there is much criticism that many of his studies ignore many aspects of societal economic factors...

Farrel also agrees that men have far more insititutional power than women and over women.. then the inverse

in closing..outside of air time.. what has he done for men's rights?

very little...he merely addresses concerns that men should legitimately step up to

 

[Pairaclities]

We're protesting and holding seminars, and we're making feminist zealots look very bad for trying to deny our right to do so.

Yep, you're a hero.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

since LT isnt responding, I will

Warren Farrel does not consider himself a male rights activist..in fact, he is considered to be one of the pioneers of second wave feminism..he doesnt feel men have lost any rights, just that issues since NOW was enacted have to be dealt with concerning men

in 2009 he was appointed by the White House to sit on the White House Council on Boys and Men

he has written several books critical of far right and far left view points on male roles..there is much criticism that many of his studies ignore many aspects of societal economic factors...

Farrel also agrees that men have far more insititutional power than women and over women.. then the inverse

in closing..outside of air time.. what has he done for men's rights?

You've ignored all the legislative victories I've listed by men's rights groups and now you're trying to downplay our ability to get air time?

And Warren Farrell is HATED by most feminists. Perhaps you haven't been keeping up.

 

[badbabysitter]

You've ignored all the legislative victories I've listed by men's rights groups and now you're trying to downplay our ability to get air time?

And Warren Farrell is HATED by most feminists. Perhaps you haven't been keeping up.

firstly, the legislative victories have nothing to do with this article

secondly, exactly what victories being celebrated by men would not be a victory for women as well?


thirdly,no, Warren Farrel is not hated by most feminists..you are told by your MRA masters that he is

Warren Farell is hated by some feminists.. but he is also hated by some anti-feminists as well

 

[Cade Is Here]

This threads shows lt with his split personalities... Whoa! too cool!

 

[badbabysitter]

This threads shows lt with his split personalities... Whoa! too cool!

maybe you can get tyrone biggs, rory_skooled and dripping penis to chime in on their opinions

 

[BotanyBoy]

since LT isnt responding, I will

Warren Farrel does not consider himself a male rights activist..in fact, he is considered to be one of the pioneers of second wave feminism..he doesnt feel men have lost any rights, just that issues since NOW was enacted have to be dealt with concerning men

Farrel also agrees that men have far more insititutional power than women and over women.. then the inverse

BBS......name this massive institutional power men have over women. Show me where women are LEGALLY SUBJUGATED by men.

Point it out...LMFAO!!

"But!! BUTT!! BUTTT!! RAPE CULTURE!!!!"

In 5........4.........3.......

 

[badbabysitter]

BBS......name this massive institutional power men have over women. Show me where women are LEGALLY SUBJUGATED by men.

Point it out...LMFAO!!

"But!! BUTT!! BUTTT!! RAPE CULTURE!!!!"

In 5........4.........3.......

I swear to god your level of being obtuse must be an act

institutional control and subjugation are two different things entirely.... it's like you get deliberately hung up on words, you then make your own definitions and then criticize others for not sharing your opinion of the word

in the sense of institutional control we shall take abortion and the police as tow very simple examples... simple enough I hope you are able to follow..I will even use small words


in period of 20 years, 72 women went missing from one neighborhood.. the police simply did not investigate and down played any attempts to investigate it.. the only female officer who decided to investigate was told to simply stop... the result.. Canada's worst serial killer was eventually arrested after public outcry and the remains of over 50 of those missing women were found on his property...and no, this isnt me sayingit was women being told what to do and men not caring...it was the result of an offical inquiry into the sheer incompetence of the police in this matter

secondly.. abortion...if you can't figure this out.. by christ, then you're just fucking stupid

 

[badbabysitter]

also..LT might want to look up Farrels opinions on incest...maybe he'll get some insight into why feminists might protest his speaking... just saying

 

[richard_daily]

We're protesting and holding seminars, and we're making feminist zealots look very bad for trying to deny our right to do so.

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/the-university-of-toronto-cradle-of-a-revolution/#more-3021

Cliff's Notes: Feminist zealots tried to shut down Warren Farrel's Men's Issues speech at a Toronto campus, and as a result he got AIR TIME on TV and the feminist zealots got utterly skewered.

Now MORE men's rights seminars are happening as a direct rebellion against feminist censorship.

Whoops.

You can't stop the tsunami.

You're not doing shit except posting on the internet. Stop taking credit for things that other people do... and even in that case, what they do in this regard is pretty weak.

Seriously, get over your fear of women...

 

[subdued_passion]

We're protesting and holding seminars, and we're making feminist zealots look very bad for trying to deny our right to do so.

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/the-university-of-toronto-cradle-of-a-revolution/#more-3021

Cliff's Notes: Feminist zealots tried to shut down Warren Farrel's Men's Issues speech at a Toronto campus, and as a result he got AIR TIME on TV and the feminist zealots got utterly skewered.

Now MORE men's rights seminars are happening as a direct rebellion against feminist censorship.

Whoops.

You can't stop the tsunami.

SO let me get this right. You are proud and happy that you are making the feminists look bad.



So, this is what it's come down to? Instead of tackling real issues and real problems in society, it's a man vs woman battle. Because see, if it is a battle against issues, a win for the feminists is also a win for the male rights activists because both are fighting for equal treatment.

So... how can one group be more correct than the other if both sides want the same thing?


My head hurts. Hope you're having a good Sunday, LJ.

 

[BotanyBoy]

institutional control and subjugation are two different things entirely....

In what fucking universe???

sub·ju·gate transitive verb \ˈsəb-ji-ˌgāt\
: to defeat and gain control of

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjugate

The difference is maybe circumstance depending on perspective/context, with the exact same end result.

If men have institutional control over women then they were subjugated at some point, there would be very very very clear evidence of this well recorded by society. Point it out....oh wait you can't.

Either that or women surrendered their legal rights/powers willingly to men.....and I dare say there would be some pretty good records of that happening as well.

in the sense of institutional control we shall take abortion and the police as tow very simple examples... simple enough I hope you are able to follow..I will even use small words

Ok

in period of 20 years, 72 women went missing from one neighborhood.. the police simply did not investigate and down played any attempts to investigate it.. the only female officer who decided to investigate was told to simply stop... the result.. Canada's worst serial killer was eventually arrested after public outcry and the remains of over 50 of those missing women were found on his property...and no, this isnt me sayingit was women being told what to do and men not caring...it was the result of an offical inquiry into the sheer incompetence of the police in this matter

So what the mother fuck is your point you fucking twit???

That's not even remotely close to men having institutionalized control over women....you're a fucking NUTBAG.

Just like I said you would "butt butt rape culture!!" = emotional appeal to support bullshit claims, just like this sob story about some guy killing women is

The only way you could have won that point was by C&P'ing the law that clearly outlines the powers that men legally hold over women......which you can't do....because you're a fucking NUTBAG.

secondly.. abortion...if you can't figure this out.. by christ, then you're just fucking stupid

WHAT THE FUCK? Again with this bullshit...it's fucking legal you fuckin' moron in my country and yours.

Now I know you're nuttier than a squirrel turd in a pecan silo but "legal access" does not mean free at home call abortions in 30min or less.......it's regulated by each state. But it's legal and you can get one in every state, and no it's not cheap.....not many things in this world are. That's just the fuckin' reality of paying someone to go to medical school, become an OBGYN, open a practice and then do your operation. You only have 3 other options, vote the state to make other people pay for your fuck up, convince someone else to pay for your fuck up and DIY....I don't suggest the latter.

 

[Sean]

And Warren Farrell is HATED by most feminists. Perhaps you haven't been keeping up.

Actually, I'm gonna guess that most feminists have never even heard of him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Actually, I'm gonna guess that most feminists have never even heard of him.

Actually, I'm gonna guess that whatever you say is invalid b/c you call people who work for a living scum.......kill yourself.

 

[badbabysitter]

In what fucking universe???

sub·ju·gate transitive verb \ˈsəb-ji-ˌgāt\
: to defeat and gain control of

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjugate

The difference is maybe circumstance depending on perspective/context, with the exact same end result.

If men have institutional control over women then they were subjugated at some point, there would be very very very clear evidence of this well recorded by society. Point it out....oh wait you can't.

proving my point again...you get hung up on definitions.. find the definitions that suit your purpose..ignore the intent of the words... you give me your opinion of what something means, assign that position to me.. and then criticize me for having the position you assigned me....hi Ishmael

Either that or women surrendered their legal rights/powers willingly to men.....and I dare say there would be some pretty good records of that happening as well.

once again, you miss the point...it's a pattern I've noticed... I will try to spell this out again

this is not about rights being surrendered, this isnt about rights being taken away, this isnt about some sort of organized effort to control women..it's merely what happens

and yes, there have been records of men having control over women, even so far as the 20th century..if you're confused about what it might be , look up the sufferage movement.. you might be shocked to learn that once upon a time women couldnt vote

Ok



So what the mother fuck is your point you fucking twit???

my point is that there still exists in stratums of our society, places of power which have no interest in women and have intentioanlly ignored them... thuasly showing that the men thaat our in these positions have institutional control over women... which is what I've been trying to explain to your slow mind

That's not even remotely close to men having institutionalized control over women....you're a fucking NUTBAG.

it's exactly what it is...how is it not?

Just like I said you would "butt butt rape culture!!" = emotional appeal to support bullshit claims, just like this sob story about some guy killing women is

emotional appeal? if you discovered that dozens of men were tortured and murdered and the only reason it wasnt investigated was because it was men... you'd think gender has nothing to do with it?

really?

really?

The only way you could have won that point was by C&P'ing the law that clearly outlines the powers that men legally hold over women......which you can't do....because you're a fucking NUTBAG.

I did win.. because you have yet to show me how it would have been different if it was the murder of men that was opposed investigation by women... untill you can, you simply don;t have a leg to stand on

WHAT THE FUCK? Again with this bullshit...it's fucking legal you fuckin' moron in my country and yours.

yes, it is legal... it is also incredibly regulated, highly restricted and almost impossible to get in some of your states...

Now I know you're nuttier than a squirrel turd in a pecan silo but "legal access" does not mean free at home call abortions in 30min or less.......it's regulated by each state. But it's legal and you can get one in every state, and no it's not cheap.....not many things in this world are. That's just the fuckin' reality of paying someone to go to medical school, become an OBGYN, open a practice and then do your operation. You only have 3 other options, vote the state to make other people pay for your fuck up, convince someone else to pay for your fuck up and DIY....I don't suggest the latter.

actually no, on demand means on demand.. you want to change "on demand" to " myriad loopholes and possible criminal charges"

Canada has abortion on demand.. the US does not..untill one can walk to any abortion clinic and get one..it will simply not be on demand ..no matter how much you try twisting what on demand means

it's like talking to a teenage boy, i swear to god

 

[BotanyBoy]

proving my point again...you get hung up on definitions.

No fucking shit....word's they mean thing's you fucking moron.

find the definitions that suit your purpose..ignore the intent of the words... you give me your opinion of what something means, assign that position to me.. and then criticize me for having the position you assigned me.

LMFAO!!! this is just cream.....

"ignore the intent of the words" sooooo...I'm supposed to know what you think words mean when you use the wrong words....HAHAHAHAHAHA

Give you my opinion of what something means? No dumb ass I give you what they actually mean according to the engerish language and the rest of the engerish speaking world.

No I criticize you because you think a neglected crime investigations = institutionalized control of women by men.....that's just so bat shit it's laughable.

this is not about rights being surrendered, this isnt about rights being taken away, this isnt about some sort of organized effort to control women.

Yes it is, that's precisely what the fuck institutionalized control is.....moron.

and yes, there have been records of men having control over women, even so far as the 20th century..if you're confused about what it might be , look up the sufferage movement.. you might be shocked to learn that once upon a time women couldnt vote

That was 93 fucking years ago....I was speaking of currently, you dumb fucking twat.

Show me the law that gives men control over women....you claim there is institutionalized control of women, by men....I fucking defy you to point it out.

my point is that there still exists in stratums of our society,

That's not institutionalized control dumbass....words...they fuckin' mean things.

Places of power which have no interest in women and have intentioanlly ignored them.

DURRRRRRR.....what the mother fuck does that have to do with insitutionalized control of women by men?

NOTHING!!!!! not a mother fuckin' thing....women are not going to have 100% of all power positions/roles in all situations....it's simply not going to be that way, ever, get fucking real.

.. thuasly showing that the men thaat our in these positions have institutional control over women. Which is what I've been trying to explain to your slow mind

BAHAHAHAHAHAAH you're digging so deep for that bullshit......it doesn't even make sense.

Sometimes men are in control in certain situations "thuasly" (whatever the fuck that is) showing that men have institutional control over women, official decrees of men's authority over women.

Really? Are you that fucking loony???

it's exactly what it is...how is it not?

It's a fucking psyco who kills women...that's what it is. That's not the law of the land decreeing men have control over women....your a fucking loon.

emotional appeal? if you discovered that dozens of men were tortured and murdered and the only reason it wasnt investigated was because it was men... you'd think gender has nothing to do with it??

That is 100% speculation and your crazy flag is flying bigger than fuck. There could be any number of reasons why cases are handled the way they are, and in some cases it is negligence. But that's still not institutionalized control of women by men....that's not a law saying men have power over women.

I did win.. because you have yet to show me how it would have been different if it was the murder of men that was opposed investigation by women... untill you can, you simply don;t have a leg to stand on

No dumb ass...you lost b/c you're not even arguing the point....your arguing sexism via neglect with speculation.....that's not even remotely close to institutionalized control of women by men. Put the tinfoil hat back on BBS....god damn you need it.

yes, it is legal... it is also incredibly regulated, highly restricted and almost impossible to get in some of your states.

In some states...in others it's like ordering a McDouble....but it is legal in all 50.

Women can go get an abortion in every fuckin state whenever the fuck they feel like it....some states may take longer to jump through hoops.....they can always go down the road to another state if they don't like the hoops in their home state.

actually no, on demand means on demand.. you want to change "on demand" to " myriad loopholes and possible criminal charges"

Well...that's regulation, and if you don't follow regulations you get prosecuted under the law just like every other fuckin thing the gubbmint regulates.

Just because you have to be 21 to drink doesn't mean the US is a dry nation.

You advocate them regulating the fuckin' shit out of everything else......taste your own fucking medicine liberal you liberal scum. HA!! mother fuckin' HA!!!

Canada has abortion on demand.. the US does not.

Bullshit...any american woman can have an abortion within the borders of the United States of America just as soon as she can get to a doctor who will agree to perform the operation.

I don't see how much more "on demand" it get's than that.....

.untill one can walk to any abortion clinic and get one..it will simply not be on demand ..no matter how much you try twisting what on demand means

Uhhh......they can....you stupid twat.

 

[badbabysitter]

jesus fuck he's stupid

 

[BotanyBoy]

jesus fuck he's stupid

Ahh yes....petty name calling, you have reached the ultimate end of all internet fail.....

All you have to do is point out the institutionalized control and you win.....point out the law/system/organization that gives men official authority to control women.

And 3 generations back doesn't count.....current laws/systems in place to give men power over women.

Come on crazy.....you can surly find a domestic abuse case to prove institutionalized control of women by men.

You know...domestic abuse CLEARLY being a female only issue as you so often like to point out despite 40% of hospitalized victims and 49-51% of abuse victims being male.

Or if you want to go back to our old arguing point....show me how women can't get an abortion in the US......derpina.

 

[EducatedOwl]

Anyone who unironically uses the term "men's rights" deserves no response but laughter.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anyone who unironically uses the term "men's rights" deserves no response but laughter.

So you honestly don't accept that there are any or ever has been any sexism against men?

What a fucking twat you are....educated my fuckin' ass, you need to pick up a family law book in most states it's sexist as fuck.

Let's talk about prison terms and prosecution/sentencing of women v men....

fucking domestic violence laws....20/20 video taped cops arresting a guy after a woman assaulted him, they just assume he started it and haul him off....totally fine. But...you know he just deserves laughter right? fuck his civil rights....if a woman is involved he's wrong no matter what!!

Everyone deserves rights you ignorant white knighting dick bag....

 

[EducatedOwl]

Stop making straw men. I never said there is no such thing as sexism against men and I never said men don't deserve rights.

The term "men's rights" is silly because there has never been a need for a push for men's rights. Men make more money, men hold a huge majority of executive positions, men are disproportionately represented in government, men are given power over women by major religions, etc., etc., etc. The term "men's rights" is only used by the people who are too willfully ignorant to see that the world is still largely run by men.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Stop making straw men. I never said there is no such thing as sexism against men and I never said men don't deserve rights.

So you then agree that in certain situations that men's rights activist are more than appropriate yes??

The term "men's rights" is silly because there has never been a need for a push for men's rights.

Really? Men don't deserve fair custody laws? Fathers don't need equal parental rights? Oh that's right you're a fem nazi white knighting faggot...of course they don't deserve equal rights to see their own fuckin' kids

Of course they deserve 50-65% more time in prison for the exact same crime....feminism's equality hard at work...mmmhmm....

Men make more money,

Only in the broadest sense....and that has more to do with job field choice and aggressiveness in perusing advancement according to the sane studies not done by femnazi's or dickless shit lickers like LJ.

And there are literally hundreds of very main stream and quite common job fields that women actually get paid more than men.....dig beyond 88/dollar femnazi mantra that only really only holds any water when you factor in the richest of the rich. Women don't have as much old money, never going to happen, sorry you have to play catch up but but if you want to make the Forbes 500, 138 of which are women last I checked, that's on you....ain't got shit to do with equality or men having power over women. We have just been at it longer.....nothing stopping women from putting every man in the US out of business, not a damn thing, so put up or shut up. Put Goldman Sachs under ladies.....become Army Rangers.....Navy SEALS....just shut the fuck up about how it's a man's fault you're busy crying about it instead of being about it.

men hold a huge majority of executive positions,

Only because we the people voted/spent our money that way....

If women want more executive positions they need to start more companies and campaign for more public offices. Nothing stopping them...wtf is the problem?? They have had a few generations and several decades to do it.....what the mother fuck?

men are disproportionately represented in government,

SO ELECT SOME WOMEN!!! Not a fucking thing is stopping women from running...nothing. The women that are there seemed to figure it the fuck out....the fuck is everyone else's problem?? Put a female candidate up there that will win...just that simple. How is that in any way men's fault? How does that negate the need for groups to organize and speak out when they are being wronged???

It doesn't...you're just a pendejo....

men are given power over women by major religions

Religions are voluntary high speed....the men are given power....GIVEN...guess who GIVES them that power over women?? Women....not a damn thing stopping them from telling Bubba to take his old testament bullshit and blow it out his ass.......nothing.

, etc., etc., etc. The term "men's rights" is only used by the people who are too willfully ignorant to see that the world is still largely run by men.

Being run by men doesn't mean men aren't deserving of or in certain situations (such as parental rights/family/divorce laws in most states for example) in dire need of public discussion and activism. There are plenty of white knighting sexist pieces of shit just like you in government who think dad just needs to STFU and give mom a check because a woman only makes 88c for a mans dollar!!! Men have more power over women, yeaaa!! can't even point that one out but it sounds good as fuck!! Fuck your parental rights dad, you were born with a dick, how fucking dare you!

 

[EducatedOwl]

So you then agree that in certain situations that men's rights activist are more than appropriate yes??

No. The existence of prejudice, in and of itself, does not necessitate activism.

Really? Men don't deserve fair custody laws? Fathers don't need equal parental rights? Oh that's right you're a fem nazi white knighting faggot...of course they don't deserve equal rights to see their own fuckin' kids

How, exactly, do I have any less of legal right to my child than my wife?

Of course they deserve 50-65% more time in prison for the exact same crime....feminism's equality hard at work...mmmhmm....

Source for this statistic?

Only in the broadest sense

So you admit it. Cool.

....and that has more to do with job field choice and[ aggressiveness in perusing advancement according to the sane studies not done by femnazi's or dickless shit lickers like LJ.

And there are literally hundreds of very main stream and quite common job fields that women actually get paid more than men.....dig beyond 88/dollar femnazi mantra that only really only holds any water when you factor in the richest of the rich. Women don't have as much old money, never going to happen, sorry you have to play catch up but but if you want to make the Forbes 500, 138 of which are women last I checked, that's on you....ain't got shit to do with equality or men having power over women. We have just been at it longer.....nothing stopping women from putting every man in the US out of business, not a damn thing, so put up or shut up. Put Goldman Sachs under ladies.....become Army Rangers.....Navy SEALS....just shut the fuck up about how it's a man's fault you're busy crying about it instead of being about it.

All irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

Only because we the people voted/spent our money that way....

So you admit it. Cool.

If women want more executive positions they need to start more companies and campaign for more public offices. Nothing stopping them...wtf is the problem?? They have had a few generations and several decades to do it.....what the mother fuck?

All irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

SO ELECT SOME WOMEN!!! Not a fucking thing is stopping women from running...nothing.

So you admit it. Cool.

The women that are there seemed to figure it the fuck out....the fuck is everyone else's problem?? Put a female candidate up there that will win...just that simple. How is that in any way men's fault? How does that negate the need for groups to organize and speak out when they are being wronged???

It doesn't...you're just a pendejo....

All irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

Religions are voluntary high speed....the men are given power

So you admit it. Cool.

....GIVEN...guess who GIVES them that power over women?? Women....not a damn thing stopping them from telling Bubba to take his old testament bullshit and blow it out his ass.......nothing.

All irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make.

Being run by men doesn't mean men aren't deserving of or in certain situations (such as parental rights/family/divorce laws in most states for example) in dire need of public discussion and activism. There are plenty of white knighting sexist pieces of shit just like you in government who think dad just needs to STFU and give mom a check because a woman only makes 88c for a mans dollar!!! Men have more power over women, yeaaa!! can't even point that one out but it sounds good as fuck!! Fuck your parental rights dad, you were born with a dick, how fucking dare you!

Except I have pointed it out, and you have just admitted that the things I pointed out are true.

Let's take a look at two assertions.

Assertion A: that men own the majority of the country's money, run the majority of the country's businesses, control the majority of the country's government, and lead the majority of the country's religious institutions.

Assertion B: that men in this country are widely and systemically oppressed, and therefore that there is need for a "men's rights" movement.

Logically, A and B cannot coexist. One or the other must be false. Since you have just agreed that A is true, B must be false.

If you have specific beefs with divorce laws, and you can explain them, cool. I'll listen. But come off the "men's rights" thing. Men in this country are not oppressed.