Now we know what side the French are really on and why they are so against a war on Iraq! 
France selling Mirage fighter jet parts to Iraq
France selling Mirage fighter jet parts to Iraq
Back-stabbing France is selling weapons to Iraq!
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sweet soft kiss
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this was a surprise to you Frimost? Did you think they were against the US going in there for humanitarian reasons?
Yeah I read it, but there is such a thing as “plausible deniability” and I think it would be rather difficult for a company to pull this off in a nation with a strict socialized economy with a lot of central goverment control over the heavy industry sector like France has without the French intelligence services knowing of it.
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Mad TV.....
Did a great bit with Sodamn Insane having a victory party over the last UN decision.
His guests were the French leader, the German leader, and that North Korean wackjob. They made all types of funny comments about "nuking the food" and such. You had to see it.
France supplied arms, Germany supplied arms and built the bunkers, NK provided arms and maybe a nuke, we'll see in a few days.
*After the conflict, we'll find outright dastardly transactions by the opponents of disarmament now.
Did a great bit with Sodamn Insane having a victory party over the last UN decision.
His guests were the French leader, the German leader, and that North Korean wackjob. They made all types of funny comments about "nuking the food" and such. You had to see it.
France supplied arms, Germany supplied arms and built the bunkers, NK provided arms and maybe a nuke, we'll see in a few days.
*After the conflict, we'll find outright dastardly transactions by the opponents of disarmament now.
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Re: Mad TV.....
Wrong. I saw it and it sucked. It was one of the better skits on the show. It is very sad to see how downhill MadTV has gone since their first season.
Lost Cause said:
Wrong. I saw it and it sucked. It was one of the better skits on the show. It is very sad to see how downhill MadTV has gone since their first season.
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By Lit Law, only one France-bashing thread per day:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?threadid=156282
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?threadid=156282
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And the U.S. is still currently one of the largest customers of Iraqi oil which greatly assists in buying these weapons. Which means that you to Frimost are helping to buy these weapons with the massive building up of oil reserves in salt caverns in several southern states.
All countries that have had any involvement corporately in this whole issue of past and present have skeletons in the closet. Pointing fingers at each other wont solve any problems.. only creates negative hysteria and hype.
Bad blood doesnt solve problems.. productive reasoning does.
All countries that have had any involvement corporately in this whole issue of past and present have skeletons in the closet. Pointing fingers at each other wont solve any problems.. only creates negative hysteria and hype.
Bad blood doesnt solve problems.. productive reasoning does.
Oh bull fucking shit, there is a HUUUUGGGEE difference between the misappropriation of lawfully sold oil funds and directly supplying your enemies with military armaments especially when there is a world-wise United nations ban on exporting weapons to the rogue state in question. Then take that into conjunction with the fact that we are about to go to war with the terrorist-sponsoring state and our boys may die at the hands of these weapons France is selling them, GIANT difference!!
You use the specious reasoning of “morale equivalency” brought to you by the contemporary empty-headed professors of modern day campuses. Its all a bunch of tangents that never connect, their “logic” is scribbling that leads nowhere and indicts everyone.
No, that is the bullshit version seeking to finagle France out of responsibility for directly supplying Saddam Hussein with French manufactured weapons. The made the shit, they sold it to him, they supplied and shipped it to him-they have all the control in the world over Saddam buying French weapons! Your tap-dancing around more then Geer in his court trail in Chicago, Razzle-Dazzle ‘em indeed! You attempt to rationalize away their illegal behavior is transparent here, what are you, their defense attorney?
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That's okay, because mine started March 8th, and besides that, it's about whether France is arrogant and ridiculous, and this one is about whether France is backstabbing — a totally different topic. There could be a few more, actually, about whether France is silly, whether France is irrelevant, whether France is a nation of empty-headed animal food-trough wipers whose mothers are hamsters and whose fathers smell of elderberries, and so on.Pyper said:
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Frimost said:
Your dick?
INTERNATIONAL ARMS SALES
USA tops the list
The USA is the country that sells most weapons, Israel being its main customer, according to a Congressional report released this week.
The report, “Conventional Arms Transfers to Developing Nations” had been undertaken at the request of the Congress Research Department, and indicates that the sale of weapons has decreased sharply in the last five years due to the economic downturn, the volume of sales reaching an eight-year low point in 2001.
The report’s findings are based upon sales and delivery contracts for consignments of weapons, which show for a certain period of time that the deliveries do not match the contracts. In this time period, there are around 16 bn. USD of registered sales contracts but only 14.4 bn. USD-worth of deliveries.
Globally, the USA sold around 26.4 bn. USD of arms in 2001, compared with 40 bn. USD the previous year. Developing nations continue to top the list of buyers.
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So when its not in your interest its wrong?
The US gouv sell arms to more people than any other nation.
Anyone trying to use another countries sales of arms in an argument while denying their own is an idiot.
I'm not denying that we sell arms to other nations you idiot. However, unlike FRANCE we sell to countries THAT DO NOT HAVE A FUCKING INTERNATIONAL ARMS EMBARGO AGAINST THEM! And we sell to other countries THAT ARE NOT ABOUT TO GO TO WAR WITH ONE OF OUR NATO ALLIES!
Spin, SPIN, SPIN it away, your propaganda does not hide France's malignant deceit and reckless disregard for the safety of their allies and the violation of UN charters & mandates!!!
Spin, SPIN, SPIN it away, your propaganda does not hide France's malignant deceit and reckless disregard for the safety of their allies and the violation of UN charters & mandates!!!
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Don't forget to blame the British, too.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,908426,00.html
Britain's dirty secret
David Leigh and John Hooper
Thursday March 6, 2003
The Guardian
A chemical plant which the US says is a key component in Iraq's chemical warfare arsenal was secretly built by Britain in 1985 behind the backs of the Americans, the Guardian can disclose.
Documents show British ministers knew at the time that the £14m plant, called Falluja 2, was likely to be used for mustard and nerve gas production.
Senior officials recorded in writing that Saddam Hussein was actively gassing his opponents and that there was a "strong possibility" that the chlorine plant was intended by the Iraqis to make mustard gas. At the time, Saddam was known to be gassing Iranian troops in their thousands in the Iran-Iraq war.
But ministers in the then Thatcher government none the less secretly gave financial backing to the British company involved, Uhde Ltd, through insurance guarantees.
Paul Channon, then trade minister, concealed the existence of the chlorine plant contract from the US administration, which was pressing for controls on such exports.
He also instructed the export credit guarantee department (ECGD) to keep details of the deal secret from the public.
The papers show that Mr Channon rejected a strong plea from a Foreign Office minister, Richard Luce, that the deal would ruin Britain's image in the world if news got out: "I consider it essential everything possible be done to oppose the proposed sale and to deny the company concerned ECGD cover".
The Ministry of Defence also weighed in, warning that it could be used to make chemical weapons.
But Mr Channon, in line with Mrs Thatcher's policy of propping up the dictator, said: "A ban would do our other trade prospects in Iraq no good".
The British taxpayer was even forced to write a compensation cheque for £300,000 to the German-owned company after final checks on the plant, completed in May 1990, were interrupted by the outbreak of the Gulf war.
The Falluja 2 chlorine plant, 50 miles outside Baghdad, near the Habbaniya airbase, has been pinpointed by the US as an example of a factory rebuilt by Saddam to regain his chemical warfare capability.
Last month it featured in Colin Powell's dossier of reasons why the world should go to war against Iraq, which was presented to the UN security council.
Spy satellite pictures of Falluja 2 identifying it as a chemical weapons site were earlier published by the CIA, and a report by Britain's joint intelligence committee, published with Tony Blair's imprimatur last September, also focused on Falluja 2 as a rebuilt plant "formerly associated with the chemical warfare programme".
UN weapons inspectors toured the Falluja 2 plant last December and Hans Blix, the chief inspector, reported to the security council that the chemical equipment there might have to be destroyed.
But until now, the secret of Britain's knowing role in Falluja's construction has remained hidden.
Last night, Uhde Ltd's parent company in Dortmund, Germany, issued a statement confirming that their then UK subsidiary had built Falluja 2 for Iraq's chemical weapons procurement agency, the State Enterprise for Pesticide Production.
A company spokesman said: "This was a normal plant for the production of chlorine and caustic soda. It could not produce other products".
The British government's intelligence at the time, as shown in the documents, was that Iraq, which was having increasing difficulty in obtaining precursor chemicals on the legitimate market, intended to use the chlorine as a feedstock to manufacture such chemicals as epichlorohydrin and phosphorous trichloride. These in turn were used to make mustard gas and nerve agents.
Paul Channon, since ennobled as Lord Kelvedon, was last night holidaying on the Caribbean island of Mustique. He issued a statement through his secretary, who said: "He can't object to the story. So he's got no comment."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,908426,00.html
Britain's dirty secret
David Leigh and John Hooper
Thursday March 6, 2003
The Guardian
A chemical plant which the US says is a key component in Iraq's chemical warfare arsenal was secretly built by Britain in 1985 behind the backs of the Americans, the Guardian can disclose.
Documents show British ministers knew at the time that the £14m plant, called Falluja 2, was likely to be used for mustard and nerve gas production.
Senior officials recorded in writing that Saddam Hussein was actively gassing his opponents and that there was a "strong possibility" that the chlorine plant was intended by the Iraqis to make mustard gas. At the time, Saddam was known to be gassing Iranian troops in their thousands in the Iran-Iraq war.
But ministers in the then Thatcher government none the less secretly gave financial backing to the British company involved, Uhde Ltd, through insurance guarantees.
Paul Channon, then trade minister, concealed the existence of the chlorine plant contract from the US administration, which was pressing for controls on such exports.
He also instructed the export credit guarantee department (ECGD) to keep details of the deal secret from the public.
The papers show that Mr Channon rejected a strong plea from a Foreign Office minister, Richard Luce, that the deal would ruin Britain's image in the world if news got out: "I consider it essential everything possible be done to oppose the proposed sale and to deny the company concerned ECGD cover".
The Ministry of Defence also weighed in, warning that it could be used to make chemical weapons.
But Mr Channon, in line with Mrs Thatcher's policy of propping up the dictator, said: "A ban would do our other trade prospects in Iraq no good".
The British taxpayer was even forced to write a compensation cheque for £300,000 to the German-owned company after final checks on the plant, completed in May 1990, were interrupted by the outbreak of the Gulf war.
The Falluja 2 chlorine plant, 50 miles outside Baghdad, near the Habbaniya airbase, has been pinpointed by the US as an example of a factory rebuilt by Saddam to regain his chemical warfare capability.
Last month it featured in Colin Powell's dossier of reasons why the world should go to war against Iraq, which was presented to the UN security council.
Spy satellite pictures of Falluja 2 identifying it as a chemical weapons site were earlier published by the CIA, and a report by Britain's joint intelligence committee, published with Tony Blair's imprimatur last September, also focused on Falluja 2 as a rebuilt plant "formerly associated with the chemical warfare programme".
UN weapons inspectors toured the Falluja 2 plant last December and Hans Blix, the chief inspector, reported to the security council that the chemical equipment there might have to be destroyed.
But until now, the secret of Britain's knowing role in Falluja's construction has remained hidden.
Last night, Uhde Ltd's parent company in Dortmund, Germany, issued a statement confirming that their then UK subsidiary had built Falluja 2 for Iraq's chemical weapons procurement agency, the State Enterprise for Pesticide Production.
A company spokesman said: "This was a normal plant for the production of chlorine and caustic soda. It could not produce other products".
The British government's intelligence at the time, as shown in the documents, was that Iraq, which was having increasing difficulty in obtaining precursor chemicals on the legitimate market, intended to use the chlorine as a feedstock to manufacture such chemicals as epichlorohydrin and phosphorous trichloride. These in turn were used to make mustard gas and nerve agents.
Paul Channon, since ennobled as Lord Kelvedon, was last night holidaying on the Caribbean island of Mustique. He issued a statement through his secretary, who said: "He can't object to the story. So he's got no comment."
