Baby boys named Mohammed in England?

[amicus]

It tickles my fancy to look ahead twenty years, more or less, and attempt to surmise what the status of Islam will be in England and Europe.

Mohammed was the most popular name for newborn baby boys in England and Wales in 2009, according to official data released on Wednesday.

Belgium … Mohamed #7

Bosnia-Herzegovina…. Ahmed, Muhamed..#8 & 9

France (2011, forecast, most popular double first names … Mohamed-Amine…#1

Food for thought, eh, geez, I wish Jack Bauer would come back and bash some more terrorists!

Amicus

 

[Stella_Omega]

You are such a sad and miserable man.

Perhaps a visual reminder of what love and happiness look like;
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2490495650_af9020c0c9_o.jpg

 

[amicus]

I Picture you as a shrunken old hippie chick confined to a wheelchair venting vitriol as your only source of interest. In that regard, I have sympathy for you and your condition and always rancorous commentary of no substance.

Perhaps some of our European Litsters might analyze the effect of a growing Muslim influence and project ahead into the future.

Amicus

 

[Stella_Omega]

You are welcome to any little fantasy that makes your existence a mite more pleasant, my dear.

http://bosomplumpers.com/free/hotbigboobs03/images/blackbusty07.jpg

( I'm only giving you hetero sexual images because I know that gay men make you spit up your pablum.)

 

[Tio_Narratore]

It tickles my fancy to look ahead twenty years, more or less, and attempt to surmise what the status of Islam will be in England and Europe.



Belgium … Mohamed #7

Bosnia-Herzegovina…. Ahmed, Muhamed..#8 & 9

France (2011, forecast, most popular double first names … Mohamed-Amine…#1

Food for thought, eh, geez, I wish Jack Bauer would come back and bash some more terrorists!

Amicus

Yes, it is a problem, Amicus. Reminds me of the time when names like John, George, and Philip became the most popular names in the Western Hemisphere north of the Rio Grande, and were borne by men who were quite happy to kill men, women, and children with different names and different religions...

 

[amicus]

]Yes, it is a problem, Amicus. Reminds me of the time when names like John, George, and Philip became the most popular names in the Western Hemisphere north of the Rio Grande, and were borne by men who were quite happy to kill men, women, and children with different names and different religions...[/[/I]QUOTE]

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The plagarize the much quoted Gory one; it is indeed an inconvenient truth when immigrants imported for labor because Euro's are too sophisticated to bear children, that Islam will become both the religion and the law of the land.

The Spanish scourge pretty much wiped out the indigenous population in South America and most of Central America even into the southwest, so when the white eyes finally arrived, most of the sanitizing was already done.

The Persians had their time in the sun millenia ago, a re-emergence of that kind of feudal thinking should be nipped in the bud...but oh, well, maybe that opportunity has passed you on by?

Amicus

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ami has his hate on, for sure.

 

[kromen]

You are welcome to any little fantasy that makes your existence a mite more pleasant, my dear.

http://bosomplumpers.com/free/hotbigboobs03/images/blackbusty07.jpg

( I'm only giving you hetero sexual images because I know that gay men make you spit up your pablum.)

I only click these links because I know Stella will provide.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

]Yes, it is a problem, Amicus. Reminds me of the time when names like John, George, and Philip became the most popular names in the Western Hemisphere north of the Rio Grande, and were borne by men who were quite happy to kill men, women, and children with different names and different religions...[/[/I]QUOTE]

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The plagarize the much quoted Gory one; it is indeed an inconvenient truth when immigrants imported for labor because Euro's are too sophisticated to bear children, that Islam will become both the religion and the law of the land.

The Spanish scourge pretty much wiped out the indigenous population in South America and most of Central America even into the southwest, so when the white eyes finally arrived, most of the sanitizing was already done.

The Persians had their time in the sun millenia ago, a re-emergence of that kind of feudal thinking should be nipped in the bud...but oh, well, maybe that opportunity has passed you on by?

Amicus

Yes, Amicus, the Spanish did in the south, even to the upper Rio Grande, but, I'm afraid, they were just as European and Christian as those you call white eyes. And the white eyesdid their job with relish. The John I was thinking of was John Sevier of Tennessee, noted "Indian Hater." George, of course, is Colonel Custer, and we wouldn't want to forget General Phil Sheridan, coiner of the phrase "the only good Indian is a dead Indian."

And I am well aware of other expansionist, genocidal empires in the history of the world; I've only used my own as a most appropriate example, since those who tyranized then seem so afraid to be tyranized themselves now.

It would seem, though, that you don't consider your fear to be an expression of feudal thinking, yet it seems to be a fear that some other culture, from far away places and bearing strange-sounding names, may make yours a vassal state. Why not make love instead, as Stella, that lovely wheel-chair bound polymorphic hippie pervert, so appropriately suggests, and create a new world out of yours and theirs and everyone else's?

 

[cloudy]

"I will follow the white man's trail.I will make him my friend, but I will not bend my back to his burdens. I will be cunning as a coyote.I will ask him to help me understand his ways, then I will prepare the way for my children, and their children. The Great Spirit has shown me - a day will come when they will outrun the white man in his own shoes." ~ Many Horses, Oglala Sioux Holy Man

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Cloudy wont be happy till her state is called ALABAMISTAN, and she's forced into a burka.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

AMICUS

Cloudy wont be happy till her state is called ALABAMISTAN, and she's forced into a burka.

So, JBJ, I see the content and meaning of what some else said has no effect on your response; truly, it appears you speak and listen only to the voices inside your own head.

 

[Handley_Page]

You are such a sad and miserable man.

Perhaps a visual reminder of what love and happiness look like;
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2490495650_af9020c0c9_o.jpg

I feel quite envious. . . .

 

[amicus]

I have sympathy for Cloudy's ancestral woes, especially since stone tools found in Virginia appear to be European...even moreso, it is now thought that Polynesians arrived in South and Central America before Cloudy's ancestors got here from Siberia....

Being part Cherokee myself, I always blame my nomadic nature on my Indian blood!

Banzai! oops, giddyup....

ami

 

[amicus]

Yes, Amicus, the Spanish did in the south, even to the upper Rio Grande, but, I'm afraid, they were just as European and Christian as those you call white eyes. And the white eyesdid their job with relish. The John I was thinking of was John Sevier of Tennessee, noted "Indian Hater." George, of course, is Colonel Custer, and we wouldn't want to forget General Phil Sheridan, coiner of the phrase "the only good Indian is a dead Indian."

And I am well aware of other expansionist, genocidal empires in the history of the world; I've only used my own as a most appropriate example, since those who tyranized then seem so afraid to be tyranized themselves now.

It would seem, though, that you don't consider your fear to be an expression of feudal thinking, yet it seems to be a fear that some other culture, from far away places and bearing strange-sounding names, may make yours a vassal state. Why not make love instead, as Stella, that lovely wheel-chair bound polymorphic hippie pervert, so appropriately suggests, and create a new world out of yours and theirs and everyone else's?[/QUOTE]

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The evolution of man has gone through many phases, with more yet to come. You can't really apply the terms expansionist genocidal to early tribal, hunter/gatherer man.

Man by his nature, that needed to survive in a hostile world, is aggressive and possessive by nature. The transition to an Agricultural and then to an Industrial society brought about evolutionary changes in the nature of man, we no longer cook our venison over a woodfire in a meadow somewhere.

Watching the election returns....another Republican Senator elected!

Amicus

 

[Tio_Narratore]

I have sympathy for Cloudy's ancestral woes, especially since stone tools found in Virginia appear to be European...even moreso, it is now thought that Polynesians arrived in South and Central America before Cloudy's ancestors got here from Siberia....

Being part Cherokee myself, I always blame my nomadic nature on my Indian blood!

Banzai! oops, giddyup....

ami

Sorry, Amicus, you're in my field now.

The whole Solutrean argument for Clovis started as a joke, then it got the proposers some recognition. The Euros have been trying to claim "prior occupancy" of the Americas since they first arrived. Felt guilty about stealing the land, I guess.

South America has PalaeoIndian sites from at least 14,000 years ago; Polynesia was settled between 600 and 1200 AD, long after SA was settled, and even after complex civilizations developed in the Andean Highlands.

And the Cherokee weren't nomads; they were sedentary farmers, descendants of the Caddoan branch of Mississippian cultures, though the men did travel far and wide at times for trade and political exchange.

 

[oggbashan]

Sorry, Amicus.

The most popular name for boys in the UK in 2009 was:

Oliver.

Og

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm not so sure you're right, unless you consider different spellings to be different names:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/NF2766774?thread=7843307

 

[English Lady]

I googled and found this from the Office for National Statistics. Looks like Og is right!

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=184

Not that that changes the tone of this post mind. Gees Louise, when are we going to figure out it's okay to live in harmony, eh? My child goes to an actively Church of England school and there are many muslims who go there and join in with the christmas plays etc. I line in a mostly Muslim area with a Mosque at the end of my street. I don't feel threatened by the lovely, neighbourly people I live with.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I googled and found this from the Office for National Statistics. Looks like Og is right!

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=184

Not that that changes the tone of this post mind. Gees Louise, when are we going to figure out it's okay to live in harmony, eh? My child goes to an actively Church of England school and there are many muslims who go there and join in with the christmas plays etc. I line in a mostly Muslim area with a Mosque at the end of my street. I don't feel threatened by the lovely, neighbourly people I live with.

I looked at the cluster of boys' names and I saw two different spellings of Mohammed. If there really are multiple spellings of the same name, and each one is counted in a separate group, the list leaves something to be desired. I wonder if they have a similar listing where they lump different versions of the same name together.

 

[amicus]

Sorry, Amicus, you're in my field now.

The whole Solutrean argument for Clovis started as a joke, then it got the proposers some recognition. The Euros have been trying to claim "prior occupancy" of the Americas since they first arrived. Felt guilty about stealing the land, I guess.

South America has PalaeoIndian sites from at least 14,000 years ago; Polynesia was settled between 600 and 1200 AD, long after SA was settled, and even after complex civilizations developed in the Andean Highlands.

And the Cherokee weren't nomads; they were sedentary farmers, descendants of the Caddoan branch of Mississippian cultures, though the men did travel far and wide at times for trade and political exchange.[/QUOTE]

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Hello, Tio, not being a scientist but just a student of the first to settle North America, as research for a series of books I am doing on the subject. first ran across the story of the Kennewick man who's remains were found in Washington State, said of be of European descent and long before Beringia and the land bridge from Siberia to Alaska.

The Solutrean theory is based on the similarity of stone tools found on the East Coast of the US to those found in Southern Europe and the postulation is that early Seal hunters followed the edge of the glaciers in small hide boats until they came upon land that is now the Grand Banks, and continued on to North America.

Clovis styled tools found in New Mexico and elsewhere, bear no resemblance to tools dated the same age in Siberia; a totally different concept of serrated blades embedded in wood or bone instead of the characteristic flaking of Clovis tools.

I would have to go back to the books for documentation, but early man, coming out of Africa, reached Asia and Indonesia and Australia, again, with sea levels some 300 feet lower than they are now, and a case is made that, that branch of humanity also used boats to populate Polynesia long before you suggest.

Stone tools discovered along the Western SA coast are found to be similar to those of a much earlier culture arising from the Indonesia area and dated long before the Berengia people migration.

The Mississippi Mound builders are subject to many interpretations but logic tells us that they evolved from a hunter/gatherer state to an agricultural one over time and I would suggest that all Cherokee were not agricultural minded, or if so, they faded from history during the same drought that swept the continent and changed the entire landscape, the date was about 6400 BCE.

It is a fascinating field of study...I wanted something 'sweet' to the palate for my tribe in the Willamette Valley of Oregon and discovered there were no fruit trees, no bees, thus no honey, so I settled for various kinds of Berries which are said to have flourished during the time period, ten thousand years ago.

Amicus

 

[Pure]

if i were you, amicus, instead of worrying about the muhammad's in britain, who'll never be a majority, i'd worry about the Jesus's in the US. for that group, hispanics, will certainly prevail.

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http://www.suite101.com/content/most-popular-latin-american-baby-names-for-boys-a293945

Top baby boy names in Mexico
The most popular Mexican baby boy names are:
Miguel Angel
Diego
Luis Angel
Santiago
Alejandro
Emiliano
Daniel
**Jesus
Leonardo
Eduardo(2008 list, National Institute of Statistics, Geography and Informatics (INEGI))

 

[amicus]

]I googled and found this from the Office for National Statistics. Looks like Og is right!

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=184

Not that that changes the tone of this post mind. Gees Louise, when are we going to figure out it's okay to live in harmony, eh? My child goes to an actively Church of England school and there are many muslims who go there and join in with the christmas plays etc. I line in a mostly Muslim area with a Mosque at the end of my street. I don't feel threatened by the lovely, neighbourly people I live with[/I].

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Hello, English Lady, I read through your Post earlier and decided not to respond...but for the past couple hours I have been watching a three part Military Channel series, "The Color of War", and I am once again filled with feelings concerning the British as they, all alone in the war at the time, managed to survive, and even keep a sense of humor now and then.

The largest and most consistent histories of man...have been the accounts of conquest and conflict, war, plunder and pillage; I doubt anyone the least bit aware of history will argue with that.

I know you have a religious belief, that is fine, but does not your religion give accounts of conflict after conflict?

It is in our genes to be a competitive species and over the centuries, man has tried to impose some rules on that competitive nature. That is why we have competitive sports and other contests, to give release to that sometimes very violent nature.

Why Oggbashan chooses to mislead, I have no idea, but the issue was headline news in the USA last week as a startling revelation of just how many new boy babies were being named a Muslim name. Counting all the various spellings of the name Mohammed, it is the name most given new born boys in both England and Wales, according to the articles I read...and I browsed several to confirm what I had heard.

Amicus

 

[oggbashan]

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Why Oggbashan chooses to mislead, I have no idea, but the issue was headline news in the USA last week as a startling revelation of just how many new boy babies were being named a Muslim name. Counting all the various spellings of the name Mohammed, it is the name most given new born boys in both England and Wales, according to the articles I read...and I browsed several to confirm what I had heard.

Amicus

Oliver - 7,364 occurences

Mohammed spelt three different ways - 3,300; 2,162 and 1,073 = 6,535

I'm still right and you are wrong.

If you add all names with Biblical references together then Mohammed and all other Muslim-themed names are nowhere. All the statistics prove is that Mohammed is the most popular Muslim name.

Og

 

[ishtat]

I have sympathy for Cloudy's ancestral woes, especially since stone tools found in Virginia appear to be European...even moreso, it is now thought that Polynesians arrived in South and Central America before Cloudy's ancestors got here from Siberia....


ami

The complete absence of either genetic or linguistic evidence to support your case would strongly support Tio's view as all the genetic evidence points to 100% origin of Native Americans from NE Asia.

Compare with Madagasgar for example where the population is almost entirely negroid in genetics but the language is obviously a close relation to Indonesian.

It can also be proved with radio carbon dating that Hawaii was first settled about 400 AD New Zealand about 1000 AD and Easter Island even later about 1200 AD. It seems fanciful to me to postulate that the west coast of America could have been populated thousands of years before these stopping off points were inhabited.