Baby becomes world's first to have gender marked ‘unknown'

[Chris_Michael]

Seriously? Do I need to say anything? We all know this is a Liberal agenda that these parents just forced onto their kid. Who the fuck knows what kind of damage this will do to them mentally? Kids have a hard enough time going through puberty, and this is just absurd.

Biology is real, motherfuckers. And when ANY person goes to a doctor (or pharmacist), the first series of questions is, "Sex? Age? Allergies? Height? Weight?" That's because the SEX MATTERS.

You may not think it does, but we actually do take that into account when considering medication and treatment. It is a big fucking deal.

This is just so fucking edgy and cool. "omg our baby can chose their sex." Remember the 90s-00s? Remember when gay people fought because they COULD NOT choose their sexuality? Well, you cannot choose your sex. Man, if you think Millennials are bad for each one getting a trophy, this new generation is going to be insane because they get to pick their own gender... and in the future, people are going to fight for free sex reassignment surgery.

Yahoo!News

An eight-month-old baby is possibly the first person in the world to have their gender marked as ‘unknown’ on their health card.

Searyl Atli’s gender has marked with a ‘U’ on her Canadian health card, standing for ‘undetermined’ or ‘unassigned’.

The baby’s parent, Kori Doty, does not identify as male or female and prefers to use the pronoun ‘they’, and wants to raise Searyl’s genderless until the baby has a “sense of self and command of vocabulary to tell me who they are”.

Doty wants to keep Searyl’s gender off of all official records until that day, according to CBC.

They said: “I’m recognising them as a baby and trying to give them all the love and support to be the most whole person that they can be outside of the restrictions that come with the boy box and the girl box.”

British Columbia (BC) has so far refused Doty’s request to have Searyl’s birth certificate issued without a gender marker.

Doty, along with the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal argue that the omission of gender should apply to all government documents for everyone in BC and Canada.

Provinces including Ontario are reviewing their policies and may include a non-bonar gender option on official documents in the future.

Doty believes that people who want to change their gender after in life have to go through a difficult process and instead wants a third option from birth.

They added: “When I was born, doctors looked at my genitals and made assumptions about who I would be, and those assignments followed me and followed my identification throughout my life.

“Those assumptions were incorrect, and I ended up having to do a lot of adjustments since then.”

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[phrodeau]

Let's be sure that the child gets to read your obscenity-laden opinion, and see how much damage that causes.

 

[AnAmericanDarling]

First off, this person Kori Doty has no business putting his/her gender issues on his/her newborn. The newborn does have a sex. This action is going to riddle the kid with problems in life, not to mention the tormenting he/she is going to have to put up with in school. If the baby has a penis, put down that he is a boy. If the baby has a vagina, put down that she is a girl. Simple as that. And, if later in the child's life, (when she's an adult), she wants to change sexes, allow her to do so.

 

[ElleryQueen]

An eight-month-old baby is possibly the first person in the world to have their gender marked as ‘unknown’ on their health card.

No, Yahoo!News. Look closely at that health card. It doesn't mark down the child's gender as "unknown," it marks down the child's sex as "unknown." The entire foundation of transgenderism itself is the sociological idea that gender and sex are two distinct elements of a person, and that as such a person's gender may not conform to its sex. The reason Millennial transgenders are getting such backlash is that they've lost sight of this fact that defines them, instead claiming the two elements are identical. This case proves it. And the fact that government officials aren't calling them on it, instead pandering to them, proves just how little they actually care about anything besides getting votes so they can keep their cushy jobs.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Let's be sure that the child gets to read your obscenity-laden opinion, and see how much damage that causes.

I sincerely apologize if my opinion hurts the kid's fee-fees. We don't live in a world where we cater to other people by being encouraging of stupidity. It's the parents' fault, not the opinion holder.

I'm fat. People think I'm unhealthy. It's not their fault that they know it's unhealthy for me to be fat. It's my responsibility to take care of my body. If people think I'm a fatass, I understand that they have good reason to believe what they think.

The kid is not "unknown sex." They are either male or female with a very small chance of having an abnormality of the genitals. If they do have an abnormality, should people have the opinion that it's normal so it doesn't hurt their feelings? No. It's abmormal.

You live in a fantasy world.

 

[Boxlicker101]

First off, this person Kori Doty has no business putting his/her gender issues on his/her newborn. The newborn does have a sex. This action is going to riddle the kid with problems in life, not to mention the tormenting he/she is going to have to put up with in school. If the baby has a penis, put down that he is a boy. If the baby has a vagina, put down that she is a girl. Simple as that. And, if later in the child's life, (when she's an adult), she wants to change sexes, allow her to do so.

That makes a lot of sense. So much that the PC types would never stand for it.

 

[KimGordon67]

It's actually more interesting that this upsets people so much. Why does it matter so much what genitals someone has? Personally, I find someone's taste in music or political inclinations FAR more significant in my interactions with them than their genitals - and those things are completely invisible too. I still cope.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Ridiculous.

 

[ChloeTzang]

It's actually more interesting that this upsets people so much. Why does it matter so much what genitals someone has? Personally, I find someone's taste in music or political inclinations FAR more significant in my interactions with them than their genitals - and those things are completely invisible too. I still cope.

All depends on the context doesn't it. Personally. I could care less what someone thinks they are but I won't share the washroom or changing rooms with someone with a dick, regardless of their hurt feelings. I compete in Tae Kwon Do competitions. I'm part-chinese and female and not exactly the biggest person around. Put me into a sparring competition with someone born with a dick and right up front, I'm totally physically outclassed and hey, I'm walking away from that one because its no longer a competition.

So all those years of feminism, of establishing a place for women in all sorts of endeavors, and in sports, all tossed out the window. The best woman around is never going to win in sporting competitions against someone born with a dick whose halfway competent. John McEnroe's comment about Serena Williams, that she would struggle against the top 700th male player s totally correct - male physiology gives men an overpowering advantage in anything physical. So up front you're throwing away women's sports and saying women are without any value.

Interesting attitude for someone who calls themselves a feminist.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's actually more interesting that this upsets people so much. Why does it matter so much what genitals someone has? Personally, I find someone's taste in music or political inclinations FAR more significant in my interactions with them than their genitals - and those things are completely invisible too. I still cope.

This is about an eight month old baby. He or she has not yet developed any taste in music or political any inclinations. Eventually, such things will probably be developed but, by that time, the young person will have become established as male or female, and this will almost certainly be based on genitalia. If not, the reason will be Mom's stupid meddling.

 

[Chris_Michael]

It's actually more interesting that this upsets people so much. Why does it matter so much what genitals someone has? Personally, I find someone's taste in music or political inclinations FAR more significant in my interactions with them than their genitals - and those things are completely invisible too. I still cope.

Genitals are not the only biological difference between a man and a woman. There are hormonal differences, which causes a different set of emotions, desires, and tendencies. Healthy men also have broad shoulders and an upside down triangle shape to their body whereas healthy women have a more hourglass type figure. There are exceptions, but that is the general rule especially when it comes to attraction.

 

[EternalFantasies]

This is child abuse, pure and simple.

 

[coachdb18]

How long now before some farsighted parents demand their kids be raised in a 'gender free zone'?

 

[KimGordon67]

This is about an eight month old baby. He or she has not yet developed any taste in music or political any inclinations. Eventually, such things will probably be developed but, by that time, the young person will have become established as male or female, and this will almost certainly be based on genitalia. If not, the reason will be Mom's stupid meddling.

8 month old babies also haven't developed gender yet (beyond how society shapes them) - you're confusing sex and gender.

 

[KimGordon67]

Genitals are not the only biological difference between a man and a woman. There are hormonal differences, which causes a different set of emotions, desires, and tendencies. Healthy men also have broad shoulders and an upside down triangle shape to their body whereas healthy women have a more hourglass type figure. There are exceptions, but that is the general rule especially when it comes to attraction.

This is ridiculously simplistic. Body shapes vary widely - you're talking about an ideal - and really, what possible different could body shape make to anything anyway? (And if it's about 'attraction', are you just completely ruling out people who are attracted to their own gender?) And hormonal differences vary widely within the 'male' and 'female' group as well. And the ways in which hormones may create the specificities you mention is monumentally magnified by society.

 

[KimGordon67]

All depends on the context doesn't it. Personally. I could care less what someone thinks they are but I won't share the washroom or changing rooms with someone with a dick, regardless of their hurt feelings. I compete in Tae Kwon Do competitions. I'm part-chinese and female and not exactly the biggest person around. Put me into a sparring competition with someone born with a dick and right up front, I'm totally physically outclassed and hey, I'm walking away from that one because its no longer a competition.

So all those years of feminism, of establishing a place for women in all sorts of endeavors, and in sports, all tossed out the window. The best woman around is never going to win in sporting competitions against someone born with a dick whose halfway competent. John McEnroe's comment about Serena Williams, that she would struggle against the top 700th male player s totally correct - male physiology gives men an overpowering advantage in anything physical. So up front you're throwing away women's sports and saying women are without any value.

Interesting attitude for someone who calls themselves a feminist.

To address each of these points in turn.
When I use a public toilet, there are individuals stalls. I have no idea genitals the person in the next stall has. In private homes, with the exception of my family, we have a pretty established set of social conventions to ensure we don't see each other genitals even if we share a toilet.
In clothes shops, there are individual stalls in the changing rooms. I have no idea what genitals the person in the next stall has. The only place I can think of where I do see the genitals of strangers is changing rooms at swimming pools - but even then, a lot of them have individual stalls.

Your argument seems to be that we should maintain the binary sex/gender system for the rest of eternity because sports? I'm not entirely sure that's a very sound basis for running society. I don't know much about sports, but surely there are other ways of addressing those issues. Isn't boxing, for instance, divided on the basis of weight? That would suggest that sex/gender doesn't have to be the only way you establish classes in sports.

If you can indicate exactly where I said women don't have any value, I'd be interested to know.

The feminism I adhere to allows for challenging of binary sex/gender systems - 'feminism' isn't a monolithic theoretical perspective.

 

[handysr]

This is child abuse, pure and simple.

Completely. This is another example of why some "people" should never breed. And those pictures are hideous.

8 month old babies also haven't developed gender yet (beyond how society shapes them) - you're confusing sex and gender.

No, the baby is either male or female. The baby simply hasn't been lied to for years in order to brainwash it to believe there are so many potential variations. It's not that hard to tell which is which. This poor baby is going to be fucked in the head before being given a fair chance at life.

The only positive is that the sucubis actually wanted the baby to be born! I mean, what a amazingly advanced feminist to not want to abort.

 

[KimGordon67]

Completely. This is another example of why some "people" should never breed. And those pictures are hideous.




No, the baby is either male or female. The baby simply hasn't been lied to for years in order to brainwash it to believe there are so many potential variations. It's not that hard to tell which is which. This poor baby is going to be fucked in the head before being given a fair chance at life.

The only positive is that the sucubis actually wanted the baby to be born! I mean, what a amazingly advanced feminist to not want to abort.

Male and female are sexes. They don't have inevitable outcomes in terms of gender. That's been case across cultures and throughout history. There is no absolute 'truth' to gender, hence you can't really 'lie' about it.

If you think this is child abuse, you've obviously led a pretty sheltered life.

And seriously - in what universe do you think feminists routinely abort children? Just because we fight to the right for abortions doesn't mean we don't want children. What kind of a screwed up view of the world is that. Pretty much every woman I know would identify as a feminist in some shape or form, and most of us have kids - some up to four of them.

What a lot of hate you have.

 

[ElleryQueen]

you're confusing sex and gender.

As is Kori, proven by that BCSC card. I don't see you harping on the so-called transgender.

In clothes shops, there are individual stalls in the changing rooms. I have no idea what genitals the person in the next stall has. The only place I can think of where I do see the genitals of strangers is changing rooms at swimming pools - but even then, a lot of them have individual stalls.

This whole part of your post is a generalization. I can easily counter these with my own experiences of changing rooms without stalls, as well as showers in locker rooms. The fact is the world was built on the male/female paradigm. Attempting to force the whole world to make concessions for a fringe minority would bankrupt too many such places. Remember: businesses can get away with code violations as long as they don't construct or deconstruct anything and inspectors aren't going to report them (which is getting easier now thanks to all the red tape halting inspections, as well as inspectors being sympathetic to economic hardships). If such changing rooms and locker rooms were to be updated to comply, most would also need to renovate almost the entire facility, something they've been putting off in the interest of either greed or low profits. And if the government mandates such a change, threatening to close them otherwise, they'll simply close their doors themselves, put the building up for sale, and make that the next owner's problem - assuming someone buys the property for a purpose the requires such facilities.

The feminism I adhere to allows for challenging of binary sex/gender systems

Now who's conflating sex and gender? The most anyone could possibly hope to challenge the binarism of sex is to argue it's actually ternary since intersex is a thing, but even that only exists due to the presence of both 0s and 1s in the genes. More simply: our genes are binary, therefore, our sex is binary. I'll concede your stance on non-binary gender, even if I find the entire concept a grand show of submission, but only so long as no one forces me or anybody else to conform to such a view.

And that's exactly the problem here: Kori has thrust a skewed view of transgenderism onto a child that is incapable of deciding for itself if it agrees with this view, and is attempting to defend this bit of grooming by citing "parent." Even if we want to argue "independent thought will develop," just walk around your home town and see how many people are blindly following the teachings of their parents. And then expand the journey, see this behavior in the world. The fact is only open-minded teachers can create open-minded students. Kori's already demonstrated close-mindedness, so the idea that this child is actually going to make an independently reasoned decision is already nearing impossible.

As for why this distinction between sex and gender and the binarism of sex are so paramount, besides the fact that they form the basis of transgenderism, is medicine. So far they've only talked about hormones, which works more for transitioning, and physiology, which seems to be going over your head. I'm going to talk about cancer. The fact is ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, fallopian tube cancer, testicular cancer, and penile cancer have all been documented in infants. Side effects of these present in ways that both men and women show similar or identical symptoms, and these symptoms also don't necessarily prove cancer. And without multiple visits, the rate of the tumor's growth is difficult to estimate, making time a factor. If the doctors cannot rule out certain diseases immediately, the tests take much longer to process simply because there's more to run. On top of that, running more tests means spending more money. The simplest way to handle this is to simply conform to the binarism of genes and genitals and let that reduce the possibilities. Kori is refusing this, instead demanding Canada's healthcare system suffer an unnecessarily larger burden and jeopardizing the health of the child so that this view of transgenderism is not challenged. Or perhaps Kori reneges and demands the doctor look at the genitals to make the possibilities smaller, thereby contradicting the motive for this entire fight and proving the necessity of one's binary sex being legally recognized.

 

[KimGordon67]

As is Kori, proven by that BCSC card. I don't see you harping on the so-called transgender.



This whole part of your post is a generalization. I can easily counter these with my own experiences of changing rooms without stalls, as well as showers in locker rooms. The fact is the world was built on the male/female paradigm. Attempting to force the whole world to make concessions for a fringe minority would bankrupt too many such places. Remember: businesses can get away with code violations as long as they don't construct or deconstruct anything and inspectors aren't going to report them (which is getting easier now thanks to all the red tape halting inspections, as well as inspectors being sympathetic to economic hardships). If such changing rooms and locker rooms were to be updated to comply, most would also need to renovate almost the entire facility, something they've been putting off in the interest of either greed or low profits. And if the government mandates such a change, threatening to close them otherwise, they'll simply close their doors themselves, put the building up for sale, and make that the next owner's problem - assuming someone buys the property for a purpose the requires such facilities.



Now who's conflating sex and gender? The most anyone could possibly hope to challenge the binarism of sex is to argue it's actually ternary since intersex is a thing, but even that only exists due to the presence of both 0s and 1s in the genes. More simply: our genes are binary, therefore, our sex is binary. I'll concede your stance on non-binary gender, even if I find the entire concept a grand show of submission, but only so long as no one forces me or anybody else to conform to such a view.

And that's exactly the problem here: Kori has thrust a skewed view of transgenderism onto a child that is incapable of deciding for itself if it agrees with this view, and is attempting to defend this bit of grooming by citing "parent." Even if we want to argue "independent thought will develop," just walk around your home town and see how many people are blindly following the teachings of their parents. And then expand the journey, see this behavior in the world. The fact is only open-minded teachers can create open-minded students. Kori's already demonstrated close-mindedness, so the idea that this child is actually going to make an independently reasoned decision is already nearing impossible.

As for why this distinction between sex and gender and the binarism of sex are so paramount, besides the fact that they form the basis of transgenderism, is medicine. So far they've only talked about hormones, which works more for transitioning, and physiology, which seems to be going over your head. I'm going to talk about cancer. The fact is ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, fallopian tube cancer, testicular cancer, and penile cancer have all been documented in infants. Side effects of these present in ways that both men and women show similar or identical symptoms, and these symptoms also don't necessarily prove cancer. And without multiple visits, the rate of the tumor's growth is difficult to estimate, making time a factor. If the doctors cannot rule out certain diseases immediately, the tests take much longer to process simply because there's more to run. On top of that, running more tests means spending more money. The simplest way to handle this is to simply conform to the binarism of genes and genitals and let that reduce the possibilities. Kori is refusing this, instead demanding Canada's healthcare system suffer an unnecessarily larger burden and jeopardizing the health of the child so that this view of transgenderism is not challenged. Or perhaps Kori reneges and demands the doctor look at the genitals to make the possibilities smaller, thereby contradicting the motive for this entire fight and proving the necessity of one's binary sex being legally recognized.

I seriously and honestly can only think of a few swimming pool changing rooms where my genitals are exposed to others. Every single other place where I need to get undressed, there are stalls. And even in most of those places, people seldom strip naked - unless you're actually trying ON underwear, you keep your underwear on. The trans people I know seem to manage with this just fine.

Using the term 'sex/gender' isn't conflating them. That's what the slash is for - to separate them.

It's quite possible to say 'this is a person with a uterus' without referring to them as female or a woman. If the baby has testicles, we just need to identify them as a person with testicles and the doctors can run whatever tests they feel the need to. Having said that, I've been the parent of a person with testicles for 12 years, and I've never known a doctor to feel the need to do anything like that. I've had a uterus for 50 years, and my tests have been pretty few and far between as well. I think you're over-dramatising things a bit there.

I don't think the parent in this instance is saying the child will never have a gender. I think what they're saying is that they'll let the child decide their own gender when they're able to do so. I don't really see why that's such a problem. It's not something I'd do myself (nor something I did), but I also don't find the prospect of someone else doing that an affront to me personally, or to society at large. I just don't understand what it creates such ire - really, it's that sort of reaction that creates most of the problems for people who have non-normative sexes/genders.

 

[handysr]

Male and female are sexes. They don't have inevitable outcomes in terms of gender. That's been case across cultures and throughout history. There is no absolute 'truth' to gender, hence you can't really 'lie' about it.

If you think this is child abuse, you've obviously led a pretty sheltered life.

And seriously - in what universe do you think feminists routinely abort children? Just because we fight to the right for abortions doesn't mean we don't want children. What kind of a screwed up view of the world is that. Pretty much every woman I know would identify as a feminist in some shape or form, and most of us have kids - some up to four of them.

What a lot of hate you have.

No, I don't have a lot of hate, I just have a low threshold for bullshit.

Now who's conflating sex and gender? The most anyone could possibly hope to challenge the binarism of sex is to argue it's actually ternary since intersex is a thing, but even that only exists due to the presence of both 0s and 1s in the genes. More simply: our genes are binary, therefore, our sex is binary. I'll concede your stance on non-binary gender, even if I find the entire concept a grand show of submission, but only so long as no one forces me or anybody else to conform to such a view.

I can go for this.

If you (liberal society) want me to believe that the whole "male / female" thing is fungible, open to interpretation and can be changed at will, then you are arguing with a brick wall. I'm fine with letting you believe that you're non-binary, an asexual 'none', or some combination - I will let you think that. I know people that truly believe they are unicorns and mermaids. That's fine, you be you.

What I refuse to let happen though, is for you to think that your thoughts take precedence over mine. Or that your beliefs should be touted as the one real truth, with the threat of legal punishment if I don't embrace and celebrate your thought process.

Go right ahead - tell me again how 'progressive' you are, saying I'm so stone-age relic because I base beliefs in science instead of pandering to the 0.05% of people who think different. Tell me that I'm an idiot for thinking there is a distinct (and permanent) difference between boys and girls. I don't care if that's what you think. But you (mostly) liberals should extend me the same courtesy though. Let me think what I want, but don't you dare complain when I push back while you try to legislate your deluded beliefs.

Otherwise, you liberals can wear the same 'bigot' label you throw around so freely.

 

[Chris_Michael]

How long until people identify as another race? OH WAIT!

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150612092018-rachel-dolezal-split-large-169.jpg

But the characteristics of race is so over-simplistic!

How long until older people identify as a young person? Like say, a man identifying as a toddler? OH WAIT!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/15/2F47E99A00000578-3356084-image-a-6_1449847692374.jpg

But age is really just a number!

 

[KimGordon67]

Gender isn't a scientific fact. Sex is more-so, although even then it's not as binary as people like to think. The only reason binary sex is a 'rule' is because everything that's an exception to that is cast as an 'abnormality'.

Be as conservative as you want. I don't have a problem with people believing whatever they want. But I do have a problem when those beliefs make the lives of other people difficult. How is anyone trying to 'legislate' for anything here that will cause you harm? It's about as stupid as saying legalising same-sex marriage will weaken the institution of marriage. I'm still just as married as I was before same-sex marriage was legalised here. Legislating for the availability of gender-neutral toilets won't negate my ability to piss in them - in fact, if all toilets were gender-neutral, I'd have MORE toilets to piss in and actually be better off!

Again, why is it that this raises such anger in people. How does ANY of this have a detrimental effect on your life?

No, I don't have a lot of hate, I just have a low threshold for bullshit.




I can go for this.

If you (liberal society) want me to believe that the whole "male / female" thing is fungible, open to interpretation and can be changed at will, then you are arguing with a brick wall. I'm fine with letting you believe that you're non-binary, an asexual 'none', or some combination - I will let you think that. I know people that truly believe they are unicorns and mermaids. That's fine, you be you.

What I refuse to let happen though, is for you to think that your thoughts take precedence over mine. Or that your beliefs should be touted as the one real truth, with the threat of legal punishment if I don't embrace and celebrate your thought process.

Go right ahead - tell me again how 'progressive' you are, saying I'm so stone-age relic because I base beliefs in science instead of pandering to the 0.05% of people who think different. Tell me that I'm an idiot for thinking there is a distinct (and permanent) difference between boys and girls. I don't care if that's what you think. But you (mostly) liberals should extend me the same courtesy though. Let me think what I want, but don't you dare complain when I push back while you try to legislate your deluded beliefs.

Otherwise, you liberals can wear the same 'bigot' label you throw around so freely.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Give one of these lunatics an inch and they'll take a mile. Once gay marriage was legalized, this shit happened.

1990s-2000s - WE CANNOT CHOSE OUR SEXUALITY

2017 - WE CAN CHOSE OUR GENDER AND IF YOU REFUSE TO FUCK ME, YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT! AND YOU'RE RACIST AND SEXIST.... AND A NAZI... WHITE SUPREMACIST.... AND YOU VOTED FOR TRUMP!

 

[handysr]

I don't think the parent in this instance is saying the child will never have a gender. I think what they're saying is that they'll let the child decide their own gender when they're able to do so. I don't really see why that's such a problem. It's not something I'd do myself (nor something I did), but I also don't find the prospect of someone else doing that an affront to me personally, or to society at large. I just don't understand what it creates such ire - really, it's that sort of reaction that creates most of the problems for people who have non-normative sexes/genders.

I also don't think the mom is saying her baby will never have a gender. Her styled mustache and 5:00 shadow says she has identity issues, which she will be now pushing onto her baby. Kids have enough identity issues as it is, and this will fuck the Kid's head up even more.

ETA: One thing this remind me of is how some 'modern' parenting advice says to let the child decide how to grow up. They tell their parents what to do, they decide what to wear and play with, what to study in their own homeschooling.
In Scotland recently, there was a vote to strike down a federal law that every child must have a state-sponsored advocate that was as involved in the child's life as the parent. In the US and U.K., schools and local governments are trying to increase the authority they have over the kids and keep the parents clueless. In many parts of the US, the school systems are trying to kill home schooling, like it is in Germany, so The State can control what they learn instead of letting the parents instill values.

The above is kind of a side rant, but there is a trend trying to happen. Governments and liberals seem to want to take away the parenting abilities of parents. Kids DO NOT know how to raise themselves in civilized society, and it's not their job, nor the job of society or governments.

The mom in this article is giving away some of her parental rights and responsibilities, and that's bad for the kid. I think the mom is crazy, but she should retain that role until she's proven unfit. Too bad though, in this case I think she is nutzo. The liberals disagree. The child pays the price.
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The problem here is that a tiny portion of the population has a problem, and people like you are trying to force me to believe and accept that their problems are not problems, but it's me that isn't being loving and accepting. And that my children must be taught that this problem is a good one to have, and to question their own body so the odd ones out feel welcome. What?!?

Also - specifically to you, KimGordon67. You haven't been an asshat to me, you're merely countering my beliefs with your own. I'm not yelling at you, so I hope you don't take it that way. I feel just as strongly about this as you seem to, but no, your "celebrate the diversity" speech won't sway me. I see you believing in this as compassion, but I see it as an assault in an effort to force me to change my thoughts to fit someone else's agenda. No.

How long until people identify as another race? OH WAIT!

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150612092018-rachel-dolezal-split-large-169.jpg

But the characteristics of race is so over-simplistic!

How long until older people identify as a young person? Like say, a man identifying as a toddler? OH WAIT!

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/15/2F47E99A00000578-3356084-image-a-6_1449847692374.jpg

But age is really just a number!

Give one of these lunatics an inch and they'll take a mile. Once gay marriage was legalized, this shit happened.

1990s-2000s - WE CANNOT CHOSE OUR SEXUALITY

2017 - WE CAN CHOSE OUR GENDER AND IF YOU REFUSE TO FUCK ME, YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT! AND YOU'RE RACIST AND SEXIST.... AND A NAZI... WHITE SUPREMACIST.... AND YOU VOTED FOR TRUMP!

It truly is a slippery slope. Once you change a definition that's been held for millennium in order to please one overly vocal minority groups' wish, you can't stop it at that. There are others to consider as well.

Why can't a white woman be black? She pulled it off for ages until the media caught wind of it and her old pictures came out.
Why can't we have a 4-way marriage? There are already court cases to recognize three-parent situations. If a man-man marriage wants a wife to give them a child, why not? Or five moms to help control the cost of living?
Many people already seem to be married to their video game consoles or computers, why not let them make it legal? Or to their farms? The koran says you can't eat any livestock you've de-virginized, so why not let people have goat brides? (That grossed me out to type)

That's the problem with opening up long-standing traditions to 'modern' ways of thinking. I may be a conservative, which is evil to liberals, but they shouldn't forget that there are others who make them look tame. Why should we give extra rights to one group while excluding the rest? Sounds like an -ist to me. Is it racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, speciesist, genderist? Why the hate?