Average people have no place in the workplace: didn't I warn you about this?

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And guess what is ALREADY happening with college grads: average college grads are losing out, too.

Only half of a population can ever be above average. Do you see where this is going?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/opinion/friedman-average-is-over.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Average Is Over
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: January 24, 2012

In an essay, entitled “Making It in America,” in the latest issue of The Atlantic, the author Adam Davidson relates a joke from cotton country about just how much a modern textile mill has been automated: The average mill has only two employees today, “a man and a dog. The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to keep the man away from the machines.”

Davidson’s article is one of a number of pieces that have recently appeared making the point that the reason we have such stubbornly high unemployment and sagging middle-class incomes today is largely because of the big drop in demand because of the Great Recession, but it is also because of the quantum advances in both globalization and the information technology revolution, which are more rapidly than ever replacing labor with machines or foreign workers.

In the past, workers with average skills, doing an average job, could earn an average lifestyle. But, today, average is officially over. Being average just won’t earn you what it used to. It can’t when so many more employers have so much more access to so much more above average cheap foreign labor, cheap robotics, cheap software, cheap automation and cheap genius. Therefore, everyone needs to find their extra — their unique value contribution that makes them stand out in whatever is their field of employment. Average is over.

Yes, new technology has been eating jobs forever, and always will. As they say, if horses could have voted, there never would have been cars. But there’s been an acceleration. As Davidson notes, “In the 10 years ending in 2009, [U.S.] factories shed workers so fast that they erased almost all the gains of the previous 70 years; roughly one out of every three manufacturing jobs — about 6 million in total — disappeared.”

And you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Last April, Annie Lowrey of Slate wrote about a start-up called “E la Carte” that is out to shrink the need for waiters and waitresses: The company “has produced a kind of souped-up iPad that lets you order and pay right at your table. The brainchild of a bunch of M.I.T. engineers, the nifty invention, known as the Presto, might be found at a restaurant near you soon. ... You select what you want to eat and add items to a cart. Depending on the restaurant’s preferences, the console could show you nutritional information, ingredients lists and photographs. You can make special requests, like ‘dressing on the side’ or ‘quintuple bacon.’ When you’re done, the order zings over to the kitchen, and the Presto tells you how long it will take for your items to come out. ... Bored with your companions? Play games on the machine. When you’re through with your meal, you pay on the console, splitting the bill item by item if you wish and paying however you want. And you can have your receipt e-mailed to you. ... Each console goes for $100 per month. If a restaurant serves meals eight hours a day, seven days a week, it works out to 42 cents per hour per table — making the Presto cheaper than even the very cheapest waiter.”

What the iPad won’t do in an above average way a Chinese worker will. Consider this paragraph from Sunday’s terrific article in The Times by Charles Duhigg and Keith Bradsher about why Apple does so much of its manufacturing in China: “Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly-line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the [Chinese] plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. ‘The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,’ the executive said. ‘There’s no American plant that can match that.’ ”

And automation is not just coming to manufacturing, explains Curtis Carlson, the chief executive of SRI International, a Silicon Valley idea lab that invented the Apple iPhone program known as Siri, the digital personal assistant. “Siri is the beginning of a huge transformation in how we interact with banks, insurance companies, retail stores, health care providers, information retrieval services and product services.”

There will always be change — new jobs, new products, new services. But the one thing we know for sure is that with each advance in globalization and the I.T. revolution, the best jobs will require workers to have more and better education to make themselves above average. Here are the latest unemployment rates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics for Americans over 25 years old: those with less than a high school degree, 13.8 percent; those with a high school degree and no college, 8.7 percent; those with some college or associate degree, 7.7 percent; and those with bachelor’s degree or higher, 4.1 percent.

In a world where average is officially over, there are many things we need to do to buttress employment, but nothing would be more important than passing some kind of G.I. Bill for the 21st century that ensures that every American has access to post-high school education.
 
Someone needs to let the air out of that fat mustached fuck.

I'd like to make him drive a forklift in a frozen food warehouse for a day, or tie rebar, or empty bedpans.
 
In reality talent is discriminated against and management luvs mediocre no-talents below them on the ladder. Job security. Its the chief reason most corporations fail.
 
Someone needs to let the air out of that fat mustached fuck.

I'd like to make him drive a forklift in a frozen food warehouse for a day, or tie rebar, or empty bedpans.
He thinks that will all be automated.

Do the math, Rosco.

In any population only half can ever be above average.
Automate or outsource all the average people jobs.
No welfare or support for those who lose their jobs as a result.

Add it up. What does this mean?
 
He thinks that will all be automated.

Do the math, Rosco.

In any population only half can ever be above average.
Automate or outsource all the average people jobs.
No welfare or support for those who lose their jobs as a result.

Add it up. What does this mean?

Have you read the free Lights in the Tunnel e-book yet?

This is the first step to the post-capitalist economy. (ie what happens when no one has any money to buy anything because they've all been replaced by droids).
 
He thinks that will all be automated.

Do the math, Rosco.

In any population only half can ever be above average.
Automate or outsource all the average people jobs.
No welfare or support for those who lose their jobs as a result.

Add it up. What does this mean?

LT is wrong of course. God doesnt stuff the same prize in every bag of Cracker Jack. In fact, most people are a virtual Santas sack of prizes, some first rate and some of lesser value. Maybe LT kisses ass better than anyone or his butt is cleaner.
 
thank God you don't have a work place. if you did, how long before you would go postal on everyone?




And guess what is ALREADY happening with college grads: average college grads are losing out, too.

Only half of a population can ever be above average. Do you see where this is going?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/opinion/friedman-average-is-over.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

OP-ED COLUMNIST
Average Is Over
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: January 24, 2012

In an essay, entitled “Making It in America,” in the latest issue of The Atlantic, the author Adam Davidson relates a joke from cotton country about just how much a modern textile mill has been automated: The average mill has only two employees today, “a man and a dog. The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to keep the man away from the machines.”

Davidson’s article is one of a number of pieces that have recently appeared making the point that the reason we have such stubbornly high unemployment and sagging middle-class incomes today is largely because of the big drop in demand because of the Great Recession, but it is also because of the quantum advances in both globalization and the information technology revolution, which are more rapidly than ever replacing labor with machines or foreign workers.

In the past, workers with average skills, doing an average job, could earn an average lifestyle. But, today, average is officially over. Being average just won’t earn you what it used to. It can’t when so many more employers have so much more access to so much more above average cheap foreign labor, cheap robotics, cheap software, cheap automation and cheap genius. Therefore, everyone needs to find their extra — their unique value contribution that makes them stand out in whatever is their field of employment. Average is over.

Yes, new technology has been eating jobs forever, and always will. As they say, if horses could have voted, there never would have been cars. But there’s been an acceleration. As Davidson notes, “In the 10 years ending in 2009, [U.S.] factories shed workers so fast that they erased almost all the gains of the previous 70 years; roughly one out of every three manufacturing jobs — about 6 million in total — disappeared.”

And you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Last April, Annie Lowrey of Slate wrote about a start-up called “E la Carte” that is out to shrink the need for waiters and waitresses: The company “has produced a kind of souped-up iPad that lets you order and pay right at your table. The brainchild of a bunch of M.I.T. engineers, the nifty invention, known as the Presto, might be found at a restaurant near you soon. ... You select what you want to eat and add items to a cart. Depending on the restaurant’s preferences, the console could show you nutritional information, ingredients lists and photographs. You can make special requests, like ‘dressing on the side’ or ‘quintuple bacon.’ When you’re done, the order zings over to the kitchen, and the Presto tells you how long it will take for your items to come out. ... Bored with your companions? Play games on the machine. When you’re through with your meal, you pay on the console, splitting the bill item by item if you wish and paying however you want. And you can have your receipt e-mailed to you. ... Each console goes for $100 per month. If a restaurant serves meals eight hours a day, seven days a week, it works out to 42 cents per hour per table — making the Presto cheaper than even the very cheapest waiter.”

What the iPad won’t do in an above average way a Chinese worker will. Consider this paragraph from Sunday’s terrific article in The Times by Charles Duhigg and Keith Bradsher about why Apple does so much of its manufacturing in China: “Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly-line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the [Chinese] plant near midnight. A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day. ‘The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,’ the executive said. ‘There’s no American plant that can match that.’ ”

And automation is not just coming to manufacturing, explains Curtis Carlson, the chief executive of SRI International, a Silicon Valley idea lab that invented the Apple iPhone program known as Siri, the digital personal assistant. “Siri is the beginning of a huge transformation in how we interact with banks, insurance companies, retail stores, health care providers, information retrieval services and product services.”

There will always be change — new jobs, new products, new services. But the one thing we know for sure is that with each advance in globalization and the I.T. revolution, the best jobs will require workers to have more and better education to make themselves above average. Here are the latest unemployment rates from the Bureau of Labor Statistics for Americans over 25 years old: those with less than a high school degree, 13.8 percent; those with a high school degree and no college, 8.7 percent; those with some college or associate degree, 7.7 percent; and those with bachelor’s degree or higher, 4.1 percent.

In a world where average is officially over, there are many things we need to do to buttress employment, but nothing would be more important than passing some kind of G.I. Bill for the 21st century that ensures that every American has access to post-high school education.
 
I say a better way of putting it is that there no longer is much of a premium on *doing* anything, save for extremely technical things. To make real money, you need to be paid for intangibles such as the way you think, ideas, reading people, etc. these things cannot be automated and can't be outsourced. This is what I tell my nieces and nephews - if you learn how to "do" something for a living, it better be the sort of thing that is highly technical or difficult. If it isnt, don't bother.
 
I say a better way of putting it is that there no longer is much of a premium on *doing* anything, save for extremely technical things. To make real money, you need to be paid for intangibles such as the way you think, ideas, reading people, etc. these things cannot be automated and can't be outsourced. This is what I tell my nieces and nephews - if you learn how to "do" something for a living, it better be the sort of thing that is highly technical or difficult. If it isnt, don't bother.

Highly technical and difficult tasks are easily done by machines. What isnt easy to duplicate are innovation and creativity. Each requires a mind thats comfortable with lotsa unpleasant thought.
 
He thinks that will all be automated.

Do the math, Rosco.

In any population only half can ever be above average.
Automate or outsource all the average people jobs.
No welfare or support for those who lose their jobs as a result.

Add it up. What does this mean?

It means our country is in grave trouble. Yet, nobody really cares as evidenced by the comments even here in this thread.
 
Whats that saying?

"If horses could have voted, they would have voted down the car"

Its called progress, we will adapt.
 
It means our country is in grave trouble. Yet, nobody really cares as evidenced by the comments even here in this thread.

No. It means our world is in grave trouble. Half of us care and are working on various solutions and the other half are screaming there is no solution and we might as well start working on starving to death.
 
Have you read the free Lights in the Tunnel e-book yet?

This is the first step to the post-capitalist economy. (ie what happens when no one has any money to buy anything because they've all been replaced by droids).
Haven't gotten around to it yet. I already know what these things will lead to - it'll lead to an explosion in unemployment and a mass culling of the US population, then that of the entire world.

It'll be a culling done by deprivation and negligence instead of the old Nazi way of doing things.
 
I say a better way of putting it is that there no longer is much of a premium on *doing* anything, save for extremely technical things. To make real money, you need to be paid for intangibles such as the way you think, ideas, reading people, etc. these things cannot be automated and can't be outsourced. This is what I tell my nieces and nephews - if you learn how to "do" something for a living, it better be the sort of thing that is highly technical or difficult. If it isnt, don't bother.
There will never be much demand for that kind of work. 99% of all ideas fail. Even greater percentages of inventions fail.

In a matured knowledge-based economy, no more than 5% of the population will have jobs and no more than 1% will have living wage-level jobs.
 
There will never be much demand for that kind of work. 99% of all ideas fail. Even greater percentages of inventions fail.

In a matured knowledge-based economy, no more than 5% of the population will have jobs and no more than 1% will have living wage-level jobs.

Well, you just didn't get my post at all. I make money based upon what I am talking about, despite the fact I most certainly am not an "idea" person.
 
Wow, you just didn't get my post at all. I make money based upon what I am talking about, despite the fact I most certainly am not an "idea" person.
Apparently you didn't read what I said.

I said in a matured knowledge-based economy, only 5% of people will have jobs. This economy we're in now is not a matured knowledge-based economy. People below that 5% can still find work until this economy evolves further. Whether you're in the 5% of below it, your condition fits what I said.
 
There will never be much demand for that kind of work. 99% of all ideas fail. Even greater percentages of inventions fail.

In a matured knowledge-based economy, no more than 5% of the population will have jobs and no more than 1% will have living wage-level jobs.

I'd love to see some of the math on your doomsaying. Don't get me wrong. I agree the number or people with jobs will continually shrink, there isn't much to do about that but I'm curious how you got these numbers. Particularly considering we pay people to throw balls through hoops and presumably people with more free time will pay for MORE of this not less.
 
Apparently you didn't read what I said.

I said in a matured knowledge-based economy, only 5% of people will have jobs. This economy we're in now is not a matured knowledge-based economy. People below that 5% can still find work until this economy evolves further. Whether you're in the 5% of below it, your condition fits what I said.

I think we are having two different conversations.
 
I'd love to see some of the math on your doomsaying. Don't get me wrong. I agree the number or people with jobs will continually shrink, there isn't much to do about that but I'm curious how you got these numbers. Particularly considering we pay people to throw balls through hoops and presumably people with more free time will pay for MORE of this not less.
It's a hunch. Like when I said 56 million people voted for McCain and would be back to get revenge, and the housing market was way overpriced.

It's instinct, man. No knowledge-based work has ever produced a glut of living wage jobs like manufacturing has. You need jobs that average Americans can do and knowledge-based work is by definition above average. I've been there, I've done it, I know.

A lot of knowledge-based work is adversarial. You have to out-convince the other person to buy your stuff or service. Otherwise they'd just go without and save their money like the Japanese do. To excel at this you have to be smarter than the other guy and that cuts out at least 50% of the populace right there.

Knowledge-based work is always at the narrow, top-end of the work pyramid. Always. Right up there with athletes and entertainers.
 
It's a hunch. Like when I said 56 million people voted for McCain and would be back to get revenge, and the housing market was way overpriced.

It's instinct, man. No knowledge-based work has ever produced a glut of living wage jobs like manufacturing has. You need jobs that average Americans can do and knowledge-based work is by definition above average. I've been there, I've done it, I know.

A lot of knowledge-based work is adversarial. You have to out-convince the other person to buy your stuff or service. Otherwise they'd just go without and save their money like the Japanese do. To excel at this you have to be smarter than the other guy and that cuts out at least 50% of the populace right there.

Knowledge-based work is always at the narrow, top-end of the work pyramid. Always. Right up there with athletes and entertainers.

So you kinda pulled a number out of your ass?

I say that again not debating that no knowledged-based work has or realistically can produce a glut of jobs in the same way that manufaturing can. That simple numbers that you only need one designer and hundreds of monkeys making the damn thing.

However if that is the only thing your gut is telling you I'd say you might be a bit optomistic. Today the top 1% aren't made up by inventors and thinkers. Almost half of them are simply born too it. When you factor in that entertainers also fill in that top bracket unless you are agreeing with me that someday there won't be a lot Will Smiths making 60 million a year but there will be a a lot of people making 50k a year to do if not movies, play basketball, tell jokes, what not then I think your number might be a bit high.

I mean you also don't seem to be factoring in (or maybe you are) but higher end jobs are higher end because less people are qualified to do them. Programmers wouldn't make 100k a year if 300 million Americans could program as easily as they stock shelves or work cashiers.

Any estimate on how long it takes to get to this situation anyway?
 
So you kinda pulled a number out of your ass?
Ayup, I did.

I say that again not debating that no knowledged-based work has or realistically can produce a glut of jobs in the same way that manufaturing can. That simple numbers that you only need one designer and hundreds of monkeys making the damn thing.
So you're saying the knowledge industry, in a more mature state than it is at present, would need fewer workers than I am projecting?

However if that is the only thing your gut is telling you I'd say you might be a bit optomistic. Today the top 1% aren't made up by inventors and thinkers. Almost half of them are simply born too it. When you factor in that entertainers also fill in that top bracket unless you are agreeing with me that someday there won't be a lot Will Smiths making 60 million a year but there will be a a lot of people making 50k a year to do if not movies, play basketball, tell jokes, what not then I think your number might be a bit high.
It may well be a bit high. I was being optimistic, not alarmist.

I mean you also don't seem to be factoring in (or maybe you are) but higher end jobs are higher end because less people are qualified to do them. Programmers wouldn't make 100k a year if 300 million Americans could program as easily as they stock shelves or work cashiers.
I am very much factoring that in. I was trying to be optimistic and not over-dramatic, but if your point is there will be fewer jobs than I'm saying there will be in the knowledge industry... yes, you are quite right.

Any estimate on how long it takes to get to this situation anyway?
Hard to pin a precise number on that one. I'm thinking about 40 years tops.
 
We already have a GI Bill for people. It's called the GI Bill.

One small failure there, as wonderful as that GI Bill is for people of our ilk, - it does not apply to those of the general civilian populace. Which I totally agree with. And this is taking into account the dependents of those veterans the GI Bill was extended to.

I have benefited greatly from the Veterans Readjustment Benefits Act of 1966, and then again from the Readjustments Assistance Act of 1972. I also benefited from the VEAP(when active duty 2 to 1 for every dollar they contributed) and MGIB combo (Democratic Congress approved) that passed in 1985, as I was fortunate enough to be active duty during the transitions of such bills in the 80s. Both worked to my favor over time.
 
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