Author's Opinion: Non-Consent/Reluctance stories

[msboy8]

Hello all,
I tend to get into my chacters heads when I write. One of the stories I'm working on is a non-consent/reluctance. I feel that Non-consent can turn to reluctance and reluctance can turn to consent. But if the person is not playacting, then a person doing a 180 degree chane in attitude in a few minutes is not realistic, to me. Also, if a person is play-acting then would it really be non-consent? I would like to hear opinions on this subject, thanks. msboy8

 

[NoJo]

Check out This Thread and others recently posted here.

My opinion is that as your charcters are fictional, it only weakens the story to make those fictional charcters play act, unless you're trying to make a point in your story about how people behave in role-play.

 

[msboy8]

Check out This Thread and others recently posted here.

My opinion is that as your charcters are fictional, it only weakens the story to make those fictional charcters play act, unless you're trying to make a point in your story about how people behave in role-play.

Thanks Sub Joe, I posted on that other thread. My question here deals more with what most characters would do in certain situations.

True these are fictional characters, but they must have some basis in reality so readers can identify with them. Otherwise the story might be too far-fetched.

 

[NoJo]

Thanks Sub Joe, I posted on that other thread. My question here deals more with what most characters would do in certain situations.

True these are fictional characters, but they must have some basis in reality so readers can identify with them. Otherwise the story might be too far-fetched.

I don't know what you mean about "most characters." , smboy. Surely can make their behaviour as outre as you want, you're God, -- the author. Just make sure your charcters act in character.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I don't know what you mean about "most characters." , smboy. Surely can make their behaviour as outre as you want, you're God, -- the author. Just make sure your charcters act in character.

I think that an ideal way to put it. It's not so much consistancy with the world as we know it that makes a character work as it is an internal consistancy in which the character's motivations and personality come across as coherent and understandable. A character can be powerful and intrigiuing without being realistic in the sense of everyday life. I know that I beat the drum of Symbolist literature a fair bit, but I do believe in it, and I believe that characters can be wonderful when freed of reality and allowed to become pure symbol, type, or image. Perhaps that's soaring a bit high for erotica, but I think the tenets hold true. It's not necessary that the character do what the milkman would have in his case; rather, it's important that the character move the reader powerfully and integrate him/herself into significant, interesting, and effective action.

Shanglan

(P.S. - Joe, stop being brilliant or I shall have to start stalking you. Just a fair warning.)

 

[NoJo]

What does dreaming of being trampled by a horse mean?

 

[msboy8]

I don't know what you mean about "most characters." , smboy. Surely can make their behaviour as outre as you want, you're God, -- the author. Just make sure your charcters act in character.

A good point Sub Joe. I suppose I meant most people, but then again I cant figure out why I do some things, never mind others, haha.

 

[BlackShanglan]

A good point Sub Joe. I suppose I meant most people, but then again I cant figure out why I do some things, never mind others, haha.

*nods* And one of the great pleasures of fiction is communicating a character's motives to the reader when the character doesn't understand them. That sort of nuance is a real joy to read.

Joe - clearly a desire for close physical contact in a subordinate physical position. I'll be happy to demonstrate.

Shanglan

 

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[dr_mabeuse]

What does dreaming of being trampled by a horse mean?

I do a lot of reluctance and non-consent. I love the drama of the change from no to yes.

The thing you have to realize is that there's no, and then there's NO! There are a lot of reasons a woman might say no to a man (most of my reluctant characters are women) while still wanting to have sex with him, and that's usually where I operate. My characters tend to be highly sexual but inhibited or, well, reluctant for one reason or another, but they're overwhelmed by the man's desire for them and they not only give in, but they become rather enthusiastic participants. I find that moment when desire overcomes rationality to be terrifically erotic.

If the woman really means no, then it just won't work for me. That's just rape, and I don't care for rape.

---Zoot

 

[KarenAM]

I have two broad views on this. The first is much what Dr. M. said, which is not so much a non-consent issue as it is an overcoming of inhibitions issue. That's how I treated things in my BDSM romance, Coming Home. Such stories are based on seduction, and seduction is sexy.

In the second, I'm looking for the drama inherent in non-consent. In my science fiction stories, pleasure is literally forced, and it is out of the control of my characters. It is used to manipulate them, and it forces them to evaluate their own humanity and their own morality. What is most interesting to me are the repercussions of all this, the drama in how the characters cope and how they grow. This is why Finding Words is my favorite of those stories posted here.

And yes, these too are blatant plugs. But used with sufficent lubricant, plugs are fine, right?

 

[msboy8]

Thank you all for your views. I have finished my Non-Consent/Reluctance story and it's at my editor now.

 

[angela146]

There are times when true non-consent can be reversed relatively quickly.

A gentle touch on the side of the neck, a whispered thought, a whiff of perfume or any number of things can be a trigger that incites a change of heart.

If one of your characters is a skilled lover, he/she might be able to gain consent in a matter of seconds from someone who just did not want to have sex at all.

 

[wishfulthinking]

When it comes to non-consent, there is nothing worse than

* this man snuck into the house while I was playing with myself in bed, and then I was suprised, and when s/he turned the lights on it was my boy/girlfriend

*this person attacked and forced me, and when we both came we laughed tenderly at our amusing little role-playing

Puurlllease!