Aussie court allows girl, 13, to become boy

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Aussie court allows girl, 13, to become boy

THURSDAY , 15 APRIL 2004

By DEBORAH GOUGH
The Family Court has allowed a 13-year-old girl to begin treatment to become a boy.
Chief Justice Alastair Nicholson, in a landmark judgement, described testimony that painted the picture of a child who had lived as a boy from a young age, shunning dresses and dolls for tanks and swords.

The child's primary school principal told Justice Nicholson that the child had worn nappies rather than use the girls' toilets. "When he went on camp, for the grade 6 camp, (he) did Indian arm wrestles with all the boys and, of course, beat everybody," the principal told the Family Court.

The child joined the cricket team and refused to line up with girls at school assemblies.

The judge has agreed to allow the girl to take oestrogen and progestogen and, at 16 years, testosterone. The testosterone will have irreversible effects on the child's voice, facial and body hair and promote muscular development and an enlarged clitoris. She would not be eligible for surgery until she was 18 years old.

The girl is known to the court as "Alex" and is referred to as "he" by Justice Nicholson throughout his judgement.

Normally, even with parental consent, people under 18 cannot have medical intervention that may reduce their capacity to reproduce unless there is court involvement.

Alex cannot be identified. She is estranged from her mother, lives with her aunt and migrated to Australia after her father's death.

She is under the guardianship of a government department, which brought the case to court with the support of her aunt and school after Alex started to develop suicidal and self-harm tendencies when she entered puberty. The court could not contact her mother.

"The evidence speaks with one voice as to the distress that Alex is genuinely suffering in a body which feels alien to him and disgusts him, particularly due to menstruation," Justice Nicholson said.

"It is also consistent as to his unwavering and profound wish to present as the male he feels himself to be."

Chief Justice Nicholson discounted the possibility that Alex was emerging as a lesbian after evidence from expert psychiatric witnesses.

The judge also allowed that Alex could change her name on her birth certificate to the boy's name. He criticised New South Wales, Northern Territory, the Australian Capital Territory, Tasmania and Queensland, which require surgery before the sex on a birth certificate can be changed. Victoria is drafting similar laws.

Consultant ethicist Nicholas Tonti-Filippini questioned the Family Court's right to hear the case and called on federal and state attorneys-general to review the case and take it to a higher court.

Dr Tonti-Filippini said his views on gender reassignment had hardened after recent controversy in which a woman complained she had been persuaded by doctors to take treatment to become a man. She later realised she would rather be a woman.

He said Johns Hopkins University in the US had also stopped work on gender reassignments for all patients. He said doctors were using hormone therapy to treat a mental illness. "The girl won't become a man and what's being obliterated won't be replaced," he said.

TransGender Victoria co-convener Lauren Christopher applauded the decision, saying that adolescence was the worst time for transgender people committing suicide.

But Alan Finch, spokesman for the Gender Identity Awareness Association, questioned whether Alex was aware that some people treated her problem as a psychological one rather than with medical intervention.

"She is much, much too young to make this decision," Mr Finch said.

- with Liz Gooch
 
Wow! That is sooooooo awesome, imagine how easily she will be able to integrate into society by starting at such a young age. There are many benefits to starting Testosterone at such a young age, include penis size (clit enlargement through hormones)
 
That's cool that the Australian court has allowed her to do that at such a young age, but that does seem pretty risky. Hopefully she won't be hurt by it. (I don't know much about the process and any possible side effects.) That really sucks that she's estranged from her mother and her father is dead. Poor girl (guy) seems to have had a really tough life. Hopefully they'll stay updated on the issue.
 
I think there are different degrees to which things can be hard-wired into us. There are some people who realize they are queer at age 50 and others who know it at 13. It sounds to me like this young dude is really clearly just that and it's not likely to me that a gender identification so strong so young would be a passing fancy.
 
Netzach said:
I think there are different degrees to which things can be hard-wired into us. There are some people who realize they are queer at age 50 and others who know it at 13. It sounds to me like this young dude is really clearly just that and it's not likely to me that a gender identification so strong so young would be a passing fancy.

I soooo know what you are saying... I knew before I even started kindergarten.....
 
IMO sexuality is a spectrum and I don't think that just because a girl likes to play with 'masculine' toys and so forth that it necessarily means they're a transexual. They may just be a tomboy.

In any case, I think 13 is much too young for any major life choice or medical intervention.
 
I think wearing diapers rather than using the girls' bathroom is a pretty strong characterization - tomboys don't generally take it that far.

I remember hearing about a similar case, I think in the U.S., not long ago. There was a lot of questioning of whether or not the child was old enough, and whether or not puberty would be affected by the transition. I don't remember if that case was MTF or FTM.
 
Etoile said:
I think wearing diapers rather than using the girls' bathroom is a pretty strong characterization - tomboys don't generally take it that far.

I remember hearing about a similar case, I think in the U.S., not long ago. There was a lot of questioning of whether or not the child was old enough, and whether or not puberty would be affected by the transition. I don't remember if that case was MTF or FTM.

A fairly recent case concerning this question was with a boy (FtM) called Kade. There is a documentary called "Call Me Kade" out there floating around, I saw it on a news show. Or snippets of it. He's 16 now and has just started Testosterone. He has had a mastectomy already which suprises me but then again as long as the doctors are following the Harry Benjamin standards of care then I suppose they know what they are doing.

If anyone wants to see these standards of care (guidelines for trans patients) let me know and I will dig them up.
 
forgive me, because I really know very little about this process... actually the extent of what I know I've read on your posts Dusty and from my physiological psych. class...

Is it safe for someone so young to make such a decision? What if he gets older and realizes he's made a mistake? Do you really understand the whole of what you're doing at 13? If I had to make such a life altering decision at that age I'm almost sure regret it now 10 yrs. later.


I wish him the best. It must be very difficult to be so young and so unhappy.
 
I think I just realized why he's going to be taking estrogen for the next three years. Are they maybe trying to hurry along female puberty so he'll be done with the process by the time he starts T at 16?
 
Etoile said:
I think I just realized why he's going to be taking estrogen for the next three years. Are they maybe trying to hurry along female puberty so he'll be done with the process by the time he starts T at 16?

Right so that he can turn around and go through puberty again this time male with the voice changes etc which is what Dusty is doing know at the age of 25.
 
lovelylisa said:
forgive me, because I really know very little about this process... actually the extent of what I know I've read on your posts Dusty and from my physiological psych. class...

Is it safe for someone so young to make such a decision? What if he gets older and realizes he's made a mistake? Do you really understand the whole of what you're doing at 13? If I had to make such a life altering decision at that age I'm almost sure regret it now 10 yrs. later.


I wish him the best. It must be very difficult to be so young and so unhappy.

No need to apologize, very few people know or understand about the process. Especially with FtM. Up until recently it was very hard to go through the transition process for an FTM, and really it still is. It's difficult to find a doctor that is knowledgeable in this area. I just totally lucked out.

Actually, I realized I wasn't normal when I was like 4 or 5. I've struggled with this for 20 years now. If I could have made the change at her child it would have made a world of difference in my life. I was so unconfident and self concious the entire time I was growing up because I felt I never fitted in anywhere. Especially around girls. It was horrible.

Now that I have started my transition, only 9 days on Testosterone I'm starting to feel more confident and my self esteem is improving, it's really awesome.

So at the age of 13? Yeah, I think she will be fine. Besides, she wont start full on for another 3 years. I think if she doesn't know by then and isn't sure then she never will be. If I had, had the option at her age I would have taken it.
 
DustyWolfe said:
No need to apologize, very few people know or understand about the process. Especially with FtM. Up until recently it was very hard to go through the transition process for an FTM, and really it still is. It's difficult to find a doctor that is knowledgeable in this area. I just totally lucked out.
I would say that it's equally difficult, or more difficult, to go through an MTF transition. It is much harder to be accepted by society as MTF, I think. There have been some shows on Discovery Channel (and other channels) about transitioning, and the MTFs seemed to have a harder time of it than FTMs.

So at the age of 13? Yeah, I think she will be fine. Besides, she wont start full on for another 3 years. I think if she doesn't know by then and isn't sure then she never will be. If I had, had the option at her age I would have taken it.
Why Dusty! I'm surprised to see you using 'she' and 'her' for Alex!
 
Etoile said:
I would say that it's equally difficult, or more difficult, to go through an MTF transition. It is much harder to be accepted by society as MTF, I think. There have been some shows on Discovery Channel (and other channels) about transitioning, and the MTFs seemed to have a harder time of it than FTMs.

Why Dusty! I'm surprised to see you using 'she' and 'her' for Alex!

It IS more difficult to find a doctor that treats FtM is what I'm saying. Not that it is less accepted or anything. But up until the last few years there were very doctors that treated patients as FtM. I had a hell of a time finding a doctor that dealt with FtM most of the doctors only saw MtF patients.

And the only reason I was referring to Alex as 'she' and 'her' is because I was very tired and didn't feel well. My brain isn't working too well because I have had a migraine for a month now. My apologies
 
DustyWolfe said:
It IS more difficult to find a doctor that treats FtM is what I'm saying. Not that it is less accepted or anything. But up until the last few years there were very doctors that treated patients as FtM. I had a hell of a time finding a doctor that dealt with FtM most of the doctors only saw MtF patients.
I had been basing what I said on this sentence:
Up until recently it was very hard to go through the transition process for an FTM, and really it still is.

Because FTMs making the transition are still less common than MTFs transitioning, I can see why it would be more difficult to find a suitable doctor. Overall, though, I think the transition process is harder for MTF based on societal disapproval, physical changes, and so forth.
 
Etoile said:
Because FTMs making the transition are still less common than MTFs transitioning, I can see why it would be more difficult to find a suitable doctor. Overall, though, I think the transition process is harder for MTF based on societal disapproval, physical changes, and so forth.

And of course MTF is harder because estrogen can't undo what testosterone has done. A deep voice, large hands, broad shoulders and other masculine characteristics can never be removed through surgery or hormones. MTF's face a much harder time of it simply because it's harder for a man to pass as a woman than vice versa.
 
Pyper said:
And of course MTF is harder because estrogen can't undo what testosterone has done. A deep voice, large hands, broad shoulders and other masculine characteristics can never be removed through surgery or hormones. MTF's face a much harder time of it simply because it's harder for a man to pass as a woman than vice versa.
I agree with you on all counts except the deep voice. It is possible for estrogen to alter a man's voice to sound much more like a woman's. It isn't always exactly like a genetic female's voice, but it can do a world of change.
 
Etoile said:
I had been basing what I said on this sentence:


Because FTMs making the transition are still less common than MTFs transitioning, I can see why it would be more difficult to find a suitable doctor. Overall, though, I think the transition process is harder for MTF based on societal disapproval, physical changes, and so forth.


Right... I know the MTF process is a bit trickier, the female body seems to be a bit easier to mold than the male body.

I would think that the female body would respond more quickly to Testosterone than the male body to Estrogen. Case in point, I'm seeing amazing changes in a little over a week.

Sorry for causing a debate. I was just mainly referring to it being more difficult because it is harder to find a doctor, not about the process being more difficult.
 
Etoile said:
I agree with you on all counts except the deep voice. It is possible for estrogen to alter a man's voice to sound much more like a woman's. It isn't always exactly like a genetic female's voice, but it can do a world of change.

That's interesting, because from what I've always heard, it's absolutely impossibly to alter a man's voice after puberty. MTF's have to take extensive voice lessons to pitch their voice like a woman's.
 
I've never met a TS person whose voice has been changed by oestrogen, but instead by pure hard work.

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