ATTN: Renegade

[Guest]

Renegade,

You are making a BIG mistake! Please, do NOT move any threads or restrict the use of the Personals board in any way. This community has developed because of a need to be different from the GB.

There are NO posters on this forum who are complaining that their personal ads get ignored. There have been NO pms sent to the shitstirrers from the GB. Anyone who wants their ad to be boosted to the top of the page, can easily do so by maintaining it.

The people in this community (personals) have gathered here for a valid reason. Their posting styles are different than what is the medium of the GB. They have a right to continue to communicate in this forum, regardless if whether some nosey-ass bitches from the GB decided to come over here and stick their vindictive noses in our community.

Before you change a thing, I ask you to research the threads on the GB, and then notice how that resulted as an interference here:

This thread began the whole controversy here on Personals by Starfish (please read ALL of it and note how warmly and politely Starfish was received on this board) :

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=70686

These thread was what encouraged the GB forum to interfere:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=71091

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=71106

And then continue to bring it back to Personals:

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=71185


To make it short - there were THREE people from the GB (Starfish, Cheyenne, KillerMuffin) who instigated a problem here on the Personals. In each instance that they came to Personals, they were treated with tolerance, respect and friendliness. Nobody told them to butt out, nobody ganged up on them. Any hateful talk was propogated by their own posts. This is exactly the kind of behavior that prompted the creation of our community here on Personals. It would be very unfair, if, as a moderator, you would make any changes to our community because of interference from the GB.

In all fairness to the forum that you moderate, please consider that we prefer to stay here. I would hope that before you make any decision to move threads from here to the GB that you would at least pay some consideration to this community AFTER reading each of the threads that I listed above in their entirety.

Thank you,
An Unregistered poster
(for typically obvious reasons)

 

[on_the_verge]

OMG, I hope they don't start up with the other forums!

 

[Guest]

Please keep this thread bumped to the top so that Renegade will read it when he returns, and a full day's cycle of posters have a chance to contribute

If our community is important to you, this would be a good place to say so.

Let's not be apathetic or fearful, voice your opinions before our community is disintegrated because of the interference of those on the GB.

 

[lovetoread]

That was the most wonderful post about this subject that I have read so far.

I too dont want the board to change.

 

[TigerClaw]

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[on_the_verge]

Thanks for the light in the night sky…

Perhaps it's like taking the stock and then leaving the survivors to starve. It's like hunting, killing and then leaving your prey to suffer. Where are the *big posters* that were so vocal? Are they eating, out or did they accomplish their goals?

I hate to be harsh, but I know what people do. Even in R/L. I am an observer and I can see many things hidden that are not so much on the surface—ulterior motives and hidden agendas.

Now, back to my regular sensual being in an articulate, but resourceful demure…

 

[Georgia Girl]

I have to agree with unregistered on this one. My personal style does not fit well over on the general board and I am not into RPG yet this board is where I do feel comfortable.

Yes, I will admit to having gotten into it with Starfish but I still stand beside what I had to say. I realized I had gone over the top and had the guts to admit it and apologize.

If what we choose to say, the threads we choose to post on this board are to be moderated then the same should apply to all boards as has been stated. I see no reason that the place we choose to frequent most often should be dissected due to ill feelings from others.

Dawn

 

[Renegade]

I'm pretty much on my way out, so this will be short and too the point:

When the Personals forum first started, things were much stricter then they are now. This was before I was a Moderator and at the time many complained about the fun being taken out of the forum. After I took over, things where much more lenient because that's just how me and Mack ran things.

Things aren't going to change that much. Conversation threads such as the Directory ones are going to stay and are welcomed. The only thing I'm planning to be doing differently is moving threads that don't have as much to do with Personal ADs to the forums they belong in. It's something I should have been doing from the start but didn't for whatever reason.

 

[Guest]

Renegade,

Please don't move ANY threads. It's very unfair.

Have you read ALL of the threads listed above in the first post of this thread? Please take the time to do so before making up your mind.

Can't you see what the problem is?

We are HERE because we do not fit in THERE. This is our community. We don't want to be forced into the GB.

Live and Let Live

 

[PaganZepher]

Hmmmmm... What if....?

If I took my own pic with a timer, would that mean I have to post it on the amateur pic board and not post it here?

What I mean is where do we draw the lines?

Things were fine *here*. People kept coming back because they liked it *here*. People have met, flirted, and fallen in love *here*.

Why must this change because of an exaggerated cry of foul and hurt feelings by **SOME** members of the GB? I am not here to meet the expectations of GB members.

I do appreciate that the "Directory threads" will not be moved. (I'm biased because the Carolina thread and the people there are the best I have ever met. I love them all.) But is it really necessary to move any threads? Please reconsider this. And also give careful consideration to the *actual* complaints that have been lodged. What "injury" did the complainers really suffer other than a blow to their egos that the threads here do not rotate around them and the GB?

Thank you.

 

[TigerClaw]

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[Renegade]

Yes, I have read the threads. And I can see the point you're trying to make here. But a simple fact is that there are certain guidelines a Moderator is supposed to follow in moderating a forum. In a large way, I've not been following those guidelines. Certain threads are supposed to be moved from certain forums whenever they pop up and I've been slacking on it as of late.

A lot of attention has been brought to this, so some threads will have to be moved in the future. Of the threads that are apart of this board right now, I'm pretty much done after moving the few I did earlier. I don't want to come off as the bad guy here, but certain threads had to be moved because they simply don't belong in the forum.

All day I've been dealing with this, trying to explain things to everyone, and it's really getting to me right now. So I'm just going to say this: Some threads have to be moved, but not all or most. A lot of you obviously don't like this, and I'm sorry, but there are rules and I have to follow them otherwise I'm not doing my job as a Moderator. Most/All of the threads you see still posted are staying, so it's not going to be a big change in the long run.

 

[SexyChele]

Wow! What a ruckus!

Now, personally, I like to post here at the Personals forum - it's fun, pure and simple. And easy. And less confrontational some days.

But, truthfully folks, it is a "Personals" forum. Yes, there are some great threads here, I agree. But I can also see them on the GB as well. Yes, I know that the GB can be imposing at first, but if you start posting there, you can still have fun.

Renegade is just doin' his job, and I think he's done a fine one all along, along with Mack.

None of this is worth getting upset about, in my opinion.

 

[Guest]

Would it help if we make our objection strongly to Laurel on the GB?

Hell, they came here and screwed things up for us, maybe that's where the complaints should be made.

 

[SexyChele]

Would it help if we make our objection strongly to Laurel on the GB?

Hell, they came here and screwed things up for us, maybe that's where the complaints should be made.

First of all, I would say that Renegade and Mack are acting on Laurel's behalf. They are the moderators here, after all.


And I personally find your second comment to be out of line. What do you hope to accomplish with that attitude? Seems that kind of behavior should have stopped in high school. To go over to the GB board and post a public complaint is only going to cause more hurt feelings for everyone involved.

If you truly do have a complaint, why not just take it up with Laurel directly, and let her work it out with the mods. Why drag it out in public?

 

[Guest]

My point exactly. That IS what they did HERE!

 

[SexyChele]

My point exactly. That IS what they did HERE!

And I suppose you don't see the childish behavior in this comment? We are supposed to be adults here. Let's rise above this, let the mods do their job, and move on.

It's not worth getting this upset over....

 

[on_the_verge]

And I suppose you don't see the childish behavior in this comment? We are supposed to be adults here. Let's rise above this, let the mods do their job, and move on.

It's not worth getting this upset over....

I agree and we cannot mull over what is already taking place. I still do not agree with the *Big Three* posters in GB stomping on the PT, but it will never change who I am and what I believe—no matter where I post or carry a conversation in R/L. I don't believe and I "trust" the mods wil be unbiased and not so subjective. The boards need each other and they came to be "naturally" without too much intervention.

Life is too short to get in a big huff over things that are trivial. After all, life awaits beyond the glass door. But, here there is a sense of comfort and the hoopla that the GB board was so thick with—now I see it has been brought over to the PT.

Change is sometimes good and it's up to us to form a community stronger and more valuable in respoects and different perspectives considered.

Why not educate each other? Why not show other's your inner spirit. People will come to PT because they will see it has a different tonality than GB. Not to mention other forums have their respective places and some sidetracking which is natural. After all, we can't follow a set course. For example. we can't just have a picture thread and all that could be contained within are pictures. That would leave the forum dry and uneventful, because real life and things involve many aspects—not just the sole objective. It's about choice and being able to know what is best for you.

Don't let them get you in a hoot! It's like sex, don't try so hard. Have fun with it, appreciate it and let it all happen, no? Dominant roles aside? Hmmm?

 

[sortacurious]

Re: Thanks for the light in the night sky…

Perhaps it's like taking the stock and then leaving the survivors to starve. It's like hunting, killing and then leaving your prey to suffer. Where are the *big posters* that were so vocal? Are they eating, out or did they accomplish their goals?

I hate to be harsh, but I know what people do. Even in R/L. I am an observer and I can see many things hidden that are not so much on the surface—ulterior motives and hidden agendas.

Now, back to my regular sensual being in an articulate, but resourceful demure…

Ditto for me!

Besides this is the last place I would have ever thought the issue of hiding behind labels would have come up. Aren't we all suppressed enough in r/l by societies labels. I thought this was going to be a place to get away from all that. What's with all the "those people" and "over there" and "you over here"? Ridiculous. This is what leads to all sorts of ism's that I personally find repulsive! Next thing you know it'll be---- "You there in the spotlight, you don't look right. Put 'em up against the Wall!"

Talk about manipulative, petty people! (No finger pointing, here) If I were to all of a sudden discover something wonderful I would not be bitter and resentful that I had missed out, I would be happy that I could now enjoy. Happens everyday in life. Discovery is about joy whether it be: on the boards, inside r/l, under the covers, beneath your lover's touch...oh, right, well anyway...

I feel cheated now because I have just started posting here after investing much time reading to get a feel for things. I did like the suggestion of changing the description slightly rather than the location of threads and hope that it is considered. But, who am I?

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Can't we all just get along???? (Rodney King, I think )



BTW---OTV I like your articulation!

 

[darkscribe]

Yes, I have read the threads. And I can see the point you're trying to make here. But a simple fact is that there are certain guidelines a Moderator is supposed to follow in moderating a forum. In a large way, I've not been following those guidelines. Certain threads are supposed to be moved from certain forums whenever they pop up and I've been slacking on it as of late.

Being a member of many different msg bds, I would have to agree with what Renegade is saying. He is only doing his job as a mod. Like he had said maybe these were things he should have done from Day 1. Maybe, only now is he being told to be more strict and follow the rules. I realize that some people are disturbed by this change, but the mods are doing what they're supposed to.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Lieterotica Personals....

"Meet other Literotica users for friendship or more!" So where is the more.


As stated in the description to meet others. That has been what we have been doing within our writing here. I do feel safe since my directory is safe as of now. However I feel there is a vindictive agenda at play. Somebody feels insecure or left out.
Well, heck I felt ingnored at times on the General Boards did you hear me complaining about it. NO. Everything Lit has to offer is a click of a button. What is the big deal. Why are you allowing a few to stir up such a controversy. Isn't it obvious that that is all they ever do. I hop back and forth from the personals to the GB all the time. My heart is in this section as I mentioned in Cheyane's thread. This is where it all began for me. The NYC thread made me feel as part of a community. It has carried over with friends on the GB and has made my way in there easier.

To me this is idiotic. A type of censorship. How do several people get a say in this matter as compared to the masses that feel comfortable here. If you read most of the threads are related to some sort of personal and fits the outline of the description of the personal board. There are reasons why people post here and it should not be up to any of us to question it.

Did you ever think that there might be underlaying motives for them posting here. Perhaps they are single looking for love or simply sex but are too shy to come out and say it. So they post a thread hoping for a response for a connection. Then when they feel comfortable or confident they proceed to the next level. Knowing that a person in this thread is probably seeking something they want also. The Long Distance Relationship post is advice for personals. It BELONGS HERE. Jeezzz there have been so many that have met from that post. We as a community in the personal boards try not to exclude anybody. What is the big #$%#ing (abstaining from cursing) deal here?

Again Literotica Personals Meet others Literotica users for friendship and more! I found that here. Ok still looking for that love but such is life.

Peace,
Tulip

The view points here are soley Tulip2lipservice. I have not made any personal digs to any one person in particular or in mind. However, be an adult and learn to play nicely with others. Do not be jealous of what is going on in the Personals you are all welcome to partake. I think I am finished with this topic. However I might be egged on to bump this thread. Jeez I hate controversy. See Renegade how a few caused it by trying to uproot what so many in the Personal threads have created.

 

[Cheyenne]

There are NO posters on this forum who are complaining that their personal ads get ignored. There have been NO pms sent to the shitstirrers from the GB. Anyone who wants their ad to be boosted to the top of the page, can easily do so by maintaining it.

If you knew me, you'd know one of the things I'm "famous" for is being obsessed with truth. I said there were posters who PM'd me, and there were. I did NOT forward their PMs to Renegade as they are private and not my place to do so. Whether you choose to believe me or not us up to you. But Renegade knows me and knows I don't lie.

As for "shitstirring"- look again. I asked a question, I gave my opinion. I don't own the site any more than you do. We are all guests here. But my opinion should carry as much weight as yours.

The thread I started on this board generated PMs to me. I posted to the thread that anyone who wanted changes needed to speak up on their own. I haven't checked to see if anyone was brave enough to post on that thread to say so (sounds like the general board, doesn't it? People being intimidated by you, I mean.) My guess is they would have PM'd Renegade directly. But I don't know if any of them did that, either.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

Yes, it does sound like ....

intimidation.. a feeling that we did not have to feel in the Personal Board prior to the start of this whole controversy. Go figure.

Peace,
Tulip

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Yes, it does sound like ....

intimidation.. a feeling that we did not have to feel in the Personal Board prior to the start of this whole controversy. Go figure.

Peace,
Tulip

Or, the intimidation was there and no one spoke up until they had a vehicle to do so? Not recognizing it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Renegade posted that regular members of THIS forum have complained to him. I believe him as I have no reason to think he has learned to lie recently.

 

[Sincerely]

Can't we all just get along.....really guys it's not that serious......cmon count of three...group hug.....one two...three.....huggles...yay....all better now.......