Astrological Symbolism and BDSM; Sade example

[Pure]

For those interested: Marquis de Sade, Jun 2, 1740.

Sun 12 Gem
Moon 11 Virgo
Merc 18 Taurus
Ven 27 Cancer
Mars 24 Aries
Jup 17 Gem
Sat 22 Cancer
Uran 13 Capr R
Nep 4 Cancer
Plu 6 Scorpio

FTSOA, take MC 12 Gem, hence ASC is 16 Virgo.

If one prefers a sunrise chart (Asc 12 Gemini), the Moon is
7 Virgo, and the Sun and inner planets move back slightly.

For those who like symbolism, how about Venus conjunct Saturn square Mars. In a phrase, cutting into pretty flesh and fucking it up the bum.

Coldness and cruelty to the love object, but carried out at a fever pitch of lust.

The saturnine symbolism involves logic, and reason, and Sade's atheism fits that well. At the same time, we know that the application of 'reason' may be cruel. In one way this was NOT true of Sade in that he did not endorse the bloody excesses of the French revolution (those of Robespierre), or the use of capital punishment.

In the sexual encounters (Mars/Venus)for which he was tried, there are, however, strong elements of cruelty, however, as well as intimidation. One might say he was, besides lustful in cruelty, calculating, e.g., that a whipped whore would never be believed.


Comment on the mutable sun and moon, sun conjunct jupiter. The man was nothing if not versatile, esp. in sex; very 'switchy'; enjoyed receiving as well as giving a good flogging. And loved to think and write about it, at length. (Merc trine Moon) Able to pour his feelings into his writing. Pretentious and grandiose traits, prolix writing, but immense energy.

 

[HoHoBomb]

I don't know much about the Marquis de Sade
but based on these planets he had a split personality he was terribly lonely he had a horrible loveless childhood
unrequited love

 

[Caitlynne]

For those interested: Marquis de Sade, Jun 2, 1740.

Sun 12 Gem
Moon 11 Virgo
Merc 18 Taurus
Ven 27 Cancer
Mars 24 Aries
Jup 17 Gem
Sat 22 Cancer
Uran 13 Capr R
Nep 4 Cancer
Plu 6 Scorpio


For those who like symbolism, how about Venus conjunct Saturn square Mars. In a phrase, cutting into pretty flesh and fucking it up the bum.

Coldness and cruelty to the love object, but carried out at a fever pitch of lust.

Damn there are some potent combinations here....

Actually there are two Major square aspects that define this chart. The Sun is Square the Moon and a Sun/Moon square is considered to be one of the major life lessons in any natal chart and can consume a person's life dealing with the inner conflict between the emotional nature (Moon) and the Soul (Sun).

The Square Aspect is an aspect of challenge and conflict. It is a motivating aspect mainly because it provokes action due to the frustrating nature of the aspect. Quite frankly ALL people with a Sun/Moon Square are often times motivated to make changes in their life for no other reason than they are frustrated with they way things are, AND not because there is any concrete reason for the change or the frustration. Frustration is felt with this aspect as a physical phenomenon and can feel as if there was someone/something on the inside of your body running their fingernails on the blackboard of your last nerve. It can be quite frustrating.

A Sun/Moon square, while both challenging and frustrating in the life of any person, is the single greatest reason (Astrologically) for personal growth, maturity, accomplishment and success. It is a driving force that seeks to rid itself of the ever-present sense of frustration that the Sun/Moon Square signifies.

The reason for this inner conflict is that the Sun (Representing the Soul/Identity/Real Person/whatever) is struggling to find expression but the Moon (emotional body) is in direct (well, Square) conflict with that expression. Conversely, the Moon seeks its own expression (Emotions) and finds itself in conflict with the true self. Each struggle for dominance (as it were) but these two bodies are so different that they cannot live comfortably together for very long. Since it is an inner conflict and not one of environmental origins it becomes difficult to find resolution.

Truth be told, Astrologically speaking, it is not supposed to find resolution, aspects in Astrology are to be used as motivation to a particular end and the need to act that the frustration creates is the engine that drives the person to that end.

The Venus Square Mars/conjunct Saturn is the second major Square configuration. Pure is right here, Saturn gives the Marquis the power, drive and endurance to delve into the deepest recesses of a love objects inner being, body, mind and soul, but with a coldness that is almost impossible for others to understand.

Remembering here that Venus is what we desire and Mars is how we go about getting what we desire. Saturn in conjunction to Venus gives a cold and calculating nature towards objects of desire.

Coldness and cruelty to the love object, but carried out at a fever pitch of lust.

^Very accurate interpretation for a Mars square Venus conjunct Saturn. Saturn adds a coldness that not many people can understand or tolerate. But Mars adds a passion for coldness..... (cruelty)... but unlike the Sun/Moon square, the Venus/Mars square takes the inner conflict of the square and places it on the stage of real life. Interior conflicts are played out on the exterior.

In the case of de Sade, his Sado-Maso nature was a reflection of the inner struggle inside of himself.

But it is the nature of the square aspect to drive a person to these lengths. It is the purpose of the square aspect to do this. I'd add that this is not in any way an attempt to minimize the very real inner frustration, but only to explain how this inner conflict becomes the motivation for change and eventual growth.

I'd argue that de Sade, while he may have appeared to be sad, lonely and wretched, that he followed his own inner drives. He marched to his own drummer, which is exactly what the chart indicates. Since this is the what the chart dictates, I'd venture a guess, that while he was able to feed his inner drives, (either through his imagination or otherwise) he was fulfilled. This aspect is a shining example of it being all about 'the journey, not the destination'.

The combination of these two square aspects completely dominates the chart.. It would be very interesting to be able to have an accurate time of birth to evaluate what houses these squares involved, but the planetary placements alone are very revealing.

Add to this, that the planets that govern sexual behavior (Mars and Pluto) are both is the strongest signs possible, their rulers. Giving these planets greater strength in expression and dominance over the other planets.. (so to speak)

All in all an interesting chart.. I'll look at it a bit more, this was just a casual look.

~ Cait

 

[bunny bondage]

my favorite sade quote

this comes from 120 days of sodom.

"bear in mind that, alive though you may be, you are so only in order to obey and to let be done to you what we please."

 

[Pure]

Hey,

I'm interested in how many have this feature of Sade's chart: Saturn 'afflictions' to Venus. To Moon is another possibility.

If you are unsure, get a free chart from Astrodienst and post the positions for the planets, here and we'll discuss it.

Some key phrases from Ebertin:

[Negative] State of being unsatisfied, self torment, unhealthy expresssion of the sex urge.

[Positive] Sense of duty/reality in expression of emotions,.

 

[Caitlynne]

Actually, there are several ways Saturn can manifest in what we'd call for the sake of this discussion a BDSM aspect. There are several ways the planets can line up and produce similar manifestations...

However Satrun is the main culprit due to the fact that Saturn represents power, control and resposnibility.. as well as pain, endurance and denial of pleasure. Saturn is pretty much needed in some fashion in order to make the pleasure/pain association.

If anyone uses Astrodienst (a great site BTW).. then look for any of the following aspects or configurations:

Saturn in stress aspect to Venus or the Moon as Pure suggests.

Saturn conjunct, square or opposite the Sun, with both planets making any aspect to Venus or the Moon.

Sun in either Mututal reception with the Venus or the Moon with an aspect to Saturn. The Sun in mutual reception to Mars plus an aspect to Satrun.

Satrun conjunct/square or opposite Mars and/or Pluto...

Saturn conjunct, square or opposite Uranus. (But this less so, you are really looking for Saturn to make a hard aspect to personal planets or the Sun and/or Moon)

A dominance of Mars and Pluto in the chart and either or both making hard aspects to Saturn.

Mars in Leo has a propensity for loving sexual risk taking and a dramatic flare. I call it the 'pushing the envelope' syndrome. If Saturn is also in Leo then you have the drive and the control needed.

A lack of any one element.. ie: no fire, no earth, no air, no water.. or an imbalance in the distribution of elements... ie: 7-9 in fire and air.. wiht only 1-3 in earth and water.

And finally, there can be a pretty potent power dynamic from if there are two or more planets in conjunction or opposite Pluto.. If Saturn also falls into this, its a safe bet.

The fact is, for those of you who are lifestylers, there will probably be more than one of these elements. Everything is in gradients (even in astrology), one aspect might not make one a BDSM'er, it might only make for a frustration with the individual's life.. a frustration that might never find resolution. But if there are more than one, then you are talking about adding the drive and magnitude, in order to push someone into exploration and discovery.

Of course the more of these elements a chart possessed, the stronger the 'drive' in the chart towards these activities. But I'd add that the houses involved are the real indicators of exactly what area of life these aspects will manifest in. There are some signs and houses that are more prone to sexual exploration as well.

There are also specific times in a person's life when these elements in the chart might 'activate' so to speak. Around 28 years of age, 35, 42, 51, and 56. all of these ages have some major aspects occuring to the natal chart and it can produce major changes in the lifestyle of the individual.


As for me, I have:

Sun/Moon square

Sun in mutual reception to Mars.. with Mars conjunct Saturn.

Venus conjunct the Asc. semi square to Sun and Moon both

9 fire/air and 1 water.. no earth at all. (do NOT count asteroids, parts in this.. Only the 7 planets, Sun, Moon and Ascendant. Keep it simple to begin with..)

I also have several asteroids and parts in the 6th house of service... and that house is ruled by Scorpio. Something all submissive's should look at (the 6th house of service) if they are curious about an astrological connection to their 'joy' in service.


~ Cait

 

[Pure]

For those interested

Sacher Masoch noon chart

Sun 6 aqu
Moon 27 Tau
Mer 20 Aqu
Ven 4 Pisc
Mar 27 Cap
Jup 7 Can R
Sat 5 Scor
Uran 29 Aqu
Nep 3 Aqu
Plut 14 Ar

A 8 Gem
M 7 Aqu
==

A couple comments. Very different from Sades. Less tense. Dreamy and Imaginative, and given to what Ebertin called 'misguided' or 'deviant uses of vital energy. Sun trine Moon; even tempered release of energy. Not nec. able to overcome obstacles. Saturn square;?? fascination with death.

Saturn and Venus, Trine. His submission was comfortable; a way of finding security. It was a function of imagination more than anything. Jupiter trine Venus, hence grand trine. The peculiar mixture of luxury and discipline sought: "Venus in Furs.'

A good chart for a writer of imaginative works. He wrote well regarded historical novels,

J.

Some positions from my own birth chart.

Moon 20 Capricorn
Merc 18 Aries
Ven 17 Aries R
Mars 0 Aries
Jup. 17 Virgo R
Sat 6 Can

Rising. 29 Aquar.

 

[Caitlynne]

^ Pure The Moon in Capricorn and Satrun in Cancer in your chart is a mutual reception. They act like a conjunction. And interesting placement to say the least because they'll be in opposite houses.. but the energy exchanges much the same way TPE is supposed to work. Saturn has the control and responsibility and the Moon reacts. Very interesting..

Are the houses 12 and 6? That would involve the house of service as well...

~ Cait

 

[Pure]

Yes Cait, it's possible Moon is in 12th house, depending on timing error and house system. (Otherwise, 11th)

The Gauquelin 'moon' traits fit to a degree. (Moon in his Sector 1= Moon in XII)

BTW, are you noticing the hard venus/moon aspects floating around this thread. My interpretation is that woman as mother is split off from woman as lover. One is drawn to 'motherish' types that do not love or to loving types that do not 'mother' (coddle/nurture, etc.)

J.

 

[lark sparrow]

Adding to the experiment

Hey,

I'm interested in how many have this feature of Sade's chart: Saturn 'afflictions' to Venus. To Moon is another possibility.

If you are unsure, get a free chart from Astrodienst and post the positions for the planets, here and we'll discuss it.

Some key phrases from Ebertin:

[Negative] State of being unsatisfied, self torment, unhealthy expresssion of the sex urge.

[Positive] Sense of duty/reality in expression of emotions,.

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Leo
Sun is technically near the end of house 12 and is interpreted in house 1.
Moon Capricorn
Mercury Leo
Venus Leo
Mars Leo
Jupiter Virgo
Saturn Aries
Uranus Virgo
Neptune Scorpio
Pluto Virgo
True Node Aries

 

[Netzach]

*snicker snicker*

You value your freedom very highly and demand the right to do whatever you want at all times.

These astrological circumstances confer upon you the gifts of intuition and genuine concern for humanity at large. You have the ability to deal with large groups, associations, and congregations. Your mental processes are logical and are influenced by a powerful imagination that takes off where others stop. You could show a flair for prophecy. Your professional pursuits should be within the spheres of higher education and mental discipline.

 

[Caitlynne]

Yes Cait, it's possible Moon is in 12th house, depending on timing error and house system. (Otherwise, 11th)

The Gauquelin 'moon' traits fit to a degree. (Moon in his Sector 1= Moon in XII)

BTW, are you noticing the hard venus/moon aspects floating around this thread. My interpretation is that woman as mother is split off from woman as lover. One is drawn to 'motherish' types that do not love or to loving types that do not 'mother' (coddle/nurture, etc.)

J.

Interesting combination then.. the 12-6 mutual reception. One could spend a lot of time just on that aspect alone. If I can ask, where are the Moon's nodes placed?

And Yes, I've noticed a lot of hard Moon aspects (in this thread and the other ones) and I'd interpret them in the same manner. There are definite indications of a split in the individual causing the split to manifest as a conflict between the sexual nature and the nurturing nature.. The Madonna/whore thing.. Only it is internal, as well as a product of cultutal indoctrination.

This could actually be the 'cause' of a submissive needing the 'permission' so often found in their psyche's, but I'd have to see a larger sample before I committed to that. Like I said, I think that for BDSM'ers, we're going to find a number of these elements in their charts.

This is not a 'true' sample because there are also indications that these are the kinds of people who would respond to a thread like this.. Still it is an interesting look at what could be a dominant theme. I'm always interested in gathering stats like this.. they help in interpretations.

Hard Moon aspects indicate a lack of security and a lack of nurturing.. key elements in D/s, although I have to say I'm surprised to see it so dominant in the examples so far.

We also seem to have Aries, Leo or Scorpio in some key positions.. Sun, Moon, Asc, Venus and Mars, Saturn etc.... these are *driven* signs and would tend to make these natives 'act' out the elements of the hard Moon aspects. I think it is the two in combination. The Moon feels and the planets placed in Aries, Leo and/or Scorpio cause the native to 'act' on those feelings.

Very interesting!

~ Cait

 

[Pure]

Hi Lark S.,

My opinion is that while the chart --yours--has a high energy similarity to Sades, it is more in line with Sacher Masoch's. Neither Saturn nor Pluto 'afflict'** Moon, Sun, or Venus.

Indeed your Saturn is trine Venus, like SM's which I read as a stable sub arrangement.

There is an 'affliction' of Neptune to Venus, and N is prominent in Sacher M's chart, though imo, you are not so spaced out/romantic/far out as he. It is merely a liability to idealize/fantazise about one's 'love object', not quite abject 'slavery' a la SM.

Those are my opinions, and we'll hear from Cait I'm sure.


**technical or archaic term for 'hard aspect', 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 of the circle.

 

[Caitlynne]

Saturn Aries 25°33'07 09 stationary (R)
Uranus Virgo 26°50'56 02 direct
Neptune Scorpio 23°45'36 04 stationary (D)

LS, I'm sure we'll all pick up on different things, this one leaped off the page for me.

This is a natal Yod. Considered by some astrologers to be the only 'fated' aspect indicated in a chart.. It is also one of the more complicated configurations to explain, I'd suggest an Internet search on the subject. While it is not 'bad', it does have some 'driven' qualities to it that might help to explain 'why' you feel the way you do on an inner level.

There are no personal planets involved, but two of the houses are extremely personal.. (Second and Fourth), leading me to believe that this aspect will manifest in some very personal ways as opposed to work or social environments.

I'd have to agree with Pure, there are more similarities with SM's chart that with de Sade's. And Netzach's observation about the strong imagination.. It borders on psychic with moments of outright genius. The Yod aspect noted above has the ability to take imagination, fllashes of insight and to give them structure, translate them into the real world. In other words, you'd have a strong desire to take fantasies and make them real.

Pure, I'd agree that the lack of hard aspects from Saturn and Pluto to the Sun/Moon and/or Venus offers a stable submissive situation. There are no indications of 'power being the sorce of inner conflict, which I'm beginning to see might be a common theme in the charts of Dom/mes. Although once again, I'd have to see a lot more charts before I made a 'blanket' statement.

Although there is a Mars/Saturn square in LS's chart that would restrict her ability to 'act' in order to obtain what she desires. This square is a tough one, because the native can identify what she wants, but feels a frustration even a limitation when it comes to obtaining or 'going after' what she wants.

Once again remember, Venus is what we desire, Mars is how we go about getting it. Any hard aspect from Mars to Saturn will create a frustration in obtaining what is desired--even to the point of feeling that 'one' can NEVER have what is desired. In general, one of the tougher squares to deal with, the only thing tougher is to have Pluto added to the mix.

~ Cait

 

[RisiaSkye]

Here's mine. Any thoughts?

Planetary positions
planet sign degree house motion
Sun Scorpio 00°45'54 10 direct
Moon Gemini 22°49'55 06 direct
Mercury Libra 12°28'49 09 direct
Venus Virgo 14°54'35 08 direct
Mars Cancer 01°33'58 06/7 direct
Mars is technically near the end of house 6 and is interpreted in house 7.
Jupiter Aries 18°10'07 03 retrograde
Saturn Leo 02°33'53 07 direct
Uranus Scorpio 02°41'34 10 direct
Neptune Sagittarius 10°04'56 11 direct
Pluto Libra 09°57'58 09 direct
True Node Scorpio 21°50'42 11 direct


House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Capricorn 03°51'21
2nd House Aquarius 11°53'58
3rd House Pisces 22°02'26
Imum Coeli Aries 25°21'09
5th House Taurus 21°07'22
6th House Gemini 12°45'01
Descendant Cancer 03°51'21
8th House Leo 11°53'58
9th House Virgo 22°02'26
Medium Coeli Libra 25°21'09
11th House Scorpio 21°07'22
12th House Sagittarius 12°45'01

Major aspects
Sun Trine Moon 7°56
Sun Trine Mars 0°48
Sun Square Saturn 1°48
Sun Conjunction Uranus 1°56
Sun Sextile Ascendant 3°05
Moon Square Venus 7°55
Moon Sextile Jupiter 4°40
Mercury Opposition Jupiter 5°41
Mercury Sextile Neptune 2°24
Mercury Conjunction Pluto 2°31
Venus Square Neptune 4°50
Mars Trine Uranus 1°08
Mars Opposition Ascendant 2°17
Saturn Square Uranus 0°08
Saturn Quincunx Ascendant 1°17
Uranus Sextile Ascendant 1°10
Neptune Sextile Pluto 0°07

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what I get from this is that I'm both Dominant (Sun in Scorpio) and submissive (Moon in 6th), and I'm drawn to the very people, places and things that I hate and which destroy me (Mars Opposition Ascendant, Moon in Gemini). I'm rational, vocal, and creative, but also fickle, arrogant, and tend to alienation.

This sounds pretty much like me.

Other thoughts?

 

[lark sparrow]

*snicker snicker*

You value your freedom very highly and demand the right to do whatever you want at all times.

laughs... Mistress might agree with you there! Thanks for the interesting input, Netzach, Pure and Cait.

These interpretations within a BDSM theme are fascinating, and I'm impressed with the knowledge and ability to do so, as I haven't a clue. Looking forward to seeinging how it shapes up.

 

[Caitlynne]

Mercury Libra 12°28'49 09 direct
Venus Virgo 14°54'35 08 direct

RS, The more dominant theme here is the intellect, which in terms of D/s can indicate either, the intellect being the neutral position in terms of energy. Here we have another mutual reception and although the planets are poorly placed by sign, the mutual reception more than makes up for that and adds the added deminsion of a conjunction.

Here Venus is expressed in clear and concise terms. The native knows exactly what she wants and can achieve the balance necessary to foucs the energy in order to clearly define that which is desired. Technically here we find the balance of desire on an emotional level and the acute objectivity of the intellect for purposes of definition.

Given this, I wager that the Moon in Gemini takes on a more objective tone than the Sun/Moon trine would ordinarily indicate.. the energy flows easily from the powerful Sun position to the more detached Gemini Moon .. as is the nature of the trine in general, giving a temperament more prone to a Dominant expression. The Moon is placed for easy expression.. thus offering a special kind of nurturing. The Moon here is expresing itself in a special manner, through insight, education and the security that information and knowledge can provide to those she cares for.

The Capricorn Ascendant gives us another highly controlled point and added to the elements indicating an emphaiss on intellectual endeavors, I'd say this indicates a native who is higly self-controlled, centered and self-aware. Given that Capricorn is ruled by the planet Saturn, power and it's use or abuse comes into play here.. adding another power/control issue.

The Mars placement is somewhat problematic by sign and by house.. but the intelllect is so focused that any difficulities in obtaining what one deisres are overcome by the power of the intellect. In this case, 'knowledge is power', in a very real sense.

~ Cait

 

[RisiaSkye]

Thanks for the thoughts, Cait. I'm interested in Astrology, but have never gotten much beyond Sun signs, so I really appreciate the insights. Fascinating stuff. Scary, in a way, to see the hugely dominant positioning of mind/intellect in my chart--as it is in my life. The overlaps are always telling, are they not?

While I can offer nothing similar, if you ever need a tarot reading, drop me a line. I'm a big believer in the quid pro quo/PE model. And thanks again.

Pure, anything you'd like to add? (go ahead, be brutally frank. I think I can take it. )

RS

 

[Caitlynne]

Thanks for the thoughts, Cait. I'm interested in Astrology, but have never gotten much beyond Sun signs, so I really appreciate the insights. Fascinating stuff. Scary, in a way, to see the hugely dominant positioning of mind/intellect in my chart--as it is in my life. The overlaps are always telling, are they not?

While I can offer nothing similar, if you ever need a tarot reading, drop me a line. I'm a big believer in the quid pro quo/PE model. And thanks again.

Pure, anything you'd like to add? (go ahead, be brutally frank. I think I can take it. )

RS

You're quite welcome, it was a pleasure! And I'll remember your offer, I agree on the quid pro quo/PE model myself.

~ Cait

 

[Pure]

Hi RS,

Cait has mentioned the themes of intellect, objectivity and self-control. Mars prob alluded to. I'd say I concur 65%.

To me, it's like the chart of a champion debator or articulate actor; quite imperious intellectuality, taking no prisoners, so to say. Affinities then with dominance. (More like Sade than like SM, though with SM's imagination.) If indeed you have such intellectual security in having your way, you would be hard to dominate by a female or male of modest intellectual abilities. Most of this may be called 'good' except if it's taken to the point of overbearing obnoxiousness. (Even in that case, I suspect you can 'take care of' [tony soprano style] those whose hackles you've raised.)

I agree as to capacity for self discipline, but the life course is likely to have sudden changes of direction, i.e., like career change. On each 'tack' though, lots of self application. Then Ta Ta Folks. There is also the issue of emotional tempests, though I suspect these do not 'cause' the change but are convenient times to kiss something/someone off.

The 'afflictions' of the chart call to mind some of Sade's. Moon Mars conj is negatively, aggressive quarrelsomeness; temper.
I suspect 'partitioned' from the areas of intellectual imperium.

In our SM, slant, {{deleted: the idea would be obvious violence against a woman, and }} relentless grinding down of a man. Perhaps, in the latter case, along the line of the extended campaigns described by Netzach. (Esp. if you have been on the other end, earlier on in life.) Though 'third party' information is always shaky it would seem one or both parents pretty dominant or hot tempered.

As to 'suffering' (undergoing) the above; yes, but to get book material, and in the sense of Sade (pain-seeking [masochistic] topping).

Ebertin notes 'erotic aberrations' for your other 'afflction' of Venus by Neptune. Possibly in violence proneness (consensual of course, though the consenter may not live to tell the tale.) Given your intellectual bent, also I presume you've read about every known deviation, and--in the spirit of science and for your new story-- are willing to subject some happy (hapless?) object-person to it.

That's about all she wrote for now.

PS As to "I'm both Dominant (Sun in Scorpio) and submissive (Moon in 6th), "--- I don't see the first, at all, and little reason to read Moon in IV as submissive. In almost all rough categories--plumbers, engineers, murderers, playrights, and dom/mes, the sun signs are more or less evenly distributed.

 

[Pure]

NOTE to posters.

It's useless to post 'seconds' [of arc, not time; marked "] except possibly for the Sun and Moon, and that's assuming an accurate time. Indeed, except from AS and MC, even minutes [of arc, marked '] become dispensable for our rough analyes. Iow, simply truncate everything except degrees for Sun, Moon, Asc, MC.

Further given the capacity of Astrodienst, the time, date and birth place can be used to make a chart onscreen quicker than anything. Iow, besides the positions, give the basic data, if it's not private, and I myself [or whoever] can plug it into Astrodienst to get a chart onscreen.

FURTHER NOTE. By giving the planetary chart data you are giving your year and date of birth. In giving 'angles' and houses, you are giving rough location of birth. Hence do not give away stuff you don't want to.

J.

 

[Netzach]

While applicable to Lark S from what I can glean of her, the quotes above referred to my own stuff.

interesting, never read up on this, much, but it tells me I'm a Dominant empath with a
propensity to overanalyze stuff and a huge libido.

Huh, where'd they get that idea?

Sun Sagittarius
Moon Aquarius
Mercury Scorpio
Venus Capricorn
Venus is technically near the end of house 5 and is interpreted in house 6.
Mars Aries
Jupiter Aquarius
Saturn Cancer
Uranus Libra
Neptune Sagittarius
Pluto Libra
True Node Sagittarius

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo
2nd House Virgo
3rd House Libra
Imum Coeli Scorpio
5th House Sagittarius
6th House Capricorn
Descendant Aquarius
8th House Pisces
9th House Aries
Medium Coeli Taurus
11th House Gemini
12th House Cancer
Major aspects
Sun Sextile Jupiter
Sun Conjunction Neptune
Sun Sextile Pluto
Moon Square Mercury
Moon Sextile Mars
Moon Trine Uranus
Moon Opposition Ascendant
Mercury Sextile Venus
Mercury Square Ascendant
Venus Square Mars
Venus Square Uranus
Venus Quincunx Ascendant
Mars Opposition Uranus
Mars Trine Ascendant
Jupiter Sextile Neptune
Jupiter Trine Pluto
Saturn Square Pluto
Uranus Sextile Ascendant
Neptune Sextile Pluto

 

[lark sparrow]

While applicable to Lark S from what I can glean of her, the quotes above referred to my own stuff.

lol I thought it might be yours, but wasn't sure - then when our interpretors took it as mine, thought hmmm ok... they must be right. Which also leads to the experiment of looking at numerous charts and locating parts of yourself or someone else - seeing that which supports our previous conclusions... but still, fascinating stuff with some surprisingly parallel aspects to life.

 

[RisiaSkye]

this is pretty much all directed at Pure. Feel free to skip this post.

The take no prisoners intellectualism is kinda interesting, and totally on target. (That's why I'm such a bitch to you, actually...you've proved you can hold your own on the bookish end, so I relate to you as intellect far more than as person.) I definitely objectify in that sense. And while I mean it as a mark of respect, it certainly doesn't come off that way to many people. C'est la vie.

Ebertin notes 'erotic aberrations' for your other 'afflction' of Venus by Neptune. Possibly in violence proneness (consensual of course, though the consenter may not live to tell the tale.) Given your intellectual bent, also I presume you've read about every known deviation, and--in the spirit of science and for your new story-- are willing to subject some happy (hapless?) object-person to it.

Interesting. Yes, I'm widely read and hugely curious, and I will try most anything once. Though on myself, typically, well before on anyone else. More or less true, though.

The parental issue you delicately suggested is essentially a no-brainer. I've written extensively on this site about my upbringing. sado-Dominant father with tendencies to alcohol driven uncontainable rampages. sado/maso Dominant mother who pretty much only submitted to him and directed her sadism my way. So, I'll buy that, though it could as easily come from an Abnormal Psych textbook as anything. No earthshattering revelations there.

PS As to "I'm both Dominant (Sun in Scorpio) and submissive (Moon in 6th), "--- I don't see the first, at all, and little reason to read Moon in IV as submissive. In almost all rough categories--plumbers, engineers, murderers, playrights, and dom/mes, the sun signs are more or less evenly distributed.

I don't get what the jobs, crimes, and sexual proclivities have to do with each other or what I originally wrote...I assume I'm missing something.

Like I said, I know little about Astrology. So I'm taking my ideas about D/s implications pretty much purely from the interpretations of those particular positions given on the site that generated them. You say they don't indicate that, and you know far more about it than I do, so I believe you. Mark your calendar, because I don't acknowledge ignorance often or with much good grace.

The offer of a tarot reading in exchange stands for you also, if you're so inclined. And thanks for your thoughts. As ever.

RS

 

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Pure said,
//PS As to "I'm both Dominant (Sun in Scorpio) and submissive (Moon in 6th), "--- I don't see the first, at all, and little reason to read Moon in IV as submissive. In almost all rough categories--plumbers, engineers, murderers, playrights, and dom/mes, the sun signs are more or less evenly distributed. //
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RS said,
I don't get what the jobs, crimes, and sexual proclivities have to do with each other or what I originally wrote...I assume I'm missing something.

The point was that for *any* set of rough categories, no one has ever found a valid, reproducible pattern according to sun signs. E.g., if you think murderers, even violent ones, might tend to be Sun in Aries, or conversely, you would be disappointed. Applying this to the sex issues, if you think 'bi's should have Sun in Gemini more often than straight hets, or vice versa, no. And, in the case at hand, if you expect 'dom/mes' to disproportionately show Sun in Scorpio, or sun in scorpio have more representation among dom/mes than say Sun in Pisces, you would almost certainly be disappointed. Knowing a person's Sun Sign does not allow prediction of where that person might fall**, or be best suited, in a set of rough categories (You have Sun in Scorpio, therefore you'd be better as a psychoanalyst that a hockey 'forward'.--NOT)


**In the absence of exposure to astrological sun sign 'information.'