Assholes In This Fucked Up World
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KillerMuffin
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Good thing you didn't, babe. People that irrational to scream epithets at an old woman, no matter what the provocation, won't have the slightest compunction about hitting people.
Listen to your gut instincts.
Perhaps involving the police on the matter? I dunno.
Listen to your gut instincts.
Perhaps involving the police on the matter? I dunno.
sch00lteacher
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The attorney was probably in his early 40s and seemed like a normal enough guy.
I wonder to myself what religion this guy was. Unless he came out and told you, you wouldn't know.
I can't help but think he might have been Jewish. They are really touchy about WWII history.
It is true. The victors get to write the history.
I wonder to myself what religion this guy was. Unless he came out and told you, you wouldn't know.
I can't help but think he might have been Jewish. They are really touchy about WWII history.
It is true. The victors get to write the history.
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Sounds like some people can't express their passion properly. The woman had a position, the male could have asked her source. I go around with different opinions everyday, but don't get high blood pressure if someone has a different opinion, as long as they can back it up. Shouting someone down (like the left likes to do), shows you have no solid facts to back your case. The woman had every right to call the police on the male for implied violence, or threatening gestures.
Or, the male was just a perfect asshole!
Or, the male was just a perfect asshole!
PowerOfOne
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The dangers of smoking.....
Lavender, you did the right thing. Only another attorney can out-argue or out-shout an attorney. (This comes from personal experience).
Your only other option would have been to jump into the fray, continue to piss him off so he would hit you then sue him. Of course then there would be court costs and legal fees, postponements, depositions, (be sure and keep all the receipts of the sedatives you will be taking throughout this ordeal), appeals, in-patient care at a mental facility due to the stress and advised by your attorney, and finally, 10 years down the road, your case would be heard before a judge, who is also an attorney.
At this point you would lose everything you have or will ever have, including your first born, because you infringed upon the attorneys right to freedom of speech and because the aforementioned Judge plays golf with the party of the first part, the asshole attorney that hit you. The party the first part's spouse will also receive a judgement against you because you cause such stress in the party of the first part's life that he no longer could get a hard on and therefore you are responsible for all medical bills, Viagra refills, penis implants and sex therapy.
It gets better. The party of the first part has a mistress and she sues you because the implant that the party of the first part had that the party of the second part requested that the party of the first part have implanted, exploded and now the party of the first part and the second part claim that their rights as a spouse and as a mistress have been infringed upon as well as the party of the first part now needs reconstructive surgery.
This should pretty much attach the wages of you, your children, your grandchildren and your greatgrandchildren. As you can clearly see it is far better to go outside and smoke a cigerette and ignore the fray inside because at least you can now be part of a class action suit against the tobacco industry and receive a lifetime supply of printed materials on the dangers of smoking. You did the right thing.
Lavender, you did the right thing. Only another attorney can out-argue or out-shout an attorney. (This comes from personal experience).
Your only other option would have been to jump into the fray, continue to piss him off so he would hit you then sue him. Of course then there would be court costs and legal fees, postponements, depositions, (be sure and keep all the receipts of the sedatives you will be taking throughout this ordeal), appeals, in-patient care at a mental facility due to the stress and advised by your attorney, and finally, 10 years down the road, your case would be heard before a judge, who is also an attorney.
At this point you would lose everything you have or will ever have, including your first born, because you infringed upon the attorneys right to freedom of speech and because the aforementioned Judge plays golf with the party of the first part, the asshole attorney that hit you. The party the first part's spouse will also receive a judgement against you because you cause such stress in the party of the first part's life that he no longer could get a hard on and therefore you are responsible for all medical bills, Viagra refills, penis implants and sex therapy.
It gets better. The party of the first part has a mistress and she sues you because the implant that the party of the first part had that the party of the second part requested that the party of the first part have implanted, exploded and now the party of the first part and the second part claim that their rights as a spouse and as a mistress have been infringed upon as well as the party of the first part now needs reconstructive surgery.
This should pretty much attach the wages of you, your children, your grandchildren and your greatgrandchildren. As you can clearly see it is far better to go outside and smoke a cigerette and ignore the fray inside because at least you can now be part of a class action suit against the tobacco industry and receive a lifetime supply of printed materials on the dangers of smoking. You did the right thing.
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I understand how you feel and I would have the same dilemna - but ultimately you did the right thing, even if its driving you crazy that you didn't say something to him.
The bottom line is that you cannot debate a lunatic and this man was obviously off the deep end. You would not have convinced him of anything - you would not have changed his mind - you would have just "provoked" him further and no good would have come of it. Think of it like trying to reason with yayati.
The bottom line is that you cannot debate a lunatic and this man was obviously off the deep end. You would not have convinced him of anything - you would not have changed his mind - you would have just "provoked" him further and no good would have come of it. Think of it like trying to reason with yayati.
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lavender, sounds like he deserved a good kick in the teeth.
someone should have done it. and that employee should not have gone and calmed him down, he should have told hime "get the fuck out of here"
someone should have done it. and that employee should not have gone and calmed him down, he should have told hime "get the fuck out of here"
SINthysist
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Afraid to do the right thing?
When they said let's roll, would you have said, "I might get hurt."
When the jackboots came for your neighbor, would you say, "Well she's only a jew."
TAKE SOME LESSONS Counselor! Don't live in fear. Get hit! Press charges! Sue the fucker!
DAMN I THOUGHT YOU WUZ A TEXAS WOMAN!
When they said let's roll, would you have said, "I might get hurt."
When the jackboots came for your neighbor, would you say, "Well she's only a jew."
TAKE SOME LESSONS Counselor! Don't live in fear. Get hit! Press charges! Sue the fucker!
DAMN I THOUGHT YOU WUZ A TEXAS WOMAN!
Mischka
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The right thing? What exactly would that have been, AJ? The guy was yelling at an elderly woman, standing over her, and making threatening gestures. One of the counter guys walked over and started talking to him. Was lavender supposed to argue the historical inaccuracies of his rant? Physically accost him? She's not all that tall, and this guy was not exactly the most rational of people. She chose instead to help calm the woman. Would she have better served the situation by screaming at the loonie?
I wasn't there. I don't know what I would have done. I'm a much bigger hothead than lavender, though, and I have been known to confront strangers about their inappropriate behavior (smacking a small child, yelling derogatory remarks at passing women, locking a dog in the car in the summer, etc.). But unless you are actually there, and are confronted with that particular situation, you don't know how you would react. I may have become mute at such an absurb scene. I may have hauled off and hit him (finals are a great time for pent up stress).
I vehemently disgree with your characterization of lavender as a coward because she didn't do what you characterize as "the right thing" without even explaining what that would have been.
I wasn't there. I don't know what I would have done. I'm a much bigger hothead than lavender, though, and I have been known to confront strangers about their inappropriate behavior (smacking a small child, yelling derogatory remarks at passing women, locking a dog in the car in the summer, etc.). But unless you are actually there, and are confronted with that particular situation, you don't know how you would react. I may have become mute at such an absurb scene. I may have hauled off and hit him (finals are a great time for pent up stress).
I vehemently disgree with your characterization of lavender as a coward because she didn't do what you characterize as "the right thing" without even explaining what that would have been.
SINthysist
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Yes, that is what she should have done!
I would have. My wife would have.
As for the rest, since I am on her big-time ignore, I'm just baiting her a little. Challenging her manhood
. Takes a lot to make her pay attention, and since I am all about attention, or at least accused of it.
I would have hit the phucker. Lawyer or not. I think that sometimes lawyers begin to think they're tequila drinkers. You know, 7 foot tall, bulletproof, able to act with impunity.
I would have. My wife would have.
As for the rest, since I am on her big-time ignore, I'm just baiting her a little. Challenging her manhood
. Takes a lot to make her pay attention, and since I am all about attention, or at least accused of it.I would have hit the phucker. Lawyer or not. I think that sometimes lawyers begin to think they're tequila drinkers. You know, 7 foot tall, bulletproof, able to act with impunity.
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Well no wonder
Dude if you're on her big time ignore you might as well divorce her.SINthysist said:
SINthysist
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LOL
For the record.
Lavy not my wife. I have her on ignore. She's yelling at me to throw more wood on the fire.
For the record.
Lavy not my wife. I have her on ignore. She's yelling at me to throw more wood on the fire.
PowerOfOne
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Laughter
Lavender, my response posted was purely for humor. Lighten up, please. I am beginning to wonder if people that post at Literotica have forgotten how to smile, to laugh and to find humor instead of being so serious and causing themselves unnecessary ulcers. I apologize if you thought the response was in anyway serious. Merry Christmas.
lavender said:
Lavender, my response posted was purely for humor. Lighten up, please. I am beginning to wonder if people that post at Literotica have forgotten how to smile, to laugh and to find humor instead of being so serious and causing themselves unnecessary ulcers. I apologize if you thought the response was in anyway serious. Merry Christmas.
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damn, i'd so be in jail for homicide if someone tried that on me. on the first step he would have made toward me, i would have opened him up something fierce w/o thinking.
i can easily brush threats and attacks off if they are meant to get some sort of reaction from me, to bully me, or to make the attacker look big. fuck, i've been doing that ever since i started interacting with other human beings. but if someone gets all fucking irate over some stupid difference of opinion, that's when i get pissed and very jumpy. and if someone comes at me in such a scinareo, i'll act first and think later; that someone is obviously too irrational to reason with or calm down, so my actions from that point on reflect that. and it's not like i'm very rational at that moment in time, either. people like that fucking get my goat every fucking time!
i'd have to agree with everybody and say that your way was definently the right way to handle the situation, lavy, but i've never been one to ever choose the right way to handle things when i myself am in a predicament(sp?).
i can easily brush threats and attacks off if they are meant to get some sort of reaction from me, to bully me, or to make the attacker look big. fuck, i've been doing that ever since i started interacting with other human beings. but if someone gets all fucking irate over some stupid difference of opinion, that's when i get pissed and very jumpy. and if someone comes at me in such a scinareo, i'll act first and think later; that someone is obviously too irrational to reason with or calm down, so my actions from that point on reflect that. and it's not like i'm very rational at that moment in time, either. people like that fucking get my goat every fucking time!
i'd have to agree with everybody and say that your way was definently the right way to handle the situation, lavy, but i've never been one to ever choose the right way to handle things when i myself am in a predicament(sp?).
SINthysist
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Lavy
One: You were with a friend. Bullies will not stand up to numbers. If he were that loud, who knows who else would have enjoined you.
Two: You could have got to a phone, dialed 911, and simply stated, i am witnissing an assult on a senior citizen. I am afraid it will turn into battery. i fear for her well-being and fear that I will be the victim of battery if I step in to intercede on her behalf.
Three: You let down another human being in her time of need. No one asked you to give your life, like those heroes of 9-11, but you still should have been that woman's heroin.
If I were looking for a lawyer, I sure as hell would want one that would fight for me...
One: You were with a friend. Bullies will not stand up to numbers. If he were that loud, who knows who else would have enjoined you.
Two: You could have got to a phone, dialed 911, and simply stated, i am witnissing an assult on a senior citizen. I am afraid it will turn into battery. i fear for her well-being and fear that I will be the victim of battery if I step in to intercede on her behalf.
Three: You let down another human being in her time of need. No one asked you to give your life, like those heroes of 9-11, but you still should have been that woman's heroin.
If I were looking for a lawyer, I sure as hell would want one that would fight for me...
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Funny how easy it is to have a big mouth and be all offended and righteous ...................on an internet board.
But in real life, you do nothing because you are afraid he might have hit you.
I thought for some reason, that you were planning on being an attorney. IF that's the case, God help you if you ever get a client that's violent or unpredictable and you screw up.
For shame.
But in real life, you do nothing because you are afraid he might have hit you.
I thought for some reason, that you were planning on being an attorney. IF that's the case, God help you if you ever get a client that's violent or unpredictable and you screw up.
For shame.
I think that you should have stayed out of it. You cannot know all that was said or what life experiences the parties involved have in their histories. To me his behavior was violent and you would have been better off calling the police. I would have intervened only if he had made a move towards physical violence.
The history of WW II is filled with atrocities on all sides. To have been a GI and come upon a death camp and the corpses of innocents would explain some of the rage and behavior of these men. I don't know if I would be able to contain my won contempt at a population who stood by and watched the slaughter of millions without protest. I am not excusing the crimes on anyone's part. Let's face it, it was not any nation's finest moment.
In life you have to pick your fights or you end up being ineffectual. You have a kind heart and a sense of fairness coupled with the desire to ensure the rights of all people. This is great Lavender! But, you need to realize that it is not your job to right all the wrongs in the world. If that lady needed help she could have asked for it. I think she did the smartest thing when faced with an irrational response. Apologize and leave as quickly as possible. I would not have argued with the guy as there is no way you would change his mind. It would feed his rage and then give him license to escalate into a physical expression.
The history of WW II is filled with atrocities on all sides. To have been a GI and come upon a death camp and the corpses of innocents would explain some of the rage and behavior of these men. I don't know if I would be able to contain my won contempt at a population who stood by and watched the slaughter of millions without protest. I am not excusing the crimes on anyone's part. Let's face it, it was not any nation's finest moment.
In life you have to pick your fights or you end up being ineffectual. You have a kind heart and a sense of fairness coupled with the desire to ensure the rights of all people. This is great Lavender! But, you need to realize that it is not your job to right all the wrongs in the world. If that lady needed help she could have asked for it. I think she did the smartest thing when faced with an irrational response. Apologize and leave as quickly as possible. I would not have argued with the guy as there is no way you would change his mind. It would feed his rage and then give him license to escalate into a physical expression.
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And yet she showed more courage than you, for ranting about it using an actual identity, as opposed to a completely anonymous one.
For shame indeed, anonymous coward.
Much better that we always act appropriately the instant a situation occurs. Because all of us do, right anonymous coward?
SINthysist
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I see it in this light
What if it were your mother, grandmother, wife, etc. Would you want someone to step in and help? Do you pass stranded motorists? Is your motto better you than me?
What if, and I would never want this to happen, it is purely conjecture, our dear friend Lavy were at a party and the biggest guy there decided to have thier way with her. Should everyone just turn thier eyes as not to get hurt?
Should you be Neville Chaimberlain?
Should you say, yeah, the twin towers got blown up, but I live in Kansas City and I don't want to be next.
These are really all the same scenarios, just a matter of degree.
I see the thread as, deep down, she knows she was wrong to some degree and maybe a little ashamed after the fact, but if she can get enough close friends to say, yeah, maybe, yeah, you probably did the right thing, then she can feel a little bit better about herself.
What if it were your mother, grandmother, wife, etc. Would you want someone to step in and help? Do you pass stranded motorists? Is your motto better you than me?
What if, and I would never want this to happen, it is purely conjecture, our dear friend Lavy were at a party and the biggest guy there decided to have thier way with her. Should everyone just turn thier eyes as not to get hurt?
Should you be Neville Chaimberlain?
Should you say, yeah, the twin towers got blown up, but I live in Kansas City and I don't want to be next.
These are really all the same scenarios, just a matter of degree.
I see the thread as, deep down, she knows she was wrong to some degree and maybe a little ashamed after the fact, but if she can get enough close friends to say, yeah, maybe, yeah, you probably did the right thing, then she can feel a little bit better about herself.
