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Jon Carroll - April 8, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle

Archimedes, as every schoolchild no longer knows, was famous for leaping from his bathtub and running naked through the streets of Syracuse, shouting the name of a Northern California town.

"Arcata! Arcata!" he shouted, which is Greek for "Buy organic! Buy organic!"

Archimedes was excited about the displacement of water. He had been asked to determine whether a ceremonial crown was pure gold or not, and he realized that he could determine its volume by throwing it in water and see how much fluid it displaced.

Turned out the crown was not pure gold. Oh, there was hell to pay in Syracuse. This is the Syracuse in Sicily, not the Syracuse in New York, which means that the hell to pay probably involved a lot of people who looked like Tony Soprano. Archimedes himself looked like Uncle Junior. See how I make history come alive!

But the really cool thing that Archimedes did was this: He discovered pi. I mean, what have you done lately? What have any of us done lately, compared with discovering pi? In discovering pi, he also discovered C=pi r²; he could hardly avoid it.

He discovered pi, which means that you can't. Indeed, you can't discover any of the basic cool things anymore because someone beat you to it. Earth goes around the sun: Check. North American continent: There it is. South Pole: Been there, done that.

What can you do? You could discover a comet and get your name on it, but you'd have to stare at the night sky all the time and lose what semblance of a life you still have, and you'd still have to share credit with some guy in Wyoming. The Barton-You comet, much too far away to be seen by the naked eye.

Maybe you could discover a fossil in your backyard, although the Bay Area does not seem to be a particularly fertile place for fossils. Dinosaurs apparently did not once roam the hills of Oakland. But even if you discovered it, you'd have to call in experts to verify it and tell you what it is, and all you'd get is a silly newspaper photo of yourself pointing to a hole in the ground.

Archimedes, by contrast, got lucrative contracts to design catapults.

Of course, there are many things left to discover. The nature of the universe: still not pinned down. Apparently this whole string theory/11 dimensions thing is gaining ground, but there's no way that you are going to be shedding light on the debate.

"I was in the bathtub, and I found the seventh dimension floating on the water. I mistook it for soap scum, until I looked closer and saw an infinite number of parallel universes."

As I understand it -- and remember, I saw this on public television, so it must be right -- people believe that the 11-dimensions thing must be right because "the math is so elegant." Is there a chance in hell that you are going to produce some elegant math before you join the choir invisible? Nope.

You know this whole creationism thing? I think it's happening because people are frustrated about there being nothing more to discover. What better workaround than to discover something that has already been discovered? I could discover the South Pole again, and announce that it's actually in a different place altogether. It's in France. Come drink the wine of the South Pole!

You could, of course, discover the secrets of the human soul, but haven't they already been pretty much discovered? Our frail and jittery longing for transcendence -- hasn't that been pretty well documented? Our sullen courage in the face of existential dread -- that was featured on Oprah just last week. And the mysteries of love -- are they not all covered in the lyrics of popular songs?

Would that we lived in the Victorian age, where people could stare at butterflies and catalog rocks and generally feel useful. But we don't. In the 21st century, we stare at butterflies and feel useless. It's not a good thing.

We weep because there are no more worlds to conquer, and no fresh bathtubs to sit in and see the world in wet new light.
 
Smiles~

Is being turned on by intellect, a fetish...? Smiles!

I loved this concept...only I believe there's more.
Levitation...Speed of light propulsion...Warp drive.
The Suns radiation repellant for space travel...
Seems that space may be the final frontier.
But what of its core and the magnetic balance
that sustains us...we have yet to master.
World peace? Or is it just not human nature?
(perhaps that's not a discovery)
Discovery of cures is sure to come for cancers
and longer life. Time travel, is it really unobtainable?
Or perhaps thats the aliens that are proping our world.
Or a whole lot of imaginations running wild.

A very close friend designed an engine that ran on
air, started by a battery but once going it ran itself.
Went to patent it...and it had been created already
and purchased by...you guessed it the Automobile
industry. Why they haven't come out with it yet?
(I could go on ...but gotta run I'll be back)
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Nothing left to discover? Really?

Well here's one we guys have been agonising over since we crawled down from the trees:

"What do women want?"
 
rgraham666 said:
"What do women want?"
I daresay that's something to be discovered on an individual basis. Isn't it fun?

Perdita ;)
 
perdita said:
Jon Carroll - April 8, 2004, San Francisco Chronicle

You know this whole creationism thing? I think it's happening because people are frustrated about there being nothing more to discover.

We weep because there are no more worlds to conquer, and no fresh bathtubs to sit in and see the world in wet new light.


I once read a story about mankind going mad because there was nothing new to learn. Everything about everything had been discovered including a way for everyone to know everything.

I don't remember the title or the author's name and I'm too lazy to search for it. Plus, someone here probably knows it anyway.

Teach
 
Just to be clarify what I think here. I understand the idea of no more to "discover", but I see it as very different than how much there is to learn, or discover individually (I discovered something new about myself just last week, and new friends manage to discover new things about me too.) I also presume Carroll had his funny tongue in his cheek.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Just to be clarify what I think here. I understand the idea of no more to "discover", but I see it as very different than how much there is to learn, or discover individually (I discovered something new about myself just last week, and new friends manage to discover new things about me too.) I also presume Carroll had his funny tongue in his cheek.

Perdita

So that's why you named the thread "article: philosophical humour." I learn something every day.

Teach
 
Wow, Great feedback~

I think it's safe to say that as long as there
is death there is still something to discover.
The medical field is making new discoveries
all the time. And probably will till death is
conquered.

So even if all has been discovered. The youth
that attend schools to learn would discover
new ways to learn faster. For all learn at different
paces.

A world with nothing left to discover?
I have to think of star wars and all the different
planetary species. I believe we still have a lot to
discover. Even if it's discovery of ourselves and our
emotions. There is still lack of emotional control.
Wars...fueds...divorce...crime...love...SEX!
 
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My Erotic Tail said:
I think it's safe to say that as long as there is death there is still something to discover.
MET: you put that well. Do you know that in Hamlet death is called the "undiscovered country"? It's in the "to be or not to be" soliloquy (Act 3, sc. 1).

... the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns


Perdita
 
Smiles~

Wow I have read that but didn't recall it.

I think this is an interesting topic.
Even a wonderful Idea for a story...
Do you have one in mind?(*_*)
 
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perdita said:
MET: you put that well. Do you know that in Hamlet death is called the "undiscovered country"? It's in the "to be or not to be" soliloquy (Act 3, sc. 1).

... the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns


Perdita
All due respect, perdita, but if death is simply extinction, then no-one would return to say anything, would they?

Life isn't a rehearsal. Do it, or don't do it, but if you're going to, do it now!

f5
 
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fifty5 said:
All due respect, perdita, but if death is simply extinction, then no-one would return to say anything, would they?
Life isn't a rehearsal. Do it, or don't do it, but if you're going to, do it now!
f5, I was making no pronouncement on what death is, only relating it to life outside of definitions. Yet your statement called to mind another favourite quote from Hamlet (Act 5, scene 2). The boy finally "gets it" and knows he is going to die. He tells his best mate, Horatio,

,,, we defy augury: there's a special
providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now,
'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be
now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the
readiness is all


I love that bit I put in bold.

best, Perdita
 
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perdita said:
f5, I was making no pronouncement on what death is, only relating it to life outside of definitions. Yet your statement called to mind another favourite quote from Hamlet (Act 5, scene 2). The boy finally "gets it" and knows he is going to die. He tells his best mate, Horatio,

,,, we defy augury: there's a special
providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now,
'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be
now; if it be not now, yet it will come: the
readiness is all


I love that bit I put in bold.

best, Perdita
Well, I'm ready if you are...

OK, soz for the jocularity. Bill S really did know writing. It'll tell you much more about me than about him to learn that I prefer the comedies to the histories: seen and enjoyed a number of 'Dreams' but left Henry during the interval...

Sad maybe, but mostly happy...

f5
 
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fifty5 said:
... It'll tell you much more about me than about him to learn that I prefer the comedies to the histories: seen and enjoyed a number of 'Dreams' but left Henry during the interval...
Ack! I'm so disappointed. MND is the least fave comedy, at present it's Twelfth Night. I love the histories, the Lancastrian tetralogy (Richard II, Henry IV 1&2 and Henry V). The IV's have great hilarity, you're missing out, mate. ;) I recommend them too to any males who want to learn about being fathers and/or sons.

Perdita
 
Archimedes did not "discover Pi". It was certainly known to the Babylonians and the Egyptians and probably to any civilization that did any building (although the Egyptians thought Pi was equal to 22/7. Close, but no cigar. Good enough for the pyramids, though)

Sometrime in the nineteenth century there was serious discussion in the US about shutting down the patent office because everything useful had been discovered. Some physicists felt the same way about physics after Maxwell's equations, that the books could be closed and all that remained was to tidy up a few equations. This was just a few years before Roentgen discovered X-rays, which that led to the development of atomic theory and the quantum physics.

The idea for the optical laser came to a guy who was on the verge of falling asleep. The blue light-emitting diode was invented a couple of years ago by a Japanese guy with no formal advanced scientific training.

There's a story of a lecturer back around 1870 who was talking about the limits of science and used the stars as an example of something we would never know. There was simply no way we would ever know what they were made of. In the same building at the same time, so the story goes, Rayleigh was attaching a prism to a telescope and observing first hand the spectral lines of the elements in the stars light years away.

---dr.M.
 
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perdita said:
Ack! I'm so disappointed. MND is the least fave comedy, at present it's Twelfth Night. I love the histories, the Lancastrian tetralogy (Richard II, Henry IV 1&2 and Henry V). The IV's have great hilarity, you're missing out, mate. ;) I recommend them too to any males who want to learn about being fathers and/or sons.

Perdita
I'm sure you're right, Perdita. There's no way I'm daft enough to think that it's everyone else that's out of step. I guess my only way to get into them would be to work on a production (it's amazing what seeing a full run, with time and light to read the notes as well as watch the stage, can do).

I wonder if my lousy memory for names has anything to do with my lack of appreciation. When I have difficulty remembering who's who, following the what and why goes below par as well.

Ho hum...

f5
 
f5, try this, I posted it in another thread, but why not expose others to great drama, eh?

Perdita
 
perdita said:
f5, try this, I posted it in another thread, but why not expose others to great drama, eh?

Perdita
I liked that, but then R & J is so true to life - whenever something could be beautiful and right, we fuck it up through our own, inexplicable, incomprehensible stupidity - even given an IQ of 200! :(

f5
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Archimedes did not "discover Pi".
Hey, Doc...   You might have noticed that one, but not that C ain't πr².       a=πr²       c=2πr ... (To check that, integrate the first expression to give the second.   :nana: )

:cool:

f5
 
fifty5 said:
Hey, Doc...   You might have noticed that one, but not that C ain't πr².       a=πr²       c=2πr ... (To check that, integrate the first expression to give the second.   :nana: )

:cool:

f5

You're right. I didn't even notice it. Except I think you take the first derivative of (pi)r^2 with respect to r to get the second. But I might be wrong. It's been a while.

---dr.M.
 
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NO, no, no

Pi are not square.

Pi are round.

Cake are square.

Sorry. I'm in a silly mood… still.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
You're right. I didn't even notice it. Except I think you take the first derivative of (pi)r^2 with respect to r to get the second. But I might be wrong. It's been a while.

---dr.M.
Bloody hell, Doc, you're right - differentiate πr² (with respect, as you say, to r) to get 2πr   -   or integrate 2πr to get πr²

Now you've got me trying to remember when I last did any calculus - and I can't!  It must be getting on for 30 years...

Shit, I feel old!

f5
 
Mind you, I know lots more about html-entities (like π and ² ) than I did then...

:cool:

f5 (who only discovered tonight that these Lit fora accept and handle html-entities...)
 
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