Arizona GOP bill forces women to tell their boss why they're using birth control

[mercury14]

You can't make this stuff up. Arizona Republicans say you have to tell your boss why you're on the pill.

"Hey Linda, come on into my office I want to talk to you."
"Yes boss?"
"I want to know if you're fuckin' somebody or if you're takin' that just to regulate your periods. You have to tell me. It's a State law honey..."

The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 6-2 Monday to endorse a controversial bill that would allow Arizona employers the right to deny health insurance coverage for contraceptives based on religious objections.

Arizona House Bill 2625, authored by Majority Whip Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, would permit employers to ask their employees for proof of medical prescription if they seek contraceptives for non-reproductive purposes, such as hormone control or acne treatment.

“I believe we live in America. We don’t live in the Soviet Union,” Lesko said. “So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom and pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs.”

Lesko said this bill responds to a contraceptive mandate in the federal Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed into law March 2010.

“My whole legislation is about our First Amendment rights and freedom of religion,” Lesko said. “All my bill does is that an employer can opt out of the mandate if they have any religious objections.”

Glendale resident Liza Love said the bill would impose on women’s rights to keep their medical records private.

Love spoke to the committee about her struggle with polycystic ovary syndrome and endometriosis, conditions requiring her to use birth control.

“I wouldn’t mind showing my employer my medical records,” Love said. “But there are 10 women behind me that would be ashamed to do so.”

Planned Parenthood Arizona President Bryan Howard said he opposes HB 2625 and any bill against the accessibility of women’s health care in Arizona.

“The bill is part of the assault on women’s health care across the country,” Howard said.

Howard said there haven’t been any complaints from insurance companies since 2002, when Arizona passed the Contraceptive Equity Law , a measure prohibiting religious employers from denying its employees contraceptives for non-contraceptive purposes.

“This is an attack on women’s health care and their ability to make health care decisions for themselves and their families according to their faith,” Howard said.

http://www.statepress.com/2012/03/1...ee-endorses-controversial-contraceptive-bill/

 

[Dribble]

It just doesn't get any better. Any woman that even thinks of voting Republican is seriously deficient. I can think of many reasons why white men like the GOP.

 

[shoulderblade]

You can't make this stuff up. Arizona Republicans say you have to tell your boss why you're on the pill.

Right. Will this not simply drive Women out of the State? I was reading that in one Chinese Province the male to female ratio was 147 to 100, the reason was apparently that urban life seemed more appealing so women just left.

 

[Ishmael]

Right. Will this not simply drive Women out of the State? I was reading that in one Chinese Province the male to female ratio was 147 to 100, the reason was apparently that urban life seemed more appealing so women just left.

Right numbers, wrong reason.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We hunted and we dug until we could find another "Republican" label to be offended over...



This is just another in a long series by merc designed to convince people that Obama should be reelected even as he assures us that Obama is going to win no matter what.

'Cause Republicans are stinky and stuff...

 

[Ishmael]

We hunted and we dug until we could find another "Republican" label to be offended over...



This is just another in a long series by merc designed to convince people that Obama should be reelected even as he assures us that Obama is going to win no matter what.

'Cause Republicans are stinky and stuff...

The law, if enacted, will have little impact one way or the other. Further, those that are railing against the law have twisted what is actually happening in their twisted little minds. Fortunately more seem to realize what's happening than not.

I'm left to wonder whether he, and his ilk, are purposely misrepresenting the issue or if they truly believe what they're saying? It's the difference between tyranny and ignorance.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They say these things to everyone they know and everyone they know agrees with the basic premise. As Tom Brokaw posited, yes, the MSM is left of center, but that's where America really is (because everyone he knows, works with and lives with is left of center) so anything slightly right of center is past the center which is the rightmost reasonable position and thus "radical," hateful," and "oppressive."

Therefore all of these attacks are noble, just and necessary to make sure that tolerance, diversity and discussion remain on the side of the majority of all the people who actually matter in the discussion.

As a side-effect of the conclusion, anytime the Left wins an election, they have a mandate to force their moral code upon the entire nation, but any time the Right wins an election, they have no such mandate. It is simply wrong to force your morality on anyone.



That's the politest way I can put it.

 

[Ishmael]

The bill, as introduced, actually removes 'force' from the equation. No one is forced to do anything, particularly anything to which they have deeply held moral objections. The bill awkwardly attempts to address the fact that there are legitimate medical reasons for the prescription of 'birth control' medication other than conditions related to reproduction. In that instance the woman, in this case, can come forth and present evidence as to why she should receive special dispensation. However, she is not 'forced' to do so. That decision is as elective as an employers decision not to obtain insurance that covers contraceptives.

The entire premise of the arguments on the part of the opponents of this bill is that somehow these women have the God given right to demand of others that which they are unwilling to provide for themselves.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is the core philosophy of Altruistic Polity that not only do some have the right to demand of the Community Largess but that others have the duty to surrender their acquired largess to the Community.

This may be the root of merc's consternation, that someone deny that right to any woman for then they might demand that right be denied to a man.

 

[mercury14]

No dumbasses, this has NOTHING at all to do with Obama. The fact that you're both scrambling to change the subject says just one thing: neither of you can stomach what conservatives are doing to women in America. You're even unable to defend the actions of your own ideological base. You've gotten to the point where you don't even try.

 

[Ishmael]

No dumbasses, this has NOTHING at all to do with Obama. The fact that you're both scrambling to change the subject says just one thing: neither of you can stomach what conservatives are doing to women in America. You're even unable to defend the actions of your own ideological base. You've gotten to the point where you don't even try.

Idiot.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No dumbasses, this has NOTHING at all to do with Obama. The fact that you're both scrambling to change the subject says just one thing: neither of you can stomach what conservatives are doing to women in America. You're even unable to defend the actions of your own ideological base. You've gotten to the point where you don't even try.

Conservatives are not doing one thing to women in America.

Liberals have decided to invent an issue out of whole cloth.

Beats discussing gas prices and the immorality of looting the middle class to pay for imaginary benefits such as every single woman in AMerica requiring the most expensive possible birth control method...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Idiot.

Ishmael

Speaking of the phrase in the OP "making stuff up," it seems to come naturally and easily to the mercury14 crowd...


http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=800325

 

[pornstarwannabe]

You can't make this stuff up. Arizona Republicans say you have to tell your boss why you're on the pill.

"Hey Linda, come on into my office I want to talk to you."
"Yes boss?"
"I want to know if you're fuckin' somebody or if you're takin' that just to regulate your periods. You have to tell me. It's a State law honey..."

Linda: "Because you are a Liberal that's been pressuring me to have sex with you. I have to protect myself. Rapist"

 

[RobDownSouth]

I think it's humorous that the two people smugly passin' judgement on women using birth control are

• Ishmael (who hasn't had sex with a woman in 20 years without direct financial compensation involved)
• 4est_4est_Gump (who has been sterile his whole life)

Get amicus in here and we'll have a misogyny trifecta.

Having said that, the proposed law is perfectly in line with the Glibertarian philosophy of "Get the government out of our lives so we lower class white males can keep control of our women".

 

[mercury14]

Conservatives are not doing one thing to women in America.

Liberals have decided to invent an issue out of whole cloth.

Beats discussing gas prices and the immorality of looting the middle class to pay for imaginary benefits such as every single woman in AMerica requiring the most expensive possible birth control method...

Yet they're passing laws forcing women who want abortions to get ultrasounds that they do not want and their doctors are not suggesting - or are actually opposed to providing.

At first it was specifically a vaginal ultrasound in order to make the procedure even more intimidating. The hope was that some women would take one look at the trans-vaginal wand and decide against an abortion. There's certainly no medical reason why it a vaginal probe would be required. But that's okay - Republicans are the ones who decide medical procedures, not doctors and CERTAINLY not women. Because women can't be trusted to make the right decisions for their own bodies can they?

And if a doctor objects to being forced by Republicans to perform medical procedures he feels are unwarranted or unethical? Too bad! Republicans are kicking the doctor out of the doctor's office.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

I recall a famous person (a male) saying that they could NEVER vote Republican because of the abortion issue. And I though to myself, of all the issues that are important this guy glams on to that one. Not taxes, not spending, not freedom. But abortion.

If women want to vote Liberal over this unimportant issue, then they can do so. But I hope they don't complain when the economy is still in the crapper, when spending does not come down, when Mexican drug cartels continue to overrun our southern border, etc, etc.

 

[mercury14]

Beats discussing gas prices and the immorality of looting the middle class to pay for imaginary benefits such as every single woman in AMerica requiring the most expensive possible birth control method...

We're looting the middle class to provide whatnow? And you're still insisting there are death panels out there and Obama can euthanize your grandma?

Your paranoia runs deep.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Because women can't be trusted to make the right decisions for their own bodies can they?

As Newt Gingrich so famously opined years ago, women can't serve in combat because they're subject to, um, "infections", every 28 days or so. It impacts their decision makin' abilities.

That's why they need men in their life...big strong Glibertarian men, preferably white, who are able and willing to make decisions for them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yet they're passing laws forcing women who want abortions to get ultrasounds that they do not want and their doctors are not suggesting - or are actually opposed to providing.

At first it was specifically a vaginal ultrasound in order to make the procedure even more intimidating. The hope was that some women would take one look at the trans-vaginal wand and decide against an abortion. There's certainly no medical reason why it a vaginal probe would be required. But that's okay - Republicans are the ones who decide medical procedures, not doctors and CERTAINLY not women. Because women can't be trusted to make the right decisions for their own bodies can they?

And if a doctor objects to being forced by Republicans to perform medical procedures he feels are unwarranted or unethical? Too bad! Republicans are kicking the doctor out of the doctor's office.

That no where near as bad as a President who happily votes to murder the survivors of Abortion.

Will you be there when the woman gets a little older and begins to regret her decision and realize how she was devalued by the Liberal knee-jerk reflex to make sure that their men are never responsible for their actions?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How can a woman be trusted to make her own decisions when we are telling her that abortion has been provided to her legally because she cannot control herself and make sound decisions concerning what happens to her womb?

 

[mercury14]

The bill, as introduced, actually removes 'force' from the equation. No one is forced to do anything, particularly anything to which they have deeply held moral objections.

And you can say the exact same thing about the insurance mandate to cover birth control. No one is forced to do anything they have deep moral objections to. The Catholic Church doesn't even have to provide health insurance at all.

The bill awkwardly attempts to address the fact that there are legitimate medical reasons for the prescription of 'birth control' medication other than conditions related to reproduction. In that instance the woman, in this case, can come forth and present evidence as to why she should receive special dispensation. However, she is not 'forced' to do so. That decision is as elective as an employers decision not to obtain insurance that covers contraceptives.

And a woman (or a man) should NEVER have to justify their personal reproductive care decisions that they make with their doctor. But it's not just that - if someone is having gall bladder surgery they should not have to tell their employer that either. It should be enough that they have a doctor's note excusing X number of sick days. A person should never have to talk about the specifics of their medical care to their employer. (barring certain conditions that require obvious accommodations and even then details should be limited if the patient wishes)

The entire premise of the arguments on the part of the opponents of this bill is that somehow these women have the God given right to demand of others that which they are unwilling to provide for themselves.

No that's not it at all actually.

 

[mercury14]

How can a woman be trusted to make her own decisions when we are telling her that abortion has been provided to her legally because she cannot control herself and make sound decisions concerning what happens to her womb?

Abortions are legal. Women can get six of them. It's none of your business.

 

[mercury14]

That no where near as bad as a President who happily votes to murder the survivors of Abortion.

Will you be there when the woman gets a little older and begins to regret her decision and realize how she was devalued by the Liberal knee-jerk reflex to make sure that their men are never responsible for their actions?

DEFLECT!
DEFLECT!
DEFLECT!


You're no libertarian.

The best part is that Republicans in Virginia who mandate these ultrasounds against medical advice and against the free will of patients... well they also mandated that women pay for the ultrasounds that they don't want.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Abortions are legal. Women can get six of them. It's none of your business.

That's right and now they also want post birth abortion.

Why not just put every single life up to a vote, or better yet, an iPAB...



Or we can make like Washington State and demand that the public pay for all abortion.

Murder is good, it is green, and why would we punish any woman for a mistake?

Women are just not clear thinkers seems to be the message of the Left.

But that's not misogyny, just fact...