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Juan R Posadas was no ordinary Trotskyite; socialists from outer space, the benefits of nuclear war and communication with dolphins were all part of his revolutionary programme. Matt Salusbury tells the story of one of the World’s strangest political thinkers.

We think of UFO cults, typically, as being naïve, fancy-dress Californian affairs, scary religious Doomsday sects, or even neo-Nazi groups convinced that flying saucers operate from a secret Antarctic base. But there was one UFO cult at the opposite end of the political spectrum: a Trotskyite UFO cult.

They called themselves the Posadists after their founder Juan R Posadas and, like many UFO cults, they bore a fierce loyalty to their “dear master”.1 They believed that close encounters were evidence of superior socialist civilisations from Earth’s future. Their bizarre belief in flying saucers was not channelled to them by some tackily-named space entity but “theoretically informed” by Marx and Trotsky, and was for them a logical extension of Marxist dialectical materialism. Posadas wrote: “We will travel to planets millions of light years away under a Socialist society.”

Their founder was a leading light of Latin American Trotskyism, one of a select group running the Fourth International (see ‘Posadism for Beginners’ side bar) after Leon Trotsky’s death. Alongside their esoteric texts on “flying saucers, the process of matter and energy, science, the revolutionary class struggle and the Socialist future of humanity,” 2 they also preached more orthodox Marxism and strove tirelessly to bring about world revolution. Posadist Fourth International affiliates worked to organise trade unions, often operating clandestinely under dictatorships. Some ‘comrades’ even lost their lives in the struggle.
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It was in the heady summer of 1968 that Posadas’ stargazing tendencies finally led him to leave behind the earthbound World Revolution and turn his thoughts to “other galaxies and solar systems” where “they can eliminate the ruling class”. Posadas began to boldly go where no Marxist theory had gone before and announced that “dialectic concepts can permit the existence of UFOs and other life-forms.”
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And there is a Marxist explanation for why the UFOs visit but do not stay: “Capitalism doesn’t interest the UFO pilots, which is why they do not return. Similarly, the Soviet bureaucracy (doesn’t interest them) as they don’t have perspective.”

UFOs, predicts Posadas, will show a greater interest in us “at the moment of the collapse of the bourgeoisie and the General Strike.” Star Trek fans will recognise the similarity with the film First Contact, in which Vulcans passing Earth only show an interest in humans after they have developed warp drive.
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But the true strangeness of the phenomenon that was Posadism lies in the fact that much of the Posadists’ activity was of a ruthlessly rationalist character. Their British Section – the Revolutionary Workers’ Party – was a typical Trot organisation. Its members got into trouble in the Vauxhall and Austin car factories for their industrial militancy around the ‘United Car Worker’ group. They were as preoccupied as any other Trot group with sneaking members into the Labour Party and with a Monty Python’s Life of Brian Judean People’s Front/People’s Front of Judea style feud with their near-identical rivals, the Workers’ Revolutionary Party, with whom they had frequent scraps and fisticuffs.

Author: Matt Salusbury - His job as a teacher working with Kurdish refugees covers his secret identity as a freelance journalist, contributing to BBC History magazine and the sci-fi fanzine This Way Up.

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Perdita,

Bless you for sharing that. My only complaint being over the amount of sleep I'll now lose. Hence forth, I'll be tossing and turning trying to come up with a story idea that could use:
no ordinary Trotskyite; socialists from outer space
as a title. Of course, that semi-colon will have to go. :) Got to love that line.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Glad you enjoyed that, Rumps. Where will the smut feature?

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Glad you enjoyed that, Rumps. Where will the smut feature?

Perdita
Perdita,

I'm still working on the where.

Let's see, Trotskyites believed in permanet revolution and I'm told you gals think most of us guys are always pretty revolting and this would be a Lit story, so, sex would probably be featured everywhere.

Maybe the protag could be an aging Buck Rogers type, might call him, Ruble Rogainsky. And while he is permanently revolting, he is not ordinary because he hangs around after sex to talk, at least long enough to finish a cigarette.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
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I thought good Communists were supposed to be atheists!

God, UFOs, what's the difference?

And what's so great about severely rational? The bleedin' Holocaust was rational. Well, the impulse behind it was evil and mad. But the way it was planned and carried out was entirely rational.
 
It is just another proof that fundamentalists and fanatics for ANY cause just don't have a sense of humour.

If they had, they'd spend most of the time laughing at themselves and would cease to be fanatics.

Og
 
This would mean so much more to me if I hadn't known that alcoholism was a common disease among the Russian communists.
 
perdita said:
Trots in Space

Aha! The penny's just dropped. That's how the Muppet Show came up with Pigs in Space!

Trotskys - Communism - Orwell - Animal Farm - Pigs

And there is a Marxist explanation for why the UFOs visit but do not stay: “Capitalism doesn’t interest the UFO pilots, which is why they do not return. Similarly, the Soviet bureaucracy (doesn’t interest them) as they don’t have perspective.”

Huh? What I wanna know is: how do they know?

I guess they do a survey, each time contact is made...

Would you return to Earth? If the answer is "NO!" please tick all relevent boxes.

:rolleyes:

Cool article, Perdita.

Lou
 
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Tatelou said:
Trotskys - Communism - Orwell - Animal Farm - Pigs
I'm sure there's a CIA file on that. :rolleyes: Poor Kermie. P.
 
Don't feel sorry for that little green commie, Perdita! Surely, you've seen through his weak disguise? Kermit - Kamrade..?

It's so transparent!
 
And that Miss Piggy is a blatant pinko. I wonder if her first name is, Ethel? (no, not Mertz you chowder head--Rosenberg)

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Rumps, are you daft? A pig cannot be kosher. Sheesh!

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Rumps, are you daft? A pig cannot be kosher. Sheesh!

Perdita
Good point. That would be pushing the concept of Reform Judaism into uncharted waters, I suppose.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
perdita said:
Rumps, are you daft? A pig cannot be kosher. Sheesh!

Perdita ]

That's what they want us to think. It's called hiding in plain sight.
 
This thread made me spew Asti Spumanti all over my monitor.

Each and every one of you owes me a replacement!!

:p

~M
 
Mhari said:
This thread made me spew Asti Spumanti all over my monitor.
My cursor was on the last word so I first read it as 'mother'. But I wasn't drinking Asti so I'm fine. Glad to see you, Mhariya.

Perdita :)
 
The revolutionary movement must be spatio-temporally dislocated before it can produce results, I guess...

...perhaps even an ontological dislocation is necessary, thus necessitating a more seriously constructivist approach to popular culture as a medium of transmission for revolutionary messages to the masses.

Consumerism as the precursor to revolution.

I don't think any of what I just wrote makes any sense :p but then, Trotsky's Space Troopers make just about as much.
 
SummerMorning said:
I don't think any of what I just wrote makes any sense
It sounded good, though. I liked "ontological dislocation", sounds serious.

thanks, Perdita ;) :p
 
perdita said:
It sounded good, though. I liked "ontological dislocation", sounds serious.

thanks, Perdita ;) :p
I wonder if I'm ornotholgically dislocated. Folks around here keep saying I'm a bird-brain who has lost his marbles and is out of his mind.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Serious AND painful! Have you been to the doctor, SummerMorning?:( :eek:

Oh yes... I have two doctors, both very pretty and pretty female :) I like to see them as often as possible...

...maybe besides an ontological dislocation I will also have them check out my solipsysmus tautologicum or solipsyst tautological argument :)

:devil:

...what's better than two nurses in short skirts? Two doctors in short skirts... -that's one for the feminism thread!
 
Rumple Foreskin said:
I wonder if I'm ornotholgically dislocated.
Rumps, do you find yourself going "cheep, cheep" regularly? Doyou eat like a bird?

Perdita ;)

Summer AM: Tautologicum - makes my pulse increase. :p
 
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