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Cute test, but I didn't take it.
Yes I guess I am, because I was. Until my arthritis got to bad for me to run after dumbasses like people who can't even spell their troll name right.
What would the world be like with out them?
Who do YOU call when someone is stealing your shit? So forth and so on.
Yes I guess I am, because I was. Until my arthritis got to bad for me to run after dumbasses like people who can't even spell their troll name right.
What would the world be like with out them?
Who do YOU call when someone is stealing your shit? So forth and so on.
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Are you dumb enough to infer that all cops are dumb when they are made up of a general cross section of the populace ranging from dumb to very smart?
I used to work with LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) and still have many friends in LE, and while I know of some dumb ones, I also know some very smart ones, just like every other profession.
What I also know is that most cops are cops because they want to help people, catch the bad guys, and help prevent bad things from happening to innocent people. Even many of the corrupt cops feel that way.
Unfortunately, like other emergency workers (firemen, EMTs/paramedics, etc.) and military personnel, they have a virtually thankless/low paying/high burnout/high risk job, and the few that do go bad taint all the rest because they are in a position of authority.
There is also the factor that some people don't like it when they are caught doing something illegal (such as speeding, petty theft, etc.), so instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they like to moan about how corrupt and stupid cops are.
I used to work with LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) and still have many friends in LE, and while I know of some dumb ones, I also know some very smart ones, just like every other profession.
What I also know is that most cops are cops because they want to help people, catch the bad guys, and help prevent bad things from happening to innocent people. Even many of the corrupt cops feel that way.
Unfortunately, like other emergency workers (firemen, EMTs/paramedics, etc.) and military personnel, they have a virtually thankless/low paying/high burnout/high risk job, and the few that do go bad taint all the rest because they are in a position of authority.
There is also the factor that some people don't like it when they are caught doing something illegal (such as speeding, petty theft, etc.), so instead of taking responsibility for their actions, they like to moan about how corrupt and stupid cops are.
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Dumb Cop?
Well I didn't look at the URL's and don't really want to, but, if they are as negative as the responses her imply they aren't woth the time anyway.
I was a Deputy Sheriff for 9 years and I met several people of the years with the same slant on law enforcement. I won't get into that here except to say not one of the people I ever arrested or sent to prison was rocket scientists.
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Well I didn't look at the URL's and don't really want to, but, if they are as negative as the responses her imply they aren't woth the time anyway.
I was a Deputy Sheriff for 9 years and I met several people of the years with the same slant on law enforcement. I won't get into that here except to say not one of the people I ever arrested or sent to prison was rocket scientists.
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1 - To date, approximately how many officers in the LAPD anti-gang CRASH unit have been relieved of duty, suspended without pay, fired or have quit due to an investigation into that unit's widespread history of murder, beatings, drug dealing, witness intimidation, planting of evidence, false arrest and perjury:
over 5 but less than 10
over 10 but less than 20
over 20 but less than 30
2 - Approximately how many court cases have been overturned due to this investigation into LAPD misconduct:
26
40
52
3 - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, what is the probability that an American born today will spend time in jail:
1 in 20
1 in 153
1 in 1,029
4 - Out of the 41 bullets fired by NYC police officers at Amadou Diallo, how many hit him:
8
19
41
5 - What is the NYPD estimate of the number of bullets they used to kill a bull running loose in NYC last June:
20
39
41
6 - According to the Washington DC police Chief, how many DC officers were assigned to protect a four person neo-nazi mini-march last year:
268
596
1,426
7 - According to the Dept. of Justice, what was the probability that a cop would die on the job in 1998:
1 in 718
1 in 2,683
1 in 4,613
8 - According to the Dept. of labor, what was the probability that a fisherman would die on the job in 1998:
1 in 718
1 in 2,683
1 in 4,613
9 - What was the rank that a 1992 study conducted by the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska gave to the NYPD in a 50-city survey of how well US police departments reflected the racial makeup of their populations (1 being the most representative, 50 being the least):
39
47
50
10 - According to the Sentencing Project, African-American males are incarcerated at:
the same rate as Black males in South Africa
more than four times the rate of Black males in South Africa
more than six times the rate of Black males in South Africa
over 5 but less than 10
over 10 but less than 20
over 20 but less than 30
2 - Approximately how many court cases have been overturned due to this investigation into LAPD misconduct:
26
40
52
3 - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, what is the probability that an American born today will spend time in jail:
1 in 20
1 in 153
1 in 1,029
4 - Out of the 41 bullets fired by NYC police officers at Amadou Diallo, how many hit him:
8
19
41
5 - What is the NYPD estimate of the number of bullets they used to kill a bull running loose in NYC last June:
20
39
41
6 - According to the Washington DC police Chief, how many DC officers were assigned to protect a four person neo-nazi mini-march last year:
268
596
1,426
7 - According to the Dept. of Justice, what was the probability that a cop would die on the job in 1998:
1 in 718
1 in 2,683
1 in 4,613
8 - According to the Dept. of labor, what was the probability that a fisherman would die on the job in 1998:
1 in 718
1 in 2,683
1 in 4,613
9 - What was the rank that a 1992 study conducted by the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska gave to the NYPD in a 50-city survey of how well US police departments reflected the racial makeup of their populations (1 being the most representative, 50 being the least):
39
47
50
10 - According to the Sentencing Project, African-American males are incarcerated at:
the same rate as Black males in South Africa
more than four times the rate of Black males in South Africa
more than six times the rate of Black males in South Africa
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1 - To date, approximately how many officers in the LAPD anti-gang CRASH unit have been relieved of duty, suspended without pay, fired or have quit due to an investigation into that unit's widespread history of murder, beatings, drug dealing, witness intimidation, planting of evidence, false arrest and perjury:
Answer - C. over 20 but less than 30
2 - Approximately how many court cases have been overturned due to this investigation into LAPD misconduct:
Answer - B. 40
3 - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, what is the probability that an American born today will spend time in jail:
Answer - A. 1 in 20
4 - Out of the 41 bullets fired by NYC police officers at Amadou Diallo, how many hit him:
Answer - B. 19
5 - What is the NYPD estimate of the number of bullets they used to kill a bull running loose in NYC last June:
Answer - A. 20
6 - According to the Washington DC police Chief, how many DC officers were assigned to protect a four person neo-nazi mini-march last year:
Answer - C. 1,426
7 - According to the Dept. of Justice, what was the probability that a cop would die on the job in 1998:
Answer - C. 1 in 4,613
8 - According to the Dept. of labor, what was the probability that a fisherman would die on the job in 1998:
Answer - A. 1 in 718
9 - What was the rank that a 1992 study conducted by the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska gave to the NYPD in a 50-city survey of how well US police departments reflected the racial makeup of their populations (1 being the most representative, 50 being the least):
Answer - C. 50
10 - According to the Sentencing Project, African-American males are incarcerated at:
Answer - B. more than four times the rate of Black males in South Africa
Answer - C. over 20 but less than 30
2 - Approximately how many court cases have been overturned due to this investigation into LAPD misconduct:
Answer - B. 40
3 - According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, what is the probability that an American born today will spend time in jail:
Answer - A. 1 in 20
4 - Out of the 41 bullets fired by NYC police officers at Amadou Diallo, how many hit him:
Answer - B. 19
5 - What is the NYPD estimate of the number of bullets they used to kill a bull running loose in NYC last June:
Answer - A. 20
6 - According to the Washington DC police Chief, how many DC officers were assigned to protect a four person neo-nazi mini-march last year:
Answer - C. 1,426
7 - According to the Dept. of Justice, what was the probability that a cop would die on the job in 1998:
Answer - C. 1 in 4,613
8 - According to the Dept. of labor, what was the probability that a fisherman would die on the job in 1998:
Answer - A. 1 in 718
9 - What was the rank that a 1992 study conducted by the Department of Criminal Justice at the University of Nebraska gave to the NYPD in a 50-city survey of how well US police departments reflected the racial makeup of their populations (1 being the most representative, 50 being the least):
Answer - C. 50
10 - According to the Sentencing Project, African-American males are incarcerated at:
Answer - B. more than four times the rate of Black males in South Africa
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Yeah dumb ass we get the point. What is the good of putting the test on here, do you think we will read it now?
And who's next Renegade and Grandma?
And who's next Renegade and Grandma?
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Hoped you would. But maybe you're not the only person on Literotica.
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I keep thinking this thread will just disappear... as it probably should.
But since it is back at the top again, I just thought I would add this little bit.
Number of cops killed in the line of duty....
2001: 225
2000: 150
1999: 143
1998: 174
1997: 178
1996: 147
But since it is back at the top again, I just thought I would add this little bit.
Number of cops killed in the line of duty....
2001: 225
2000: 150
1999: 143
1998: 174
1997: 178
1996: 147
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Sorry to have any of those people die. They are all martyrs for the American way. Doesn't excuse bad cops or blind obedience though.
Not that you'll read it because it doesn't have pictures, but here's to hope:
Why Diallo Had To Die
by Manning Marable
For more than one year, the controversy surrounding the New York murder of Amadou Diallo has made headlines throughout the world. Most people have heard by now about the unarmed African immigrant who was fired on 41 times as he stood in the vestibule of his Bronx apartment building. The police officers, all white and wearing plainclothes, fired on Diallo, striking him 19 times. Weeks ago, when black New Yorkers heard that the policemen were acquitted on all charges for Diallo's death, thousands returned to the streets in protest.
People were outraged not only because the policemen's use of deadly force was not justified, but because every stage of the handling of the Diallo case was compromised and undercut by racism. The fact that Diallo had no criminal record -- and was committing no crime -- was found to be irrelevant. The accused cops took full advantage of New York City's 48-hour gag rule, giving officers involved in shootings two full days to coordinate their stories for the district attorneys' office. The Diallo trial was moved from New York City to Albany, to ensure that potential jurors would be more sympathetic with the police. In short, "justice" was thrown out the window, and the killer cops remain at large.
As disturbing as the Diallo case was, an equally serious example of police brutality has received much less publicity, despite its possibly greater political significance. Less than one year ago in Louisville, Kentucky, an 18-year-old black man, Desmond Rudolph, was confronted by two white police officers, Chris Horn and Paul Kinkade, as he was reportedly stealing a sport-utility vehicle. The officers fired twenty-two times. Ten bullets pierced Rudolph's body, with six shots exploding in his head. Several months later, a criminal investigation cleared the policemen.
Rudolph's killing, however, fit a longtime pattern of racial harassment and intimidation experienced by the black community in Louisville for decades. According to State Representative Paul Bather, who represents much of Louisville's black community, there have been nearly 60 misconduct claims filed against Louisville's police department since 1986, amounting to $3.3 million in total damages.
When Louisville Mayor Dave Armstrong was informed that Officers Horn and Kinkade were among a group of officers to be given honors for valor at an annual police award banquet, he demanded answers from Chief of Police Eugene Sherrard. Armstrong subsequently fired Sherrard, announcing publicly that a "culture" inside the department urgently needed to be changed. "This culture only adds to the hostility of minorities, who feel they are treated by the police as second-class citizens, without respect," Armstrong stated.
The incredible response by the Louisville police was reminiscent of the behavior of police in Chile, back in 1973, who actively conspired to overthrow civilian authority. Within minutes of Sherrard's dismissal, hundreds of policemen dropped everything, and drove to Louisville's police headquarters. In protest, nine police commanders promptly resigned their commands. Hundreds of police and their supporters held a mass demonstration at Jefferson Square in central Louisville on 17 March demanding that the mayor resign instead.
Longtime Louisville social-justice activist Anne Braden characterized these events as a sort of "military coup." Braden denounced the response, saying that "If the president fires the chief of staff of the Army, the Army does not march on the White House," USA Today reported.
Maybe not, in ordinary times. But we no longer live in ordinary times. The construction of a vast prison-industrial complex and the enlargement of private security forces throughout the US have created the preconditions for a politically active, ideologically-motivated national police apparatus. Thousands of cops no longer believe that they can leave "justice" to the courts and thousands more doubt the capacity or will of most elected officials to curb street crimes. Thus the executions of Diallo, and hundreds of other black, brown and poor people represent a kind of political statement about how the oppressed should be governed within a capitalist society.
Consider the fact that there are now roughly 600,000 police officers, 350,000 prison guards and 1.5 million private security guards. There are about 30,000 heavily armed, paramilitary "SWAT" (Special Weapons and Tactics) teams currently operating in the US. The police who killed Diallo were members of New York's Street Crimes Unit, which carries out thousands of stop-and-frisk operations throughout the city. Only two months ago, the New York Police Department initiated a new $24 million effort called "Operation Condor," assigning 500 extra plainclothes and uniformed officers to various sting and surveillance operations, especially in poor and minority neighborhoods. It was one of these "undercover" plainclothes police teams that confronted, shot and killed yet another unarmed black man, Patrick Dorismond, on 16 March in New York City.
It is also illuminating -- and disturbing -- to recognize that these widespread examples of deadly police force and the disregard for citizens' constitutional rights is not opposed by a significant number of white Americans. For example, in the wake of Dorismond's killing, New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, currently campaigning for a US Senate seat, made callous remarks about the dead man. Giuliani illegally disclosed Dorismond's sealed juvenile records and refused to extend condolences to the deceased's family. All blacks, Latinos and even most whites living in New York City were appalled by Giuliani's racist behavior, yet according to polls, only 28 per cent of upstate New Yorkers and 34 per cent of suburban voters disagreed with Giuliani's handling of this situation. Two-thirds of upstate New Yorkers even said that Giuliani should not have to express remorse to Dorismond's family.
In effect, millions of white middle- and upper-class people have made the cold calculation that a certain level of unjustified killings of blacks, Latinos and poor people is necessary to maintain public order. Yet inevitably this same silent majority will discover, much to its regret, that when police and security forces are given a license to kill, they will not stop at the boundaries of the black community.
Re: Dumb Cop?
I understand your frustration with this issue, as anyone with common sense would. The thing I don't get is that you have a sig line that could be construed as your having something against being associated as a hippy.
What exactly is wrong with being a hippy?
And more so, that you have to disclaim yourself in your sig line about it? I would think that very few people here can tell by your post that you have long hair, and if you are saying that you were a Dep. Sheriff then I bet very many of us would have concluded that you are, in fact, not a 'hippy'.
I am a hippy, and a fucking brilliant one at that. I am not assuming it is the case, but I am wondering if you're the type of person that would sit around bitching about how 'dumb' hippies are.
Please tell me you aren't biased about hippies.
privy2u said:Well I didn't look at the URL's and don't really want to, but, if they are as negative as the responses her imply they aren't woth the time anyway.
I was a Deputy Sheriff for 9 years and I met several people of the years with the same slant on law enforcement. I won't get into that here except to say not one of the people I ever arrested or sent to prison was rocket scientists.
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I understand your frustration with this issue, as anyone with common sense would. The thing I don't get is that you have a sig line that could be construed as your having something against being associated as a hippy.
What exactly is wrong with being a hippy?
And more so, that you have to disclaim yourself in your sig line about it? I would think that very few people here can tell by your post that you have long hair, and if you are saying that you were a Dep. Sheriff then I bet very many of us would have concluded that you are, in fact, not a 'hippy'.
I am a hippy, and a fucking brilliant one at that. I am not assuming it is the case, but I am wondering if you're the type of person that would sit around bitching about how 'dumb' hippies are.
Please tell me you aren't biased about hippies.
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Former NYPD Officer Jamil Jordan Pleads Guilty -- Admits to Armed Robberies, Perjury and Conspiracy to Murder a Fellow Officer
LORETTA E. LYNCH, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, BARRY W. MAWN, Assistant Director-in-Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in New York, and BERNARD B. KERIK, Commissioner, New York City Police Department, today announced the guilty plea of former New York City Police Officer Jamil Jordan to five federal criminal charges including two robbery charges, a murder conspiracy, perjury and weapons possession. The plea was the result of a joint investigation by the F.B.I. and the N.Y.P.D.
Between January and August of 1997, JORDAN and his partner, ANTHONY TROTMAN, committed armed robberies of narcotics traffickers in the Bronx and Queens. In the Bronx robbery, TROTMAN and JORDAN stopped a narcotics trafficker in his car at gunpoint, robbed him of approximately $2,100 in narcotics proceeds and then handcuffed him to the car before leaving the scene. In the Queens robbery, TROTMAN and JORDAN pulled over a narcotics trafficker on his way to John F. Kennedy International Airport while wearing their service revolvers and showing their police shields. They then robbed him of narcotics proceeds totaling approximately $8,000. During the period they committed these robberies, JORDAN and TROTMAN were uniformed patrol officers in the 77th Precinct in Brooklyn.
In addition, Jordan also admitted to committing perjury in his testimony in United States v. William Lipford, 96 CR 221, a gun possession case before the Honorable Reena Raggi, on July 2, 1997. In that case, JORDAN was called as witness by the defense during a suppression hearing and falsely claimed that he and his partner recovered a firearm from the defendant through a chance encounter in a bodega. In truth, JORDAN and TROTMAN had been led to the defendant through the use of a confidential informant. Both JORDAN and TROTMAN were eventually dismissed from the Police Department based upon the false and misleading information they provided to federal prosecutors in that case.
JORDAN also pled guilty to his involvement in a conspiracy to murder a fellow police officer, Detective Michael Paul. JORDAN and TROTMAN conspired to murder Paul in retaliation for Paul's providing information to prosecutors in the Lipford case. In furtherance of the conspiracy, JORDAN and TROTMAN ran Paul's name in their police mobile data terminal to ascertain his home address so that he could be killed. In addition, JORDAN and TROTMAN brought VERE PADMORE, a criminal associate who was to commit the murder for them, to Paul's residence to show PADMORE where Paul lived and what car he drove. The plot was abandoned when PADMORE was arrested on robbery charges. PADMORE is currently a fugitive from justice.
JORDAN's guilty plea took place this afternoon before United States District Court Judge Frederic Block. JORDAN will remain in federal custody while awaiting sentence. No sentencing date has been set.
JORDAN faces up to twenty years on each of the two robbery charges, and five years for each of the murder conspiracy and perjury charges. In addition, JORDAN faces an additional consecutive five-year term of imprisonment for his use of a firearm in the Bronx robbery. On each count, JORDAN faces a maximum fine of $250,000.
The government's case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Jack Smith.
LORETTA E. LYNCH, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, BARRY W. MAWN, Assistant Director-in-Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in New York, and BERNARD B. KERIK, Commissioner, New York City Police Department, today announced the guilty plea of former New York City Police Officer Jamil Jordan to five federal criminal charges including two robbery charges, a murder conspiracy, perjury and weapons possession. The plea was the result of a joint investigation by the F.B.I. and the N.Y.P.D.
Between January and August of 1997, JORDAN and his partner, ANTHONY TROTMAN, committed armed robberies of narcotics traffickers in the Bronx and Queens. In the Bronx robbery, TROTMAN and JORDAN stopped a narcotics trafficker in his car at gunpoint, robbed him of approximately $2,100 in narcotics proceeds and then handcuffed him to the car before leaving the scene. In the Queens robbery, TROTMAN and JORDAN pulled over a narcotics trafficker on his way to John F. Kennedy International Airport while wearing their service revolvers and showing their police shields. They then robbed him of narcotics proceeds totaling approximately $8,000. During the period they committed these robberies, JORDAN and TROTMAN were uniformed patrol officers in the 77th Precinct in Brooklyn.
In addition, Jordan also admitted to committing perjury in his testimony in United States v. William Lipford, 96 CR 221, a gun possession case before the Honorable Reena Raggi, on July 2, 1997. In that case, JORDAN was called as witness by the defense during a suppression hearing and falsely claimed that he and his partner recovered a firearm from the defendant through a chance encounter in a bodega. In truth, JORDAN and TROTMAN had been led to the defendant through the use of a confidential informant. Both JORDAN and TROTMAN were eventually dismissed from the Police Department based upon the false and misleading information they provided to federal prosecutors in that case.
JORDAN also pled guilty to his involvement in a conspiracy to murder a fellow police officer, Detective Michael Paul. JORDAN and TROTMAN conspired to murder Paul in retaliation for Paul's providing information to prosecutors in the Lipford case. In furtherance of the conspiracy, JORDAN and TROTMAN ran Paul's name in their police mobile data terminal to ascertain his home address so that he could be killed. In addition, JORDAN and TROTMAN brought VERE PADMORE, a criminal associate who was to commit the murder for them, to Paul's residence to show PADMORE where Paul lived and what car he drove. The plot was abandoned when PADMORE was arrested on robbery charges. PADMORE is currently a fugitive from justice.
JORDAN's guilty plea took place this afternoon before United States District Court Judge Frederic Block. JORDAN will remain in federal custody while awaiting sentence. No sentencing date has been set.
JORDAN faces up to twenty years on each of the two robbery charges, and five years for each of the murder conspiracy and perjury charges. In addition, JORDAN faces an additional consecutive five-year term of imprisonment for his use of a firearm in the Bronx robbery. On each count, JORDAN faces a maximum fine of $250,000.
The government's case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Jack Smith.
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What proof do you have that cops are dumb? I was one for 11 years and I can honestly say, we are so far from dumb that it's not funny.
Cops has that automatic sense of judgement that not many civilians pocess. We can spot a "thug" and theif miles away even when he approaches you wearing a Cartier suit.
How many bystanders do you read about getting killed in a police shootout as opposed to a drive by shooting? Cops go through vigorous physical, firearms, and driving training that many in society know nothing about.
In my years of law enforcement, I've learned that many of those who often don't trust law enforcement or feel that "cops are dumb" are usually the ones who have had trouble with the law in the past (i.e., ex-convicts or multiple arrests).
Cops has that automatic sense of judgement that not many civilians pocess. We can spot a "thug" and theif miles away even when he approaches you wearing a Cartier suit.
How many bystanders do you read about getting killed in a police shootout as opposed to a drive by shooting? Cops go through vigorous physical, firearms, and driving training that many in society know nothing about.
In my years of law enforcement, I've learned that many of those who often don't trust law enforcement or feel that "cops are dumb" are usually the ones who have had trouble with the law in the past (i.e., ex-convicts or multiple arrests).
I just wanted to add that I go to school in the LE Builing at my school and I see the new recruits they have going to school and these people aren't dumb.
For the most part, in any given profession, you get the dumb with the intelligent, and that goes for EVERY profession.
Guy, there is no proof to be had. The concept that all cops are dumb, is as a rediculous a generalization as ones like "all hippies are fucked in the head and on hard drugs", or "all doctors are brilliant, and qualified", or "all truck drivers talk filthy", or "all Zoo keepers must love the smell of shit".
For the most part, in any given profession, you get the dumb with the intelligent, and that goes for EVERY profession.
Guy, there is no proof to be had. The concept that all cops are dumb, is as a rediculous a generalization as ones like "all hippies are fucked in the head and on hard drugs", or "all doctors are brilliant, and qualified", or "all truck drivers talk filthy", or "all Zoo keepers must love the smell of shit".
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And your point is? That cops are susceptible to corruption? Well Duh! I dare say you take any member of the populace and put them in the same position and the same percentage will become corrupt, probably moreso.Unregistered said:
They are human after all, not saints.
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There are many flaws with the quiz that leave me wanting to ask more questions.
It doesn't appear as conclusive as one might think.
Example:
Question 1: 20 - 30 of how many total officers?
Question 2: 40 of how many court cases?
Well, you get the point.
Also, there are certainly arguements to be made concerning some of the other points made.
Polls, studies etc need to be read and processed with scrutiny, as they don't always reflect the total picture.
Certainly generalizing that cops are dumb or one needs to be dumb to be a cop isn't even using the quiz as intended, based upon what you posted here.
It doesn't appear as conclusive as one might think.
Example:
Question 1: 20 - 30 of how many total officers?
Question 2: 40 of how many court cases?
Well, you get the point.
Also, there are certainly arguements to be made concerning some of the other points made.
Polls, studies etc need to be read and processed with scrutiny, as they don't always reflect the total picture.
Certainly generalizing that cops are dumb or one needs to be dumb to be a cop isn't even using the quiz as intended, based upon what you posted here.
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And your solution would be what?Renegade and Company said:
Instead of cops we police ourselves?
Grow up - no system is perfect. If you can't come up with a better solution, then your griping about something you know little about has little effect. Why don't you go out and be a good cop instead of complaining about bad cops?
Sure we all deplore police corruption, but being humans it happens, and I would assert that cops in general are less corrupt than the general populace, you included.
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Renegade Gone Crazy said:
For every " bad " cop there are hundreds and thousands who put on the uniform every day and go out to protect and serve the people who live in the community. Just as there are " bad " people in every profession. There are the doctors who gouge insurance companies with fraud, pharmacists who steal drugs from the pharmacy, Lawyers who steal from trust funds they have been left in care of for orphaned children, the list could go on and on.
Something bad happens to you and you call a cop. You get a speeding ticket and you call a cop a son of a bitch.
But you know what ? Policemen are some of the bravest people I know. Everyday, EACH and EVERYDAY they go to work not knowing what they are going to face. That little arguement over who scratched the new car escalates into someone pulling out a gun and shooting someone.
Someone's dog barking at 3am and the police respond to the call. While they are talking to the person who called.... another neighbor takes things into his own hands and fires a gun over the fence at the dog which is standing 4 yards away. ( This is a true story )
Police officers deal with the rotten side of humanity every single day. And when they strap on their gun, they don't know if today is going to be the day they have to use it to kill someone.
Not only do they enforce the law, they assist other agencies such as Ambulance crews, and fire trucks. They see the harm done to innocent children, elderly people, abused wifes. And when they take the uniform off at the end of duty, they go home knowing they have to do it all over tomorrow.
Am I a police officer ? *snorts* You could not pay me enough to deal with the everyday horrors they see. I do think Police Departments should have better screening policies and a little more control over the officers. How they go about this I have no clue. That is why I post on a porn board and don't hold a public office I guess.
You ALWAYS read about the bad or dirty cops who get caught. You don't read about the officers who searched for 4 hours in the rain and the dark for an alzheimers patient who wandered away from their home at 2am.
So while you spout off crap about Dumb Cops, just think of who you are going to call when your dumb ass gets robbed.
And while I think it is obvious I will still mention it.... Sept 11. How many officers lost their lives trying to get people out of the buildings ? Along with Fire Fighters and other rescue personell ?
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Starfish said:I just wanted to add that I go to school in the LE Builing at my school and I see the new recruits they have going to school and these people aren't dumb.
For the most part, in any given profession, you get the dumb with the intelligent, and that goes for EVERY profession.
You are very right, Starfish. I can still remember the weekly exams that we had to take while in the academy. While many college students often took an exam every week, we had from 4 to 15 exams to take every Monday morning when we got to class. And we had to pass each, all, and everyone of them in order to graduate the academy. And I've seen some "wanna bes" trying to go through the academy only to be kicked out after one exam. But there were many, like myself, who graduated.
I can agree of one thing though. Yeah, cops are dumb. Dumb enough to support and secure their community for the trace of a salary that they get for the job. Instead of cursing or criticising law enforcement, Mr. Unregistered (or whatever name you chose to hide behind), you should be kissing their ass for the job that they're doing.
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It's really sad to see how many people will post to a board without reading the thread at all. The title of the article was THE AWFUL TRUTH DUMB COP TEST. If anyone had bothered to click on that link you would have known it.
Regarding the lie that cops are regular people, they aren't. I never said they weren't brave or heroes. Never. Where? Find it before you guys post more bullshit without reading a thing.
Oh yeah, Texan, only 51 of those 150 police (that's federal, state, and local, not just local) that died in 2000 were slain at the hands of civilians. The others died in car accidents, drowned, and othe miscellaneous duty related accidents. Not that that makes their deaths any less real or sad but don't let the events of 9-11 blind you to the problem that is American law enforcement.
More police are regular people bullshit:
Police Family Violence Fact Sheet
Several studies have found that 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence,1 2 in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.3
Since victims of police family violence frequently fear that the police will side with their colleague, most often these crimes go unreported. Even when police domestic violence is reported, the practice in most police agencies is to handle these cases internally instead of referring them for prosecution.
A 1994 nationwide survey conducted by the Arlington, TX police department and the Southwestern Law Enforcement Institute of the Southwest Legal Foundation found that 123 police departments (serving populations of over 100,000) 45.3% had no specific policy for dealing with officer-involved domestic violence. And, only 19% of police departments have a policy of terminating police officers who are repeat domestic violence offenders.4 In a more recent study, preliminary results indicate that only four major city police departments have written policies on the handling of police family violence cases.5 According to a study by Chief John Feltgen in Broward County, FL, "with disturbing frequency, domestic violence calls made from the officer's homes dead-ended without a report or real investigation."6
Victims face grave difficulties in winning domestic violence convictions against police officers. Among those few officers who are actually prosecuted and convicted, it is a common practice for the officers to petition for, and oftentimes receive, expungements.7 8
Mishandling of police family violence cases can have grave consequences. A prime example is that of Melba Terre Ramos, whose husband, an officer in the LAPD, shot and killed her and her lover in August of 1992. According to the Los Angeles Times, "A month before the shooting, police officials became aware that the officer -- Victor Felix Ramos -- had previously pointed his gun at his wife and threatened to kill her. However, they did little to reprimand him."9
The 1996 Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, introduced by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and passed by an amendment to the 1996 Treasury-Postal Appropriations bill, prohibits individuals, including police officers, convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence offenses, from owning or using firearms. Consequently, there have been many efforts to gut this law and provide an exemption for military and police personnel. This would allow police officers to be held to a lower standard than civilians.
Police domestic violence is a danger to the larger community as well. Domestic violence is a public safety issue. About half of all 911 calls are related to domestic violence. As Penny Harrington, retired Portland, Oregon Police Chief and Director of the National Center for Women and Policing, states, "A police department that looks the other way when one of its officers commits domestic violence, is a police department that -cannot be effective in responding to domestic violence calls in the community."
The ongoing underrepresentation of women in the LAPD and law enforcement in general exacerbates the problem of police family violence and police response to domestic violence. Research shows that women are more likely to take domestic violence cases as a serious crime and are more likely to sympathize with the victims.10 In comparison to their male counterparts, female officers have also proven to 11 :
diffuse potentially violent confrontations more effectively
respond better to domestic violence calls
generate fewer complaints and provoke violence less often
possess better communication skills in conflict resolution and assess danger levels more effectively
use force less often
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1. P. Neidig, H. Russell, and A. Seng, "Interspousal Aggression in Law Enforcement Families: A Preliminary Investigation," Police Studies. Spring 1992, 30-38.
2. A. Levinson, "Abusers Behind a Badge," Arizona Republic. June 29, 1997 F11
3. Understanding and Preventing Violence. (Washington, DC: The National Academy of Sciences, 1993
4. "Domestic Violence Among Police: A Survey of Internal Affairs Policies." Prepared by the Arlington, TX Police Department and the Southwestern Law Enforcement Institute, 1995.
5. International Association of Chiefs of Police; Major City Chiefs Committee, Report Forthcoming.
6. A. Levinson, "Abusers Behind a Badge", Arizona Republic. June 29, 1997, F11. 7. H. Tobar, "3 Deputies Go To Court, Regain Right to Carry Guns", Los Angeles Times. May, 9, 1997.
8. L.A. County Sheriff's Detective Rodolfo O'Dell, was convicted of domestic violence for violating a restraining order against him, choking, biting, and raping his wife four times. O'Dell had his conviction expunged in January of 1997. H. Tobar, "Officer's Expunged Conviction Angers Ex-Wife', Los Angeles Times. (5/26/97)
9. M. Lait, "LAPD to Review Domestic Abuse Investigations", Los Angeles Times. May, 1997.
10. Testimony of Katherine Spillar before the Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department. May 1991. 11. Ibid.
Regarding the lie that cops are regular people, they aren't. I never said they weren't brave or heroes. Never. Where? Find it before you guys post more bullshit without reading a thing.
Oh yeah, Texan, only 51 of those 150 police (that's federal, state, and local, not just local) that died in 2000 were slain at the hands of civilians. The others died in car accidents, drowned, and othe miscellaneous duty related accidents. Not that that makes their deaths any less real or sad but don't let the events of 9-11 blind you to the problem that is American law enforcement.
More police are regular people bullshit:
Police Family Violence Fact Sheet
Several studies have found that 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence,1 2 in contrast to 10% of families in the general population.3
Since victims of police family violence frequently fear that the police will side with their colleague, most often these crimes go unreported. Even when police domestic violence is reported, the practice in most police agencies is to handle these cases internally instead of referring them for prosecution.
A 1994 nationwide survey conducted by the Arlington, TX police department and the Southwestern Law Enforcement Institute of the Southwest Legal Foundation found that 123 police departments (serving populations of over 100,000) 45.3% had no specific policy for dealing with officer-involved domestic violence. And, only 19% of police departments have a policy of terminating police officers who are repeat domestic violence offenders.4 In a more recent study, preliminary results indicate that only four major city police departments have written policies on the handling of police family violence cases.5 According to a study by Chief John Feltgen in Broward County, FL, "with disturbing frequency, domestic violence calls made from the officer's homes dead-ended without a report or real investigation."6
Victims face grave difficulties in winning domestic violence convictions against police officers. Among those few officers who are actually prosecuted and convicted, it is a common practice for the officers to petition for, and oftentimes receive, expungements.7 8
Mishandling of police family violence cases can have grave consequences. A prime example is that of Melba Terre Ramos, whose husband, an officer in the LAPD, shot and killed her and her lover in August of 1992. According to the Los Angeles Times, "A month before the shooting, police officials became aware that the officer -- Victor Felix Ramos -- had previously pointed his gun at his wife and threatened to kill her. However, they did little to reprimand him."9
The 1996 Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban, introduced by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and passed by an amendment to the 1996 Treasury-Postal Appropriations bill, prohibits individuals, including police officers, convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence offenses, from owning or using firearms. Consequently, there have been many efforts to gut this law and provide an exemption for military and police personnel. This would allow police officers to be held to a lower standard than civilians.
Police domestic violence is a danger to the larger community as well. Domestic violence is a public safety issue. About half of all 911 calls are related to domestic violence. As Penny Harrington, retired Portland, Oregon Police Chief and Director of the National Center for Women and Policing, states, "A police department that looks the other way when one of its officers commits domestic violence, is a police department that -cannot be effective in responding to domestic violence calls in the community."
The ongoing underrepresentation of women in the LAPD and law enforcement in general exacerbates the problem of police family violence and police response to domestic violence. Research shows that women are more likely to take domestic violence cases as a serious crime and are more likely to sympathize with the victims.10 In comparison to their male counterparts, female officers have also proven to 11 :
diffuse potentially violent confrontations more effectively
respond better to domestic violence calls
generate fewer complaints and provoke violence less often
possess better communication skills in conflict resolution and assess danger levels more effectively
use force less often
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1. P. Neidig, H. Russell, and A. Seng, "Interspousal Aggression in Law Enforcement Families: A Preliminary Investigation," Police Studies. Spring 1992, 30-38.
2. A. Levinson, "Abusers Behind a Badge," Arizona Republic. June 29, 1997 F11
3. Understanding and Preventing Violence. (Washington, DC: The National Academy of Sciences, 1993
4. "Domestic Violence Among Police: A Survey of Internal Affairs Policies." Prepared by the Arlington, TX Police Department and the Southwestern Law Enforcement Institute, 1995.
5. International Association of Chiefs of Police; Major City Chiefs Committee, Report Forthcoming.
6. A. Levinson, "Abusers Behind a Badge", Arizona Republic. June 29, 1997, F11. 7. H. Tobar, "3 Deputies Go To Court, Regain Right to Carry Guns", Los Angeles Times. May, 9, 1997.
8. L.A. County Sheriff's Detective Rodolfo O'Dell, was convicted of domestic violence for violating a restraining order against him, choking, biting, and raping his wife four times. O'Dell had his conviction expunged in January of 1997. H. Tobar, "Officer's Expunged Conviction Angers Ex-Wife', Los Angeles Times. (5/26/97)
9. M. Lait, "LAPD to Review Domestic Abuse Investigations", Los Angeles Times. May, 1997.
10. Testimony of Katherine Spillar before the Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department. May 1991. 11. Ibid.
privy2u
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Statistics
I think you are missing teh point Reading!
Your efforts to bring out statistics were not taken well because we are all intelligent people here and we already know the stats. It is you who find them so important that you have to rant about them and then criticize others for not elevating this worthless information to a higher level to help you and others like you can obtain some delusional sense of higher importance or intelligence.
Do yourself a favor and just drop it.
Privy
I think you are missing teh point Reading!
Your efforts to bring out statistics were not taken well because we are all intelligent people here and we already know the stats. It is you who find them so important that you have to rant about them and then criticize others for not elevating this worthless information to a higher level to help you and others like you can obtain some delusional sense of higher importance or intelligence.
Do yourself a favor and just drop it.
Privy
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Reading COMPREHENSION and LOGIC are fundamental
I did read the thread and I did go to the URL. The quiz was biased to make the assertions that not only were cops dumb (the title of the test) but that they were corrupt too. A grade school child could see the bias inherent both in that quiz and in your posts.
You still have not answered my question; what is your alternative to having law enforcement officers. Instead of complaining about what the problem is, what is your solution?
We all know about these problems, and we know that some people are trying solutions, some good, some bad (like the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban), but I haven't heard you state one truly original thought here - just complaints, poorly supported assertions and no solutions.
So, instead of copying and pasting text from websites, dig deep into that peanut you call a brain and come up with something original, or just go away and shut up.
And try something else; if you must post, post under a registered name - trolls who post under an unregistered name are cowards.
Reading Is Fundamental said:
I did read the thread and I did go to the URL. The quiz was biased to make the assertions that not only were cops dumb (the title of the test) but that they were corrupt too. A grade school child could see the bias inherent both in that quiz and in your posts.
Where did I say you said that?
And we all know why LEO's families experience a higher level of domestic violence; the primary reason being that the job of an LEO is a high stress/high burnout career. The fact that they have family and marital problems to a higher degree does not mean that cops are dumb or not regular people, it means that they are; put any other person in the same position and you will get the same results. Quoting such stats doesn't prove your assertions, it just proves that you do not know how to arrive at proper conclusions. It is obvious to me that you already have your preconcieved notions about police officers and you are just dredging up stats and making assertions to support your false conclusions.
You still have not answered my question; what is your alternative to having law enforcement officers. Instead of complaining about what the problem is, what is your solution?
We all know about these problems, and we know that some people are trying solutions, some good, some bad (like the Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban), but I haven't heard you state one truly original thought here - just complaints, poorly supported assertions and no solutions.
So, instead of copying and pasting text from websites, dig deep into that peanut you call a brain and come up with something original, or just go away and shut up.
And try something else; if you must post, post under a registered name - trolls who post under an unregistered name are cowards.
sch00lteacher
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Why don't you show some balls and register?
Which regular board member are you? I only know of a few cowards on here so that does narrow the list down some.
Either use your real name, or get the fuck outta here.
Goddamn Troll.
Which regular board member are you? I only know of a few cowards on here so that does narrow the list down some.
Either use your real name, or get the fuck outta here.
Goddamn Troll.
