Are we all really strangers?

Whispersecret

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Someone said in another thread, “I am sorry that you can't see past the fact that this is merely a bunch of cyber-friends, this isn't real life… It is strangers for God's sake. It would make me happier if someone I know IRL would tell me they want me, as opposed to people who don't even know me.“

You know, I have told myself that very same thing. The people on this bulletin board are strangers. But the more I think about it, the more I disagree. Now hear me out.

Yes, it is true I have never and probably WILL never meet any of you. With most of you out there, I have no private, one-on-one conversation. There are a few whom I do communicate with outside of the bulletin board, but not too many. So, in that sense, we are strangers.

BUT I look back on the extended dialogue I have had with many of you faceless people. I have shared the intimate details of my life, my very innermost feelings, my outlook on various lighthearted and weighty issues of our culture, etc. In return, I have honestly tried to help a lot of people with their various challenges. The conversations here, although electronic, are no less valid or valued because we are not speaking on the phone or talking face to face.

So, I cannot say that you are strangers. In many many areas I have exchanged much deeper, private thoughts here than I ever have with my “real life’ friends. For a not-so-deep example, I would NEVER go to coffee with one of my girlfriends and discuss the attractiveness of uncircumsized penises.

Now, I am not saying that if, say, da Chef or Nurse, moved into my neighborhood, I would consider them friends on the same level as my other “real life” friends. There simply hasn’t been enough one-on-one interaction with them for that to be true. (No offense meant toward either of them. I’m sure they feel the same way.) However, they certainly would not be STRANGERS. Not at all.

I think that human beings have a need to belong to groups. Historically people belonged to clubs and organizations, churches, charity groups, scouts, etc. In our culture such groups are disappearing, or maybe mutating into electronic groups, like this one.

There is a definite sense of community here on this site, and if you doubt that fact, just look at what happens when someone like Fake Name comes along. Everyone links arms and unites in a common cause. When someone we like leaves, like Endlessly, there is a shared sadness among us.

Perhaps I AM self-delusional. Because I do see myself as a normal person. I have many friends in my “real life”. Despite what it looks like here, I really don’t walk around with my head down bemoaning my short stature and relative unattractiveness on a daily basis. But there are a lot of people with whom I interact on this bulletin board whom I do not and could not consider Strangers.

Is there anyone else who sees things this way?
 
I don't know any other way to repond to your thread Whisper, other than this.

I don't interact with a whole lot of people from this board. I "only" communicate with a few. You know who you are.

Now. As for faceless people, considered cyber friends but not RL friends.

From the bottom of my foolish heart. There is not one single person on this board that I would not meet in RL.....well, maybe with the exception of Fake Name.
If the chance is there I would grab it.
Some of you I would even consider fly out to your country, with the sole purpose of meeting you.

The meaning with all this babbling???
The moment your want to meet the faceless, they're not faceless anymore.
They are friends.

My 2 cents on this.
You can all beat me now.
 
Is there anyone else who sees things this way?

Yes, I do.

I think it's that very sense of "community" that you are referring to that keeps all of us coming back. And just like with a RL community, there are the people that you feel a certain "connection" with and those that you wish would just die a slow, painful death. (The jerks who are trying to ruin it for all of us.)

I feel like you really get a truer sense of someone's personality and character alot more quickly here through written expression than is sometimes possible IRL. It's an atmosphere that tends to promote an air of "instant intimacy" among the members. It gets to the point where you can pretty much predict what the tone and content of a certain person's post will be even before you read it.

I've developed a couple of really great email and IM friendships with people here from the board (and one, in particular, that is turning into a truly special friendship <smile> ), and I believe that this is a result of the truly incredible, and individually unique people that frequent this board. Certainly, I don't consider everyone here a friend, as I'm sure not everyone here may particularly care for me, but I am honored by anyone from this board who does or will in the future consider me a "friend." I would be there for a good number of you in a heartbeat if you ever needed someone...even if it were just a need for someone to listen.

I doubt that any regular on this board feels that the rest of the regulars are complete "strangers." I'd be very surprised if they did. We disclose too much of ourselves and who we are.

Ok...I'm done being serious...it's starting to hurt.

LL




[This message has been edited by Lovely Latina (edited 05-29-2000).]
 
Whisper.

I agree with you totally.

The sad fact is that my best friends in life, is the ones I have on-line. I only have one friend in real life that I could confide in as much as I do with my friends on-line.

Last year in October I flew to the states, with the sole purpose to meet a on-line friend, and it was great. We got along just the same way as on-line. So in April I was there again, and another on-line friend came and visited me while I was there. And it was the same experience over again!

I too have made a very special friend on this BB, and I truely hope to meet her one day. We get along great, and it's a thrill to connect with her almost daily.

So in my opinion you have to be open as to where you can make new friends. But talking form experience, I don't let my feelings get any deeper than a great friendship.


ShyGuy

PS. Xander if you ever get to Aalborg, let me know, and maybe we can meet over a cold beer or two!
 
Shyguy:
I'm rarely in Aalbrog, since it the complete opposite of where I am. But should I come around your neighbourhood. I'll give you a call.

Though I mist admit that I, in the past has had some pretty "new" experiennces in (sorry all you outside Denmark)
Jomfru Ane Gade. OMG, it almost killed me last time. I was forced into the death route. LOL

[This message has been edited by Xander (edited 05-29-2000).]
 
Ditto, whispersecret.

Are you sure we aren't long lost sisters? You keep posting exactly what I am thinking.
 
Well, my trusty dictionary tells me that strangers are people who don't know each other. So thos people who you feel you do know, aren't strangers.

Just think pen-pals, they write to each other without necessarily having met, (certainly in Europe where this kind of thing is encouraged in schools) but they are still friends. And this is the electronic age, so we must all be BB pals. : )

Don't it make you feel Good?

This piece of late night reasoning was brought to you by Munchin' Mark's brain.
 
There is no one other than my wife that I confide in to the extent I do with this BB. The annonymity allows me to be more open than I ever could with people I know IRL. But, once the wall of annonymity is breached, the comfort level stays the same. If I was to meet someone from this board tomorrow, I would already be past that awkward stage in a friendship where you don't know how much you can reveal.

Part of that comes from the fact that, as a community, our focus here is on erotic fiction. We know that speaking of erotic or risque topics is not going to send the other person screaming away, shouting about sexual harassment. The fact that we are at an erotic fiction site has opened that door already. The "feeling around" stage of the relationship is bypassed because we already know that the other people on the board have some interest in erotica, or in topics that are difficult to broach with a casual acquaintence.

In my RL personna I am quite shy. All of you are helping me overcome that, and I am proud to call you friends.
 
I am proud to say that I don't regard the special people I have "met" here as strangers. They may be anonymous but not unknown-I had pen pals growing up through the girl scouts and most of my dearest friends IRL have moved many miles away so the idea of fostering a deep and real relationship without meeting face to face is very plausible...I certainly hope that if anyone from here shows up in Baltimore that they'd email me so I could meet them for an espresso and a chat. But if I never see anyone I still know for certain that they are real...I am open, and honest very easily here and that makes it real when I connect with someone. No of course not every connection becomes a friendship but it doesn't in my everyday life either.
 
It is a little-known fact that Manu and I actually met through a BBS (a precursor to the Internet, in which instead of logging into the Net, you actually direct-dialed a computer at someone's house). Funny thing is, we'd lived less than a mile away from each other for years but had never met 'cause of the difference in our ages - he graduated from high school a year before I started.

I'd been a "bad girl" - running away from home, ditching school to do evil things with evil people - and had been confined to my home by my evil father. I discovered BBS's through my lil brother, and they became my only link to the "outside world". It was a smaller community than the Internet, but the dynamic was the same.

I don't think we're all strangers. I think we're as close as people you know at work, if not more so. There are members who are closer than others, and everyone doesn't always get along. In real life, you value some opinions more than others. I think relationships in cyberspace need to be afforded the same care and caution you afford other relationships in your life. Don't let people you hardly know ruin your day. Don't believe everything you're told. Etc., etc.

Everyone made a big deal about the Rachel/Roger Crystal/Flagg dramas, but how much do you know about your neighbor? Your coworkers? Your friends? Your boss could get his kicks off wearing women's panties for all you know... In certain ways, I think we're even more intimate here than we are with our closest friends and family. How often do you talk about dick size with your wife and kids?

And for the record ('cause someone asked in email) - yes, I am female. Yes, there is a Manu, and he's a dude. We're two separate people. So quit asking stupid questions. :)
 
I'd been a "bad girl" - running away from home, ditching school to do evil things with evil people - and had been confined to my home by my evil father.

Who would have thot it...Laurel a bad girl????

Yes I remember the world of BBS. I used to spend PLENTY of time on them myself, and made some good friends from there.

And, to stay on topic,, given a chance to meet the ones who I see pour their hearts and souls out everyday on our BB, Id take it in a heartbeat. You got to admit, we got a great group here, and no one afraid to voice their opinions. I like that. :)
 
Whispersecret Guess what??? We agree!!!!! Shit didn't think I would ever hear that one :)

Look like Xander said, I would bend over backwards to meet any of you. I DO talk to quite a few people off this Board Privately, I also have Phone conversations with a select 4 (Love em all).

Like I was saying to someone (Yes from here) Yesterday, If one of you needed help I would drop everything and do what I possibly could to help (even if that is just a conversation over the net), I would have to say that my closest friends in (as you all keep saying) REAL life, are indeed my friends from this Particular Board.

Okay now all go have some fun and keep smiling.
 
This is an interesting topic Whisper. I've been gone for three or four days, away from the board and I was thinking along these same lines while I was gone. I've often thought that perhaps I was spending to much time on the board, but always seemed to at least lurk when I had nothing to add. So I've wondered what it would be like to be away from here for a few days.. If I would miss all of you..If I would look for a link while I was gone or if I could just be away and not feel withdrawls from this place.

While I was gone I noticed that although I thought of the board, I was busy in RL and did just fine. I even thought that I had proved to myself that I could go without this place and would not spend as much time on here as usual..

Well, the first thing I did when I got home today was turn on my computer and head for this place. As I started looking at all of the new threads and posts, I started smiling and realizing that I had missed you guys. :D Some of you I communicate with outside of the board, so I know you better than some of the others. However, I found that I missed all of you and would have to say that I also consider everyone of the regulars as a friend at some level.

At some level I am more open on here that in RL, as most of my RL friends I can not talk to with the openess that I do here.

Whisper, you are very thoughtful in your posts and such a sweet woman. How could I not consider you a friend.

Wizard, you have made me LMAO on more that one occasion and thats something I only do with good friends.

LL, your sense of humor and sarcasm are what got me to register in the first place. You've made me laugh and smile so often and I always enjoy our bantering. Truly one of my favorites people here. I will always call you friend...

da Chef, your a good guy that I would call my friend any day of the week. Who other than a friend would give me shit like you do sometimes?

Roger, Earthgoddess, Golden, Xander and others are great. Your exactly the type of people I call friends in my RL.

The people from here that I communicate with outside of this place are very definately my friends and I hope you know that.

Laurel, what can I say about you. You have given us this place, you participate, and you just seem like someone I would have as a friend? btw, the air is great up here. :D

If I have forgotten to mention anyone here, I apologize. I don't consider any of the regulars as strangers. I couldn't.

Okay, enough of this sentiment. I'm not the sentimental type, so enjoy this post, because you guys WON'T see me this way very often. :D :D

[This message has been edited by magic merlin (edited 05-30-2000).]
 
I would have to say to a certian extent, that yes, we are all strangers. I feel there are some of you that I have started to get close to, though. :) And Hurley, I'll see you when you go on tour! ;) You can have your first groopie! Lol.

BTW, for anyone who might e-mail me for any reason, please write to Tiggs1977@yahoo.com. I'll be moving soon, and I won't be able to keep my current AOL name... ~Sigh~ More later.
 
Magic - you got it in one, my friend ... it's 2 45am over 'ere in the old country, and I'm supposed to be at the company I run in under 6 hours yet here I am lurking and catching up and privately emailing some of you and wondering why the fuck no one has beeped my ICQ (whatcha doin over there girl??) and I told myself I'd go to bed real early, and then thought maybe I'd indulge with a story and in fact I've spent 2 hours reading the board, and I too miss you lot when I don't at least lurk. Just had a long read of Felix's wonderful prose and the harmonious experience ... great thread guys. Reminded me of the week I a
spent as an acupuncturist's assistant - god the feeling as the energy flows between you ... And others just make me laugh. I don't consider all of you as friends - one or two of you out there I positively dislike from your posts; in fact one oor two of you need a good thumping ... but that's OK ... if all of you were lined up in front of me, there would be some I'd hug as old pals, some I'd just have to rip of your clothes and get to work - who's for a boy-on-girl BJ then? And some of you I'd just like to sink some beers and watch the sunset with. (Sorry Whisper - my grammar crashed; time of day, girl - and BTW I love you for being so picky!!)
Love this place ... Laurel, and Manu, you guys are wicked!
 
I must say, sometimes, I feel more accepted, and yet more vulnerable here than anywhere else in real life.

I am not sure if that makes me pathetic, or just human.

Either way, it is sorta scary.

LL made some awesome points btw.

Luv
~Jade
 
MM so true (esp bout me)

Said simply

I love you guys

Look after yourselves, and each other

da chef (yes even I get soppy)

PS someone teach me UBB code please
PPS whisper, would love to move in sometime but I know just what you are saying

[This message has been edited by Svedish_Chef (edited 05-30-2000).]
 
Well...you know you're all welcome on this ranch. We have guest houses and lots of spare rooms...we could set up tents or you all could sleep in stalls. :D Lost of options!

Bossy
 
I love that many people have this Board to turn to for advice, support or just acceptance. I suppose I'm lucky in that I have such a fabulous family and such close friends that I've never had to do that. So, out of respect for those I love, I am very guarded about just how much I share at Literotica because I feel that too much confidentiallity here would be "cheating" there, if you know what I mean. In other words, I don't ever want to supplant the tangibility of my family and friends for the anonymity of the Internet. Real life comes first.

So, if no one here "knows" me here at Literotica -- it's my fault. Several of my views are known, like how I feel about the Constitution and Bestiallity and a certain rat bastard who is just too damn funny, but Dixon is not my name, my penis is a normal length, and the truly sacred and personal aspects of my life are not public, because they're promised elsewhere.

So, are we strangers? Not neccessarily. But, do we "know" each other? I think that's a subjective question, dependent upon the measure of our disclosures. I would very much welcome the opportunity to get to "know" many of you better sans cyberspace.
 
I don't know if it is this board that does it to me or if I really am just more susceptable to "mood swings" but I am starting to realize that I phase in and out of what Dixon was saying.

Some days, I want to share everyTHING, and flirt with everyONE,
other days, I want to share SOME things and flirt with only a select FEW

and other days I feel as if I have shared TOO much and have cheated and am a horrible person by having flirted with ANYone!!

I am kind of hoping Dixon doesn't read this reply but I felt a little bit hurt by his post. .. but maybe that is b/c it made so much sense. It made me feel guilty for sharing all that I have shared and even more so for making me wonder if perhaps, one of the reasons I am here is b/c my own life is "inadequate" in some way?

I thought I was a happy person, now I have suddenly become an "over-analyzer"
and why am I even posting this...?
in the hopes that somebody will actually be kind enough to take the time to read my essay of a ramble? in the hopes that someone will make me feel better about these feelings or tell me that I am not alone in them?

UGh, now I feel so frusturated... I am wondering if I should continue full force and just keep making my friendships, send picture in, and get on with it or if I should go incognito like dixon, or if I should just go away and try to put it all out of my head.

god you guys I promise I am not crazy but does this make any sense at all?

I'd better get back to work now.


luv
~Jade
 
Don't be hurt, sweetie.

You're already incognito ("whispersecret") which is why it's so easy for you (and the rest of us) to open up so freely. I've confided things here, I've told people personal things -- I just keep it in perspective.

Look, I've written some pretty raunchy stories, with all sorts of perverted activities and lusts -- and I couldn't have done that without "Dixon". I've opened up a whole side of fantasy life to everyone at Literotica that I do NOT share with my friends and family. That's why I come here -- to explore those appetiites. So, in that respect anyway, you all "know" me better than anyone else.

That's how I use Literotica. You're different. If you want to open up a bit more you certainly wouldn't be the first, and if you feel the the need to kvetch or ask for advice you should, of course, and with no regrets.

But, you will notice that the advice eveyrone gives the most is along the lines of "talk it out with your husband/slash/mother/daughter/friend." In other words, get help here, and solve your life there. I've seen it happen a hundred times on the BB, and I think it's FANTASTIC. What a resource of charming, funny, knowledgable people you have here. Use them. Love them. "Know" them.

If I don't reveal as much of myself as you, what on earth difference does that make? Like I said above, we all choose what to reveal depending upon our needs.

Besides, as "unreal" as cyber-space might be, there is nothing unreal about the emotions unleashed during your visits. Those are absolutley real. And if any of those emotions are love or a feeling deep kinship, then they're certainly valuable.

Be your own yardstick, and don't let anyone, including me, ever judge your heart.

[This message has been edited by Dixon Carter Lee (edited 05-31-2000).]
 
DCL, that was about a good a post as I've read on this board, amigo. I have to admit I've done a lot of thinking about this very subject and I'm still all jumbled about it. In a sense, this "cyber-world" is a lot MORE real than "real life", because the anonymity frees you to be "yourself" in a way that just can't seem to be with people "IRL". What happens here so often is a free exchange of ideas, emotions, observations that we have distilled of all the BS we use to censor ourselves as we lead our normal lives.

Which is not to say that the anonymity necessarily only fosters truthfulness... there's tons of deceit as well, and sometimes it's hard to know the difference, but something in me is inclined to risk the deception for those sweet moments of honest revelation.

At the same time though, is it possible to say that we really "know" someone by their posts here or e-mail or on-line conversations? (Jade expresses this question well in another post). We can definitely know "about" them and even know what they're "like", but I have a hard time saying I "know" someone who's just a disembodied block of text...

...and yet again, again and again I have felt feelings of "knowing" and "true friendship" that are as real as any I've felt with those I've met in the flesh.

I'm being confusing, I know, but I'm confused... In the end, it comes down to my gut feelings (as it often does) and my feelings tell me this:

these people are friends.
 
Dixon...

I was so afraid you were going to read that post of mine, but now, I am really glad that you did.

I was touched (truly) by your words and you said just the right things to make me feel soooo much better.
I don't know how you did it, I surely wasn't expecting to feel better when I opened the message and saw your name, in fact I thought,
"uh oh"
but then I read it and, well THANK YOU!!!
you are right I am icognito..... but I may change my identity here shortly, we'll see.... for other reasons. (some people may know who I am, the wrong people).. unfortunately.

Stone's throw,

You are such a sweetie-head... what would we do without you!!!

Luv
~Jade
 
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