Are The Marines The New Studebaker-pakard?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...am-from-Girls-the-archetypal-modern-male.html

My old man was a Marine, and I was born at Cherry Point (i'll deny it, I swear).

A few years after I was born Studebaker bought Packard, which had always been the equal or superior of Cadillac, and wrecked both companies by adding the Packard emblem to the junky Studebaker.

We've kinda done the same with the Marine Corps emblem, adding it to 4F sissies and momma's boys, and girls, of course.

I mean, shouldn't a Marine be at least durable? Or do we want Marines who cry and empathize and surrender to their emotions?

 

[mdbigdee]

And I suppose that you would rather have Marines as unfeeling uncaring automatons,Terminator wannabes that kill and die on command.
And here's a little Corps history for you(since you don't know it). Back in early World War II the Marines refused to allow blacks to enlist (it would ruin the Corps they said...blacks can't fight and would defect to the enemy). It took an Act of Congress to force the Corps to let black men in and they were only used as support troops. Now about 16% of the Corps is black.
And during the Vietnam War the Corps was forced to draft recruits because of a manpower shortage.How do I know this?Because when I was drafted they lined us up and picked every fifth man to go into the Corps.
In neither instance did it ruin the Corps.As a matter of face in some ways it made it stronger.So you go ahead and whine and cry about the death of the Corps. Did you ever serve or or you just a whiner?

 

[sr71plt]

Mostly a whiner, yes. But more about the Marines, though, I find them erotic and have some fine memories of them.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I mean, shouldn't a Marine be at least durable? Or do we want Marines who cry and empathize and surrender to their emotions?

Is there evidence that Marines who cry and empathise are less durable than those who don't?

Diamonds are hard, but tap them with a hammer and they'll shatter.

 

[SecondCircle]

There are always those able to slip through the cracks, that make you wonder how their mama ever let them out of the house long enough to sign the contract. Shitbags. They don't usually do so well.

There's always this sort of theory about how the generations get worse and worse. You always have the old black boot that will say, "stuff was lot harder back in my day, bunch a pussies." And that's not altogether wrong.

But I mean, to me that's kinda redundant. After all, WWII marines had it tougher than Iraqi Freedom marines, and still one could argue that Civil war or revolutionary soldiers had it worse, or romans, or Sumerians, or cavemen.... The times change. It's like the deal where people talk about how much harder it was when you had to walk ten miles through the snow to school.

But I can assure you that the majority of the Corps still has that hard mentality, that grit and toughness it needs. Not to say a marine can't have the aforementioned emotions. They're like anyone else. People have these preconceptions of what they think a marine looks like or how they think and act. Anything else seems odd.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Is there evidence that Marines who cry and empathise are less durable than those who don't?

Diamonds are hard, but tap them with a hammer and they'll shatter.

I have a cousin who does Civil War re-enactments. Theyre kinda OCD about uniforms and weapons and camp, but I told my cousin that if he wanted to impress me with the authenticity, bake up some kittens with cornbread stuffing or dine on undigested corn he picked outta mule shit. Sleep on the wet ground thru a rainstorm. And spend the winter barefoot.

When my son went thru basic training he hadda private room, a refrigerator, a microwave...poor baby. And broads. They had broads in his platoon.

 

[MSTarot]

My grandfather was a Marine. My Nana said he was the deadliest Marine in the whole war.

He was a cook.

She said he probably killed more US troops than the Germans and Japanese put together.

 

[sr71plt]

Another lonely day in the trailer, James?

 

[SecondCircle]

I have a cousin who does Civil War re-enactments. Theyre kinda OCD about uniforms and weapons and camp, but I told my cousin that if he wanted to impress me with the authenticity, bake up some kittens with cornbread stuffing or dine on undigested corn he picked outta mule shit. Sleep on the wet ground thru a rainstorm. And spend the winter barefoot.

When my son went thru basic training he hadda private room, a refrigerator, a microwave...poor baby. And broads. They had broads in his platoon.

You would prefer them to eat shit to be tougher? Would you walk ten miles in the snow when you had a vehicle nearby? The times dictate the extremes needed.

And I'm not sure which branch your son went through, but Marines are still in squad bays and bunks. No refrigerators. No microwaves. And every waking second is a reminder that you are a maggot until your body has been broken and rebuilt.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You would prefer them to eat shit to be tougher? Would you walk ten miles in the snow when you had a vehicle nearby? The times dictate the extremes needed.

And I'm not sure which branch your son went through, but Marines are still in squad bays and bunks. No refrigerators. No microwaves. And every waking second is a reminder that you are a maggot until your body has been broken and rebuilt.

Hon? I don't wish them to die or be crippled, either. I want them thinking and doing NOT crying and clueless.

 

[SecondCircle]

Hon? I don't wish them to die or be crippled, either. I want them thinking and doing NOT crying and clueless.

They think and do plenty. If you meet one that is one way, or see one depicted one way, that's not a representation of the whole. Soldiers and Marines don't practice some of the older things (like your civil war kitten on a stick) because it isn't necessary like it was in those times.

There's plenty that marines still endure that ensures their mentality is right where it needs to be. Have things gotten softer? Relatively yes. Your civil war guys picking corn out of shit, for example. They did what they had to do. Marines are trained to be prepared to do what they have to do. The attitude and mentality is still there. They are still hardened to deal with adversity.

Are you gonna meet one that's not up to snuff? Of course. Just like there are shitty cops, politicians, firemen, deli workers, and writers.

 

[carlieplum]

Three Marines in my family. The girl is the toughest one of the bunch...and one of them is a sniper.

They are fighting different kinds of wars now, JBJ. "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out," won't work any more.

 

[lovecraft68]

Three Marines in my family. The girl is the toughest one of the bunch...and one of them is a sniper.

They are fighting different kinds of wars now, JBJ. "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out," won't work any more.

It worked fine in the past and honestly if instead of playing good Muslim bad Muslim over seas we waged an all out war with them we may have lost less troops and might even be taken seriously.

Before the second tower stopped smoking Afghanistan should have been smoking crater.

The Marines or other soldiers serving are not weak. Our leaders are and Political correctness and the whining and crying of civilians has turned us into

"knock knock, are you a bad terrorist? You're not, Okay!" Oh shit you just shot me!"

Benghazi showed what a joke we've become.

 

[SecondCircle]

People used to live in one room ranch homes and build fires for warmth. The majority of us now have this central heat and air thing. (Wood stoves are still in use, yes, but the point is that in modern times, we don't have to do many things we used to.)

Marines are still trained with toughness and an almost unshakeable discipline. Many things have changed since say the Revolutionary War or Vietnam. But it's one branch that still breeds honorable, hard nosed, respectable, dispicable, mean, vile, and physically and mentally tough troops. You'll have your exceptions sure.

But they still turn Pilot on, so that's a plus.

 

[sr71plt]

It's just all that armchair testosterone being spilled by guys who couldn't make a go of selling comic books, Sir . . . not to mention those old farts tossing beer cans through the windows of their trailers down in Tampa.

 

[lovecraft68]

People used to live in one room ranch homes and build fires for warmth. The majority of us now have this central heat and air thing. (Wood stoves are still in use, yes, but the point is that in modern times, we don't have to do many things we used to.)

Marines are still trained with toughness and an almost unshakeable discipline. Many things have changed since say the Revolutionary War or Vietnam. But it's one branch that still breeds honorable, hard nosed, respectable, dispicable, mean, vile, and physically and mentally tough troops. You'll have your exceptions sure.

But they still turn Pilot on, so that's a plus.

My Nephews a marine and a tough son of a bitch. His fiancee is one as well and sometimes I wonder if she couldn't kick his ass in a straight out fight.

I remember it wasn't that long ago that I was kicking his ass all over the dojo, now I' m fairly certain he could put me away.

He keeps taunting me with "ready when you are old dog."

So far I've been smart enough not to be baited.

 

[carlieplum]

The Senate report on Benghazi showed the ambassador turned down not one, but two offers from the military to harden the defenses of the embassy. It was a mistake that cost him his life and four others. Yes, the military should have had more forces situated more closely that could have responded. They didn't. The CIA was not honest about the presence of a station. There is more than enough blame to go around. The whole situation was one big clusterfuck.

It's nice rhetoric, the whole "bomb them to the Stone Age." We tried that in Vietnam. Didn't work then, won't work now. Just creates a whole new group of people more willing and more dedicated to killing us, whether they are in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, wherever. It's a fucked up mess over there and incredibly complicated. There are no simple solutions. We have to fight smarter. Patraeus may not have been able to keep his dick in his pants, but he knew what was what when it came to urban warfare and counter-insurgency.

 

[StrangeLife]

Is there evidence that Marines who cry and empathise are less durable than those who don't?

Diamonds are hard, but tap them with a hammer and they'll shatter.

A crying marine??? You must be joking.

Marines don't get sad. They get pissed.

 

[SecondCircle]

A crying marine??? You must be joking.

Marines don't get sad. They get pissed.

Marines are constantly pissed. They are pissed when they're sad. I've seen plenty cry, doesn't necessarily make them weaker. When you say "marine" though, usually that's synonymous with "pissed".

 

[StrangeLife]

Marines are constantly pissed. They are pissed when they're sad. I've seen plenty cry, doesn't necessarily make them weaker. When you say "marine" though, usually that's synonymous with "pissed".

Exactly.

A marine might tear up with frustration if his knife breaks, if his mark makes it to the extraction point or if his rifle jams when he has a kill-shot. But that does not constitute "crying."

 

[SecondCircle]

The Senate report on Benghazi showed the ambassador turned down not one, but two offers from the military to harden the defenses of the embassy. It was a mistake that cost him his life and four others. Yes, the military should have had more forces situated more closely that could have responded. They didn't. The CIA was not honest about the presence of a station. There is more than enough blame to go around. The whole situation was one big clusterfuck.

It's nice rhetoric, the whole "bomb them to the Stone Age." We tried that in Vietnam. Didn't work then, won't work now. Just creates a whole new group of people more willing and more dedicated to killing us, whether they are in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, wherever. It's a fucked up mess over there and incredibly complicated. There are no simple solutions. We have to fight smarter. Patraeus may not have been able to keep his dick in his pants, but he knew what was what when it came to urban warfare and counter-insurgency.

Aye, the "turn them to a sheet of glass" theory is really just a fairy tale. I can't say whether or not I agreed with sending troops over there or whatever. Just don't have an opinion on that. But whether we think it was right or wrong the choice was made.

The whole "win the hearts and minds" tactic was both a great idea and horrible one. You can't just ransack and bomb countries and think nothing will come of that. That breeds more hate, more extremists. Hence the whole fix up the country and win hearts and minds.

Problem with that is that THOSE hearts and minds? Unwinnable. Think of it the other way, those countries posting up in the US, hosting a war among our neighborhoods, trying to change our way of life to their way. By like the sixth year those people didn't care. Coalition, Al Qaeda... they just wanted the fucking war done. And now that we left, it's slowly reverting back.

Where are the Marines in this? Where they'll always be. Ready, unquestioning, to fight and to be dropped into the next whatever the hell we've gotten ourselves into. They don't have the liberty of choosing the fight, or having a say. They simply endure it all.

For toughness? They still sleep in the rain, wear combat loads on foot patrols in 120° weather, they still suffer the drowning humidity of Paris Island and the draining slopes of the Reaper, they still watch their bodies and souls wither and grow calloused under the rigors of a Campaign Cover wearing demon, sacrifice 70% of their life to field training, watch their piss freeze on a January ground....

Rambling. No, they're not soft. They're as miserable and gritty as ever.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You may wanna take a look at LEATHERNECK to read what Marines say about SOP today. Its not flattering. The Corps is fulla non-hackers and PC intoxicated officers.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

When my son went thru basic training he hadda private room, a refrigerator, a microwave...poor baby. And broads. They had broads in his platoon.

This I doubt very, very much. You don't get the private room with pretty pink curtains until after basic training. Asshole.

A bullet in the head is the same throughout the history of the Corps, you're dead.

Todays Marine, can go farther on less than his counter part of the Viet Nam era. They can survive wounds today that would have killed decades ago.

During the revolutionary war a hit in an extremity usually required amputation of the limb. Today, it doesn't. Yes, there are exceptions, there always are.

And JBJ is an exception to the human race, a throwback to the days of Neanderthal.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

This I doubt very, very much. You don't get the private room with pretty pink curtains until after basic training. Asshole.

A bullet in the head is the same throughout the history of the Corps, you're dead.

Todays Marine, can go farther on less than his counter part of the Viet Nam era. They can survive wounds today that would have killed decades ago.

During the revolutionary war a hit in an extremity usually required amputation of the limb. Today, it doesn't. Yes, there are exceptions, there always are.

And JBJ is an exception to the human race, a throwback to the days of Neanderthal.

Whats your excuse girlyman?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Whats your excuse girlyman?

For a second I was trying to emulate you, but I failed and became a real man instead. Pussy.