Are the blues states ready to welcome the 1.2 million Afghan refugees headed to US

[Counselor706]

Immigration advocates are urging the government to import 1.2 million Afghan immigrants into the United States, even as President Joe Biden’s deputies are rushing to pack roughly 100,000 Afghans into the pipeline by August 31.

On its website, the Association of Wartime Allies group suggests a goal of roughly 1.2 million:

The group is run by Kim Staffieri and Matt Zeller, who is affiliated with the liberal-run Truman National Security Project, which works with progressive groups that want to further expand migration.

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[ll74]

All states welcome refugees, because even Republican governors aren't complete assholes

 

[pecksniff]

1.2 million Afghans spread over the already diverse blue states will hardly be noticed, outside of a new "Little Kabul" neighborhood in this big city or that.

In the red states, OTOH . . .

 

[WillJ8787]

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Yes, Minnesota, in the north to a already large Afghani community that will sell apple trees and clown fish.

 

[Counselor706]

The Afghans of Fremont

One of Fremont’s most surprising and least accessible ethnic enclaves is its Afghan population, probably the largest in the Western world. To outsiders, the Afghans of Fremont seem to be a tight-knit community, faring relatively well in a new and very different place. But those who know them well see a more troubling picture. Though some Bay Area Afghans are enormously successful and have integrated fully into American life, many are not assimilating. Far too many exist in a state of suspended animation between Afghanistan and America—anxious, uprooted, belonging totally to neither culture, intensely competitive with one another but even more suspicious of outsiders. Among those concerned: local police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which have quietly intensified their scrutiny of the area’s Afghan community, worried about possible ties with Islamic terrorism.

Afghans say that California’s generous welfare benefits also played a role, along with the advice and support of several city and county officials, such as Suzanne Shenfil, director of Fremont’s Human Services Department, whom they credit with having helped refugees form their own support groups. Though many first-wave immigrants held prestigious jobs in Afghanistan—doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers—their inability to speak English often disqualified them from comparable jobs in America. Several Afghans said that many men in the first wave preferred to keep their families on welfare rather than accept work they deemed degrading or unsuitable to their education and social status.

The local police tread carefully with this secretive, suspicious community, whose experiences back in Afghanistan have made it understandably anxious about law enforcement. Most police clashes with Afghans involve what Craig Steckler, Fremont’s police chief, calls “cultural” issues. Soon after he became chief, he remembers, a gang of young Afghans tried to oust officers on patrol from what they called their “tribal lands.” “We had to spend some time reeducating them that no, actually, this was our territory and they had to respect our laws,” he says.

But Steckler’s most pressing concern must be the one that neither he nor the Oakland-based Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) would discuss: their efforts to monitor the Afghan community for signs of radicalization. At least two sources said that the FBI-led task force is investigating several Afghan and Pakistani residents of Alameda County—specifically, young men believed to have been friendly with or related to Najibullah Zazi. Earlier this year, Zazi—a 25-year-old Afghan-born Pashtun and naturalized U.S. citizen—pleaded guilty to plotting with al-Qaida to carry out multiple bombings in the New York City subway system. Zazi grew up in Queens, not California. But one of the Afghans said to be under JTTF surveillance is one of Zazi’s many cousins, a Bay Area resident said to have been in touch with him when he was traveling to New York to carry out the attack.

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[pecksniff]

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. . . worried about possible ties with Islamic terrorism.

I suspect the kind of Muslims recruitable for that purpose are the least likely to come here.

 

[KeithD]

We've already received several families in my Virginia town and we're taking care of them.

I have far less fear of their loyalty to the United States than I have for the domestic terrorist board Trumpettes who are still clinging to Donald Trump, who is still trying to effect a coup.

 

[bellisarius]

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Soon after he became chief, he remembers, a gang of young Afghans tried to oust officers on patrol from what they called their “tribal lands.” “We had to spend some time reeducating them that no, actually, this was our territory and they had to respect our laws,” he says.

That goes right to the heart of it, they are tribal. A later quote from the same source speaks of relations by blood, also a trait of tribal peoples. This tribal mind set doesn't disappear overnight, or even within several generations. They are strangers in a strange land with virtually zero common cultural norms with Western culture. Where the radicalization really begins to manifest itself isn't in the refugee's, but in their children and grand-children.

 

[icanhelp1]

We've already received several families in my Virginia town and we're taking care of them.

I have far less fear of their loyalty to the United States than I have for the domestic terrorist board Trumpettes who are still clinging to Donald Trump, who is still trying to effect a coup.

Time for the rent to go up!

 

[KeithD]

Time for the rent to go up!

You wouldn't do well here. We are a major university town--academic and steeped in education and common sense. You wouldn't fit in.

 

[pecksniff]

That goes right to the heart of it, they are tribal.

It sounds increasingly like the Taliban are the only nationalizing, unifying force in the country.

And the only potential one, unless they decide to give Communism another try.

And AIUI, even the Taliban suffers from tribal divisions.

 

[bellisarius]

It sounds increasingly like the Taliban are the only nationalizing, unifying force in the country.

And the only potential one, unless they decide to give Communism another try.

And AIUI, even the Taliban suffers from tribal divisions.

They aren't. They too are tribal in nature. Afghanistan is a LONG way away from having a functioning central government with a unified people. The Taliban may be able to give the appearance of such but it will be through brute force and terrorism. And that will will work only up until the time that elements of Tribe A attack a village primarily made up of Tribe B and then the internecine fighting will begin........again.

Their big problem in the front end will be dealing with ISIS (or whatever they're calling themselves today).

The other event to be on the lookout for is if they decide to attempt to free their fellow Muslims from oppression over in China.