Are sexually separate restrooms and changing facilities justifiable?

[renard_ruse]

Sadly, I haven now come to the resignation that feMANism has won. There are now no recognized social differences between men and women, and this WILL NOT BE REVERSED as I always simply assumed it would with a natural cultural pendulum swing. I had always felt that this idea of sameness between the sexes (not real inequality which is the femanist lie, but mere differentiation in any form) was simply unnatural and would eventually be replaced by a return to a recognition that there are fundamental and healthy naturally based difference between the sexes which manifest in various ways and should be embraced and reflected in benign ways in society for the benefit of both sexes and for civilization as a whole.

As of today, sadly, I no longer believe a reverse pendulum swing is possible. Things have probably now gone too far for that. Sooooo, the question that remains is what to do with the few remaining anomalies that still exist in the social sphere that promote or recognize differences between the sexes?

Specifically, perhaps the most obvious one, sexually segregated restrooms and other public facilities such as changing rooms or showers in high schools, public (or private) gyms, department stores, and even the military. On what rationale grounds can this sexually-based differentiation still be justified in this brave new world of unisex culture? Can this anomaly continue without being too obvious a form of hypocrisy? If so how or why?

 

[JBCorbell]

Your point is well taken. In this era of "equality" there should be no differentiation in facilities for men and women.

However, given the puritanical attitudes still prevalent in society today, I can't foresee any change in the status quo in our lifetime.

 

[TexasWife25]

Poor baby
women will never go back into the kitchen like you hoped

I feel for you

...

honest

 

[renard_ruse]

Your point is well taken. In this era of "equality" there should be no differentiation in facilities for men and women.

However, given the puritanical attitudes still prevalent in society today, I can't foresee any change in the status quo in our lifetime.

I believe it is mainly women who wish to maintain these separate facilities.

 

[renard_ruse]

Poor baby
women will never go back into the kitchen like you hoped

I feel for you

...

honest

Plenty of REAL women are still housewives to this day. I feel for you, since the idea that even one woman pursues the career of full time wife and mother is something you simply cannot stand.

I feel for you poor baby

...

honest

 

[JBCorbell]

I believe it is mainly women who wish to maintain these separate facilities.

I'm not convinced of that. Most of this sort of attitude is controlled by he religious right, ergo men.

 

[CandiCame]

I hate that shit. The different bathroom shit. What the fuck is so hard about keeping your dick in your pants until you're in the stall? I hate watching a female child and having to stand outside the door and hope- which is fucking nerve wrecking- or take her into the men's room (where the urinals are) and risk being arrested as a child molester. I actually researched this- it's just a leftover relic from the Victorian era. Family bathrooms. Not difficult. Most malls have them. You should not have to send our child into a room full of potential abductors/child molesters/ect without you. That's some hardcore BULLSHIT.

Plus, the Kentucky men's organization "Fathers for the CommonWealth" had to fight like motherfuckers to get changing tables in men's rooms. WTF?

 

[TexasWife25]

Plenty of REAL women are still housewives to this day. I feel for you, since the idea that even one woman pursues the career of full time wife and mother is something you simply cannot stand.

I feel for you poor baby

...

honest

Shockingly enough I am actually a stay at home mom
what irritates me, about you, is your judgement, that somehow
women who work outside the home must be doing "dumb jobs" and
that clearly, a woman was never meant to do anything with her life but stay
home and care for her husband and his offspring.

slaving away at a dumb job all day... That's sort of why God invented men, so they could earn the money and the lady could run the home and care for the children.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Sadly, I haven now come to the resignation that feMANism has won. There are now no recognized social differences between men and women, and this WILL NOT BE REVERSED as I always simply assumed it would with a natural cultural pendulum swing. I had always felt that this idea of sameness between the sexes (not real inequality which is the femanist lie, but mere differentiation in any form) was simply unnatural and would eventually be replaced by a return to a recognition that there are fundamental and healthy naturally based difference between the sexes which manifest in various ways and should be embraced and reflected in benign ways in society for the benefit of both sexes and for civilization as a whole.

As of today, sadly, I no longer believe a reverse pendulum swing is possible. Things have probably now gone too far for that. Sooooo, the question that remains is what to do with the few remaining anomalies that still exist in the social sphere that promote or recognize differences between the sexes?

Specifically, perhaps the most obvious one, sexually segregated restrooms and other public facilities such as changing rooms or showers in high schools, public (or private) gyms, department stores, and even the military. On what rationale grounds can this sexually-based differentiation still be justified in this brave new world of unisex culture? Can this anomaly continue without being too obvious a form of hypocrisy? If so how or why?

An amazing opinion considering the tons of data on the differences in pay for men & women.

 

[badbabysitter]

An amazing opinion considering the tons of data on the differences in pay for men & women.

" facts" and "data" and "research" are just tools of the Librul-media-feminist-conzzzzpiracy

which is why renard never utilizes them

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

" facts" and "data" and "research" are just tools of the Librul-media-feminist-conzzzzpiracy

which is why renard never utilizes them

Silly me.

 

[CandiCame]

I believe it is mainly women who wish to maintain these separate facilities.

Then... you would believe wrong. The whole separate facility thing was established and maintained by the patriarchy. It's actually something that the feminists protested during the civil rights movement. My grandmother was actually involved in a protest over the restroom issue (and a bunch of other shit) at city hall in my home town. It's not one of the major remembered issues, but it is, as she and I both believe, Constitutionally unsound. Separate but equal is not equal. And what about transsexual, questioning or gender confused people? It's just fucking ridiculous.

 

[firenzi]

Sadly, I haven now come to the resignation that feMANism has won. There are now no recognized social differences between men and women, and this WILL NOT BE REVERSED as I always simply assumed it would with a natural cultural pendulum swing. I had always felt that this idea of sameness between the sexes (not real inequality which is the femanist lie, but mere differentiation in any form) was simply unnatural and would eventually be replaced by a return to a recognition that there are fundamental and healthy naturally based difference between the sexes which manifest in various ways and should be embraced and reflected in benign ways in society for the benefit of both sexes and for civilization as a whole.

As of today, sadly, I no longer believe a reverse pendulum swing is possible. Things have probably now gone too far for that. Sooooo, the question that remains is what to do with the few remaining anomalies that still exist in the social sphere that promote or recognize differences between the sexes?

Specifically, perhaps the most obvious one, sexually segregated restrooms and other public facilities such as changing rooms or showers in high schools, public (or private) gyms, department stores, and even the military. On what rationale grounds can this sexually-based differentiation still be justified in this brave new world of unisex culture? Can this anomaly continue without being too obvious a form of hypocrisy? If so how or why?

If you think society is unisex you need to get outside more.

As for unisex washrooms- I've experienced multi stall unisex public washrooms in a university dorm and in Europe, complete with urinals. It's kind of awkward and creepy when it's just you and one other guy. Even just fixing your hair at the same time in front of the mirror feels just flat out wrong (not so much in dorm, but in the truly public ones).

We just want a place to pee, put on lipstick, and gossip in private with other girls. Is that too much to ask?

 

[CandiCame]

If you think society is unisex you need to get outside more.

As for unisex washrooms- I've experienced multi stall unisex public washrooms in a university dorm and in Europe, complete with urinals. It's kind of awkward and creepy when it's just you and one other guy. Even just fixing your hair at the same time in front of the mirror feels just flat out wrong (not so much in dorm, but in the truly public ones).

We just want a place to pee, put on lipstick, and gossip in private with other girls. Is that too much to ask?

Yeah. How many bathrooms did you have in your house? Didn't you have any brothers? That's really, really selfish and sexist. WTF does it matter that he's a guy? You think a guy gives a shit if you fix your hair or make-up? They care more that I fix my hair and make-up.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If you think society is unisex you need to get outside more.

As for unisex washrooms- I've experienced multi stall unisex public washrooms in a university dorm and in Europe, complete with urinals. It's kind of awkward and creepy when it's just you and one other guy. Even just fixing your hair at the same time in front of the mirror feels just flat out wrong (not so much in dorm, but in the truly public ones).

We just want a place to pee, put on lipstick, and gossip in private with other girls. Is that too much to ask?

And men want a place to not make eye contact, stare at the ceiling, have no conversation or possibly read a newspaper.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yeah. How many bathrooms did you have in your house? Didn't you have any brothers? That's really, really selfish and sexist. WTF does it matter that he's a guy? You think a guy gives a shit if you fix your hair or make-up? They care more that I fix my hair and make-up.

I really don't want to know what women do in the restroom. Even in relationships I've always maintained the door should be closed and the water should be running.

 

[shoulderblade]

I believe it is mainly women who wish to maintain these separate facilities.

I would certainly think so. Unisex facilities would attract the wrong sort of males.
Aggressive, dull minded and crude. If I were a female this would be the last sort of company I would want to run into, especially in a situation that involves what are naturally private activities.

 

[CandiCame]

It's the FUCKING BATHROOM people. You fuck in the shower- not the toilet. This entire thread is gross and I refuse to be a part of it.

And I took it up ass after I had been deer hunting and cleaned a corpse- without bathing- in a tent. And I went ass to mouth. And I think that you guys are gross.

It's not a place to get molested. You just have to piss.

BTW, as a guy- I just wanna say that I could do without urinals. As a concept. Especially the kind that are basically a shared trough. I don't need that. I could piss outside if I were going to do that.

*blushes, believing he just reviled himself to be a hick.*
*shrugs*
*stands by it*

 

[firenzi]

Yeah. How many bathrooms did you have in your house? Didn't you have any brothers? That's really, really selfish and sexist. WTF does it matter that he's a guy? You think a guy gives a shit if you fix your hair or make-up? They care more that I fix my hair and make-up.

No brothers, but I have no issues with sharing washrooms at home with boyfriends, in fact it was only last week that I got a huge lecture about toilet paper. I finish peeing and he's brushing his teeth.
"what the fuck are you doing?!?!"
"what does it look like I'm getting some toilet off the roll"
"you don't need to use that much, what are you crazy? here, you don't need more than this, why do you need more than this many squares? if you fold it like this you'll get more efficient use of the surface area. blah blah blah blah etc. etc."

But fixing your hair with strange guys is creepy! There was this one time in Rome, there was only like one little mirror and we were like fighting for space around the sink and I really wanted to brush my hair but he was hogging all the space and taking his sweet time. And sometimes you think you've gone into the wrong washroom because of the urinals. Or suddenly a guy pops out of a stall. It's creepy!

 

[Sexymommakat]

i dont think it has anything to do with equality, i dont want to have to share a bathroom with some strange dude or two. do you boys want to have share the bathroom with a woman on her time of the month? And how awkward would it be to be out of tp and have to ask the man in the stall next to you to pass some under that partition. I have nothing against the sexes being equal, i just dont think i could handle having to share a bathroom with guys other than my hubby.

 

[Cheyenne]

i dont think it has anything to do with equality, i dont want to have to share a bathroom with some strange dude or two. do you boys want to have share the bathroom with a woman on her time of the month? And how awkward would it be to be out of tp and have to ask the man in the stall next to you to pass some under that partition. I have nothing against the sexes being equal, i just dont think i could handle having to share a bathroom with guys other than my hubby.

Exactly.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I've been to nudist camps, and even there the public toilet facilities are screened from public view and segregated by sex. Apparently there are some things even nudists would rather do in private, or at least out of view of the opposite sex.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Sadly, I haven now come to the resignation that feMANism has won. There are now no recognized social differences between men and women, and this WILL NOT BE REVERSED as I always simply assumed it would with a natural cultural pendulum swing. I had always felt that this idea of sameness between the sexes (not real inequality which is the femanist lie, but mere differentiation in any form) was simply unnatural and would eventually be replaced by a return to a recognition that there are fundamental and healthy naturally based difference between the sexes which manifest in various ways and should be embraced and reflected in benign ways in society for the benefit of both sexes and for civilization as a whole.

As of today, sadly, I no longer believe a reverse pendulum swing is possible. Things have probably now gone too far for that. Sooooo, the question that remains is what to do with the few remaining anomalies that still exist in the social sphere that promote or recognize differences between the sexes?

Specifically, perhaps the most obvious one, sexually segregated restrooms and other public facilities such as changing rooms or showers in high schools, public (or private) gyms, department stores, and even the military. On what rationale grounds can this sexually-based differentiation still be justified in this brave new world of unisex culture? Can this anomaly continue without being too obvious a form of hypocrisy? If so how or why?

I will not share public bathrooms with women. They are dirtier than mens rooms for gods sake!

 

[Nerdy_Harold]

Separate but equal is not a hard concept. Women want equality and they should have it; however, they really don't want us leering at them in the same bathroom and I do not blame them.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think females oughta use restrooms where lotsa guys hangout waiting for females to show up.