are prisons too easy ?

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this isnt a serious thread but its something pretty funny that happened at work


a customer was buying a game boy advance so i was helping suggesting games and such and the best deals i offered them a deal where they could get a free power adapter with it ... but the customer said "oh no he wouldnt be able to use that they arent allowed to use power points in prison"


it surprised me some that they would be allowed to play game boy advance's in prison i found it quite funny though imaging half the prison playing on their game boy advances using 4 way link up :)
 
My Ex worked at a prison. The prisoners were allowed to earn money through jobs, andfamily could send them money. They had a little store to buy stuff from. They were allowed TV's and cable. Just before my Ex got fired they started putting in a little Pizza bar so that the inmates could buy themselves pizza. These things were all extras that the inmates could get if they were good and if they were willing to work. On one hand I think it is good that they are encouraging them to work for their rewards, on the other I think prisons may be to nice.
 
Believe me, having been in the military, knowing that I was there for the next X amount of months to years, I had a small inkling of what it must be like to be in prison - and we had 30 days of leave a year, and many weekends off duty.

The hardest thing about prison for me would not be the lack of modern day "luxuries" - I have done without those before, but the lack of freedom and privacy; being told when and how to do everything and being watched every minute. Living in the equivalent of a 4x8 cubicle (or smaller) and being there with the scum of the earth, would be no fun either.

I can understand how the granting of priviledges such as watching TV, etc. is a necessary tool to be used for discipline and as incentive for good behavior. I do not think that prisoners have rights to these things (except maybe for news, letters from outside, and a law library - that type of stuff), and that they may be denied for reasons of discipline or used as rewards for good behavior.
 
geez

I wonder what kind of prison that was? I know federal prisons give their inmates a lot more "comforts" than state prisons do.

Where I work the only kind of electronics they are allowed to have is a radio w/ earphones, which they buy from the canteen with their own money. They have TV's in their dayroom but not personal tv's in their cells.

I don't think they miss the "luxuries" so much after they have been in there for a while. I think what they miss most is their families and having contact with the outside world.

Believe me, I am the last person to be a bleeding heart for the inamtes but, I think we'd have a lot less disciplinary problems if there was a reward system for good behavior. I heard in some institutions they allow disciplinary free inmates watch a movie every month. I think that is a good idea.
 
Just finished a prison here in Indiana: 52 basketball courts, cd & video library, free law library, kiln, 10 pool tables, two softball diamonds,ten ping pong tables, fully equipped weight/training facility all the modern machines, free college education, free lawyers.........no I think prison would be a very harsh place. Let them have the power points too and keys to the gates.




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Anyone wanna go to prison?

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As the majority of prison inmates...

are not of the hardened criminal type (hell even in New Jersey they're jailing schoolteachers over a labour dispute) I think care should be taken where we place different categories of prisoner.

For the majority where the emphasis should really be placed on re-habillitation, or just a place to keep them whilst they serve their time for what can be extremely minor offences, then I'd say gameboys and power points wouldn't cause a problem.

As a footnote.

Americans don't have this problem but in the UK we have to purchase an annual licence (£100) to view TV. Many people object to this and try to evade the licence fee. If caught they are liable to a fine (£1000) or a prison sentence.

There are a surprising number of people doing time for this "criminal" activity!

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PP man, that is a real problem with this countrys prisons

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Re: PP man, that is a real problem with this countrys prisons

Siren said:
To give alternative sentencing in the beginning of a criminal career and true opportunities to change and be productive......
not throwing the first time criminal in the prison to become a waste of human life.

We ought to try it.............this way aint working.
We might also try not locking up three quarters of a million people for drug offenses - some significant number of those people are in there for simple possession. Such laws may intimidate someone like me whose worst nightmare is to be imprisoned, and who doesn't do drugs in the first place, but obviously there are a lot of people for whom it is not a deterrent.

If we didn't lock up so many people for simple possession, maybe we would have enough room for people who should be locked up, for however long, to protect society.

We might also try making illicit drugs less expensive (by decriminalizing them, and/or by defunding drug interdiction), thereby reducing any violent crime and/or property crimes enacted in order to get money to pay for drugs.
 
Well said Shy Guy, well said

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We have similar problems Siren...

Overcrowded prisons. Not enough segregation. Too many prison sentences for minor infringements of the law.

It does lead to trouble.

The Scandinavians seem to have it worked out. Minor offenders are housed during the week in hostel type accommodation, where they are allowed conjugal(sp) visits and are allowed home at weekends.

In the UK we're still experimenting with the radio transmitter strapped to prisoners' ankles so the authorities know where they are at any given time.

But a lot of our minor offenders are in prison because of outdated laws and they really shouldn't be there in the first place.

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IN PRISON

There are a lot of jail guards that jack off on Sylvester Stallone prison movies and get thier jollies beating inmates. It's on of the few jobs other than being a cop where you can get a paid vacation for killing someone and be protected by a good old boy system paid for with my property taxes. Dozens of inmates have died in Oregon from this kind of abuse and no one has ever gone to jail for it.
 
The problem here PP man is that we wont admit our prison system is a failure

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Re: Anyone wanna go to prison?

Siren said:
In my legal work, I have been to just about every prison in California....
easy?
fun?
pleasant?

NOT on your fucking life..........

The 'comfort' items such as exercise stuff and TV or library areas are incentives.......

Incentives to control the inmate population from acting out hostilities and gang related activities......

Otherwise, the prisons would be worse.

Many say, hell just get more guards instead of 'goodies' for the inmates.........well, do YOU want to pay more taxes to hire more when a simple basketball court will do the same thing?

And anyway,,,,,,,,even with those incentives....remember
you get raped,
you have to join a gang or be a constant target
you have to get protection or be a bitch to someone
you have to make your bones or be a constant victim.........

Prisons are not easy.
Prisons are hell
and the prisoners are the animals.........
the guards the gate keepers

and

The goodies are the apparatus the animals in the zoo play on.


Sounds too cruel?
Nope, it is reality.


Do a major crime do HARD time......I do not feel sorry for criminals.


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Re: The problem here PP man is that we wont admit our prison system is a failure

Siren said:
nor that our war on drugs is a failure as well.

We steadfastly hold onto these fantasies that this system is protecting us and keeping society safe from the criminal element......

when in fact, we are creating a worse criminal element than we have ever had in the past.

We need to wake up before we find ourselves knee deep in prisons, and waist deep in criminals stalking us.

after all, while in the zoo these 'animal's' hone their skills on how to be a better and more violent predator for their food when they get out........

and guess who becomes the deer?
US>


Bring back hanging, the "chair" and firing squads.


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Shy guy you are missing my point completely

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Re: Well said Shy Guy, well said

Siren said:
This is the result of Reagan and Bush # 1's
War on Drugs..........
Actually the war on drugs started back in 1875, but picked up in earnest here in the US in the '30s, then there was a quiet period until the sixties Nixon started the modern version of the Drug War. Reagan, lauded by many conservatives cum Libertarians greatly escalated the war with his pushing through and signing into law several measures that greatly expanded civil forfeiture, zero tolerance and drug enforcement.

The Carter admin pushed the Drug War too - I remember because I was involved in drug interdiction then, but it really picked up when Reagan came into office - although I left just about a month after he came into office.

Clinton was a little more sensible, and IIRC, there was a greater emphasis on drug education/prevention, but he had his "Drug War czar" too. No admin is innocent in this regard - they all cave to the political winds on drugs - none of them have the backbone to be a leader in this regard.
 
Re: Shy guy you are missing my point completely

Ummm - do you meant that for pdx39 or "registered" instead?
 
hell, lets just include all of ya

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Re: Shy guy you are missing my point completely

Siren said:
You see, after you dehumanize a person, think of them as animals, treat them as animals........they become animals......

and you become a zoo keeper.........it is easier to mistreat them once they are animals in your mind........and easier to kill as well.


So far Siren, I have been pleased with your comments. Most are right on the head. But, I have to stop you right here, as well as pdx39.

Until you have actually worked behind that razor wire you will never know what I know. You can visit and take your little tours, you can listen to the "whole truth and nothing but the truth" correspondence you get from inmates, but NOTHING with compare to actually being there.

My job, as a correctional officer, is not to judge or carry out punishment on the inmates. I am not a counselor, nor a therapist, nor their friend. My job is to make sure they stay inside the fences so you and your family can sleep at night. My job is to find the homemade weapons and contraband the inmates hide to ensure the safety of everyone inside those gates.

I did not make them "animals", the criminal justice system did not make them animals. That is the excuse people make when they can not rationalize the heinous crimes these people commit.

They made themselves animals when they decided to torture, rape, mutilate, and murder our society.

As a correctional officer my hands are tied. An inmate can curse me, spit on me, throw piss or shit on me, or jack off at me and my only recourse is to write him up. If I convince the disciplinary committee, with my report writing skills, that the inmate did in fact violate, then he will spend time in confinement. BIG FREAKIN DEAL! Most of the inmates will tell me to my face that confinement is vacation time for them. They don't have to work or go to school. Their meals are delivered to them.

I am not saying that we should be allowed to kick ass and have a free for all on them but shit!!... if you were on the street, in a club... and a man came up to you and spit in your face you would want to kick his ass into the ground too.
 
Re: Re: hell, lets just include all of ya

Shy Tall Guy said:
Sort of a "nuke 'em all, and let God sort them out" kind of reply then? :eek:


:D


There ya go........best solution.....and easier on my wallet too...they can lower taxes instead of suppling free lawyers for a 30 year appeal......oh i forgot.,they are all innocent........as O.J.


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