Are lust murder stories popular?

[snar]

I'm new here and wondering if lust murder stories are popular. I've seen a lot of non-consensual stories on literotica but not lust murder stories (where the victim actually dies and isn't saved at the end or something). If anyone knows of stories in this genre already posted, I'd appreciate links. Thanks.

 

[snar]

Any opinions one way or the other would be helpful because I do not know anything about the erotic literature market and I had thought that lust murder was a common fantasy, like the rape fantasy, but was recently told that it is actually uncommon. Now I'm not sure and I don't want to write a story that no one would want to read, so any thoughts from authors and readers would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[KarennaC]

There aren't any lust murder stories on here because Literotica doesn't allow snuff; I'm assuming that what you mean by "lust murder" is someone killing someone else for sexual gratification? Sorry if that's an incorrect assumption on my part.

 

[snar]

Yes, that is what I meant. Thanks for letting me know. I guess I should find and read the guidelines! Do you happen to know why it is not allowed?

After seeing some of the other topics (rape, incest, etc.), I thought it was pretty much anything goes. I'm not trying to argue any point or anything. Just trying to understand what's allowed and why and also what's popular / unpopular.

That's too bad about it not being allowed.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

I'm sure such a tale would pass in Erotic Horror though. They have a disclaimer that stories within that category are written with the idea in mind like 70s and 80s horror/slasher gore movies were.

 

[snar]

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but does anyone know why they're not allowed?

I tried to find out why by reading the guidelines but didn't see any reasons. I'm only asking because I'm curious.

Bedtime Stories - Thank you very much for the horror category suggestion. It gave me a very good idea of what is allowed and what is not.

 

[ThePhoenixMan]

Snar --- basically because it's their ball and if you don't play by their rules, they take the ball away!

It's basically as simple as that!

However, you could possibly get away with a murder mystery with lots of sex involved!

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... However, you could possibly get away with a murder mystery with lots of sex involved!

Oh yes. I'm sure you could do that, and even a serial rapist who kills his victims afterwards to avoid capture would be OK. There are even a number of cannibalism stories on here. Unfortunately what snar wants to read/write is killing during sex, and to increase the pleasure, which is a real no-no here.

 

[KarennaC]

I have read one or two stories here where I think the victim dies during or immediately after the act, I believe in the Erotic Horror section like Bedtime said, but those deaths were because the perp was a murderous something-or-other, not because the perp got their rocks off by killing someone. Small distinction, but a discinction nonetheless.

I'm not sure why the rule against snuff exists, but it seems pretty common across the board with erotica publishers and magazines, so I'm guessing that might have something to do with it. Laurel and Manu, the site owners, would be the ones who'd know why.

I wrote an erotic horror story here about a woman who sucks the "life force energy" from her partner at orgasm; I originally had her partners dying when that happened but rewrote it so they ended up in permanent comas because I wasn't sure where the line was between dying during sex and snuff stories.

 

[Sensualist2]

Lust and Murder Heh heh heh!

It is my impression that the subset of people who get off on stories of murderous lust or vice versa, is really small, not just here but in the real world as well. I mean, how many Ed Gein's have there been in the last ten years.

But, maybe that's just my bias. I really don't care for rape scenes, either unless they are truly important for character development or explanation. I tend to think of (and write about)
sexual acts as primarily pleasure-focused for all participants. As we know, rape is about power, not about sex. So I think murderous lust is also mostly about power and the sexual part is a byproduct.

But, what do I really know? I'm a lover, not a fighter.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

I wrote an erotic horror story here about a woman who sucks the "life force energy" from her partner at orgasm; I originally had her partners dying when that happened but rewrote it so they ended up in permanent comas because I wasn't sure where the line was between dying during sex and snuff stories.

You can have them die. I've written a number of stories that have ended that way and not had any rejected so far.

My guess is it probably comes down to the intent.

The big no-no is a story clearly written to arouse people who get their rocks off on the thought of torturing and murdering someone for sexual gratification. For obvious reasons.

There's probably still room for horror stories that feature those sort of characters though. I guess it's up to the author then to make it clear enough that it is a horror tale and not just a piece of snuff porn for sickos.

 

[DarkBee]

I wrote and posted 2 stories where the women involved were drugged, raped and then tortured to death. Both were approved, although ratings are pretty low.

 

[emap]

I beleive everybody is forgetting something, snuff is illegal. I mean granted if you look hard enough you can find snuff films that are not quite illegal but the victim doesn't actually die either. Watch 8MM sometime it covers snuff films, sorta kinda.

So obviously a snuff story can be claimed as not an actual murder because well, obviously there is no actual victim. However it is still not a terribly good subject matter so most places will take a peek at a snuff story and say no.

Besides, snuff stories or films are only liked by a very small percentage of the population so there really isn't a market for it and chances are incredibly good the person or persons running a story site don't like the material so just don't allow it.

 

[snar]

Thanks for the answer. It's fascinating. Way more people are into things like incest and sci-fi erotica than I imagined and way less into what I'm into. I guess since people don't really talk about porn in every day life, you never really know until you ask somewhere like here.

Thanks much for the info on both the rules here and on the market demand (or lack there of) in general.

( KarennaC - that is too funny about the distinction... that it was OK as long as the murderer wasn't getting any sexual thrill from what he was doing. Isn't that the point in an erotic story? To have great sex? )

 

[emap]

Yes but the distinction is he did not get a sexul thrill out of the killing, he just took his pleasure and then killed her. Different from a snuff film since in a snuff the killing is what gets him off, or something like that I don't watch those.

 

[KarennaC]

Thanks for the answer. It's fascinating. Way more people are into things like incest and sci-fi erotica than I imagined and way less into what I'm into. I guess since people don't really talk about porn in every day life, you never really know until you ask somewhere like here.

Thanks much for the info on both the rules here and on the market demand (or lack there of) in general.

( KarennaC - that is too funny about the distinction... that it was OK as long as the murderer wasn't getting any sexual thrill from what he was doing. Isn't that the point in an erotic story? To have great sex? )

Great sex, absolutely, but killing someone to make yourself come isn't sex, it's murder. That's the distinction.

 

[snar]

Yes but the distinction is he did not get a sexul thrill out of the killing, he just took his pleasure and then killed her.

Right. So in both cases, the plots would have both sex and murder. And that is ok. The only distinction would be what is going through the protagonist's mind?

Yep.... I'm never going to wrap my head around this one. Might as well stop now and grab that cup of coffee....

 

[KarennaC]

Right. So in both cases, the plots would have both sex and murder. And that is ok. The only distinction would be what is going through the protagonist's mind?

Yep.... I'm never going to wrap my head around this one. Might as well stop now and grab that cup of coffee....

Yeah, that's pretty much it. If the perp is a psycho who rapes people and then murders them afterward to cover up his crime, that would be acceptable here. If the perp is someone who rapes people and murders them during the act because it's the only way he can orgasm, or because it heightens his arousal, that's snuff and would not be acceptable.

At least that's how I understand it. Could I have some coffee too, please?

 

[snar]

Passing a nice, hot, cup of coffee your way...

 

[KarennaC]

Yay, thanks!

Got any creamer?

 

[snoopercharmbrights]