Arab-American from Michigan crowned Miss USA.

[sadangel]

Miss Michigan crowned Miss USA.

She is believed to be the first Arab-American to win the coveted crown. Way to go Rima Fakih. You've done well!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Hmmm....

Question: Should birth control be paid for by health insurance?

Answer: "I believe that birth control is just like every other medication even though it's a controlled substance."

 

[cloudy]

Hmmm....

Question: Should birth control be paid for by health insurance?

Answer: "I believe that birth control is just like every other medication even though it's a controlled substance."

How was she wrong, Zeb?

 

[driphoney]

Hmmm....

Question: Should birth control be paid for by health insurance?

Answer: "I believe that birth control is just like every other medication even though it's a controlled substance."

She can't help the question she was asked. *shrug*

But I'm not going into what I think of beauty pageants.

 

[Katyusha]

How was she wrong, Zeb?

She doesn't seem to know what a controlled substance is. By legal definition, a controlled substance is "a drug which has been declared by federal or state law to be illegal for sale or use, but may be dispensed under a physician's prescription. The basis for control and regulation is the danger of addiction, abuse, physical and mental harm (including death), the trafficking by illegal means, and the dangers from actions of those who have used the substances." (From The Free Dictionary.com) Birth control is not, under that definition, a controlled substance.

However, the popular definition of a controlled substance is any medication requiring a doctor's prescription to obtain. Birth control drugs require that prescription. By saying "even though it's a controlled substance" she's differentiating it from other prescription drugs which demonstrates a lack of understanding of even the popular definition of the term.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I mean, aint it just like a raghead to say what she said? Just like those bird-brains who tried to land the jets atop the World Trade Center instead of at the airport.

 

[driphoney]

She doesn't seem to know what a controlled substance is. By legal definition, a controlled substance is "a drug which has been declared by federal or state law to be illegal for sale or use, but may be dispensed under a physician's prescription. The basis for control and regulation is the danger of addiction, abuse, physical and mental harm (including death), the trafficking by illegal means, and the dangers from actions of those who have used the substances." (From The Free Dictionary.com) Birth control is not, under that definition, a controlled substance.

However, the popular definition of a controlled substance is any medication requiring a doctor's prescription to obtain. Birth control drugs require that prescription. By saying "even though it's a controlled substance" she's differentiating it from other prescription drugs which demonstrates a lack of understanding of even the popular definition of the term.

Learn something new everyday! I've never had much to do with drugs, legal or illegal. Medications outside of painkillers or allergy meds, aside. So, I've never really thought about it.

*shrug*
Heading back under my rock ......

 

[Zeb_Carter]

She doesn't seem to know what a controlled substance is. By legal definition, a controlled substance is "a drug which has been declared by federal or state law to be illegal for sale or use, but may be dispensed under a physician's prescription. The basis for control and regulation is the danger of addiction, abuse, physical and mental harm (including death), the trafficking by illegal means, and the dangers from actions of those who have used the substances." (From The Free Dictionary.com) Birth control is not, under that definition, a controlled substance.

However, the popular definition of a controlled substance is any medication requiring a doctor's prescription to obtain. Birth control drugs require that prescription. By saying "even though it's a controlled substance" she's differentiating it from other prescription drugs which demonstrates a lack of understanding of even the popular definition of the term.

Most eloquently put...also the expectation that health insurance should pay for her use of birth control. It doesn't pay for condoms, why should it pay for birth control pills? It's not medicine. The only condition it prevents is pregnancy, although in some circumstances it does regulate a woman's menstrual cycle, it basically prevents no disease, controls no known illness nor corrects a debilitating sickness.

ETA: In answer to Cloudy's question...I never said she was wrong.

 

[michchick98]

The only condition it prevents is pregnancy, although in some circumstances it does regulate a woman's menstrual cycle, it basically prevents no disease, controls no known illness nor corrects a debilitating sickness.

Endometriosis can be debilitating. Ask any woman who's been diagnosed with it. A doctor prescribing birth control to regulate a woman's menstrual cycle can ease the symptoms of Endometriosis. Speaking from first hand knowledge and experience here.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Jeez, people, give the kid a break. She's a beauty contestant, not a professor emeritus of philosophy. Accept her as incredibly decorative and leave off the snide remarks. Sheesh!

 

[sadangel]

Jeez, people, give the kid a break. She's a beauty contestant, not a professor emeritus of philosophy. Accept her as incredibly decorative and leave off the snide remarks. Sheesh!

*hugs Bear*
Thank you!

 

[cloudy]

Jeez, people, give the kid a break. She's a beauty contestant, not a professor emeritus of philosophy. Accept her as incredibly decorative and leave off the snide remarks. Sheesh!

Which was my point, although not made a succinctly as you did.

 

[Loring2]

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Most eloquently put...also the expectation that health insurance should pay for her use of birth control. It doesn't pay for condoms, why should it pay for birth control pills? It's not medicine. The only condition it prevents is pregnancy, although in some circumstances it does regulate a woman's menstrual cycle, it basically prevents no disease, controls no known illness nor corrects a debilitating sickness.

ETA: In answer to Cloudy's question...I never said she was wrong.

Recent ads are in deed selling it as a menstrual cycle control mechanism and by some inferential logic it becomes a medicine rather than a device used in a form of sport.

 

[cloudy]

Recent ads are in deed selling it as a menstrual cycle control mechanism and by some inferential logic it becomes a medicine rather than a device used in a form of sport.

Do you even know how to read at all?

Endometriosis can be debilitating. Ask any woman who's been diagnosed with it. A doctor prescribing birth control to regulate a woman's menstrual cycle can ease the symptoms of Endometriosis. Speaking from first hand knowledge and experience here.

 

[Katyusha]

Endometriosis can be debilitating. Ask any woman who's been diagnosed with it. A doctor prescribing birth control to regulate a woman's menstrual cycle can ease the symptoms of Endometriosis. Speaking from first hand knowledge and experience here.

Ayup.

I've never had endo, but I do have extremely irregular cycles without the pill. By "extremely" I mean my cycles vary from 2 weeks to 5 months. There's no way to track it, no pattern, no nothing. It's bad enough having no idea when you're going to start bleeding...but when it's been more than 8 weeks the bleeding gets really, really bad. I'd have a very heavy flow for about five days, plus the lighter flow on either side of that, so I'd bleed for 8-10 days straight, longer if it had been more than 3 months. And a flow that heavy causes severe anemia that, at least for me, iron supplements and iron-rich foods couldn't remedy.

So now we have two stories of the pill helping with medical conditions...doing something more than just preventing pregnancy. There are many, many more out there.

 

[TE999]

Congrats to Ms. Fakih...her poise, talent and beauty earned her the coveted crown.

It's another 'first' for another hyphenated American...as if that makes any difference...we're all Americans...what's with all the ancestry identification anyway?

We have African-Americans not born in Africa, Italian-Americans not born in Italy, Mexican-Americans not born in Mexico, Arabian-Americans not born in 'Arabia'; is there a credible reason for all this ethnic balkanization?

I don't call myself a Scots-American, although I could if I chose. I could (and do) wear my kilt in my clan tartan...but only at Highland Games.

It's fine to celebrate your ethnicity, but you're an American first and foremost, we all are, and your first allegiance is to the country of your birth or your adopted country.

Let's celebrate the new Miss USA as a person, not her ethnicity.

 

[Loring2]

Yup

Which was my point, although not made a succinctly as you did.

Yeah you guys are right of course but the Pageants are all hype in the first place and these young women aren't prepared to be smooth, sophisticated, sexy and intelligent all in the same package. Beauty has little or nothing to do with any of it.

I don't know if any of you sophisticates ever watch the TV Show "Good Wife" on CBS. A Lawyer show with many women; brains and beauty don't mix. One distracts from the other.

Now the PI on the show is different. She's a flawed beauty, her nose is much to big and the wrong shape I'd be surprised if anybody said she was beautiful except maybe in Lebanon.

I know none of you watch TV .... me either but some of the stuff on that show came from me and you get to see a woman who isn't going to win Beauty Pageants and never did but I tell you she is in the vernacular "an instant erection" and as smart as anyone can be.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Yeah you guys are right of course but the Pageants are all hype in the first place and these young women aren't prepared to be smooth, sophisticated, sexy and intelligent all in the same package. Beauty has little or nothing to do with any of it.

I don't know if any of you sophisticates ever watch the TV Show "Good Wife" on CBS. A Lawyer show with many women; brains and beauty don't mix. One distracts from the other.

Now the PI on the show is different. She's a flawed beauty, her nose is much to big and the wrong shape I'd be surprised if anybody said she was beautiful except maybe in Lebanon.

I know none of you watch TV .... me either but some of the stuff on that show came from me and you get to see a woman who isn't going to win Beauty Pageants and never did but I tell you she is in the vernacular "an instant erection" and as smart as anyone can be.

"Good Wife" isn't on the viewing schedule in our house but we love "Castle" where the poor hero is constantly being bossed around by his mother, daughter and the detective Beckett. Our other favorite character is Hettie on NCSI-LA. If anything happens to HM (God forbid) my requirements for another SO are brains, libido and physical fitness--in that order.

 

[Loring2]

America the hyphen

Congrats to Ms. Fakih...her poise, talent and beauty earned her the coveted crown.

It's another 'first' for another hyphenated American...as if that makes any difference...we're all Americans...what's with all the ancestry identification anyway?

We have African-Americans not born in Africa, Italian-Americans not born in Italy, Mexican-Americans not born in Mexico, Arabian-Americans not born in 'Arabia'; is there a credible reason for all this ethnic balkanization?

I don't call myself a Scots-American, although I could if I chose. I could (and do) wear my kilt in my clan tartan...but only at Highland Games.

It's fine to celebrate your ethnicity, but you're an American first and foremost, we all are, and your first allegiance is to the country of your birth or your adopted country.

Let's celebrate the new Miss America as a person, not her ethnicity.

I'm glad you posted this reply TE; it's been a sore spot with the woman who has been in my life for the last 25 years. She's a retired Army Officer (Lt.Col)and being an American is more than just important to her and she is also a 'coal miner's daughter' .

There was a small party in LaLa land for the retirement of yours truly last month and the punch was both tasty and volatile and a question about the origin of my real last name came up. It's a very well known name in other parts of the world but not so here in America so the topic of name origin came up somewhat naturally.

There were hyphenated Americans everywhere and the yakking centered on it; everyone seemed to be claiming something superior about Europe as opposed to America these days and I could see Jo getting upset.
Well the Colonel wasn't just upset ... she was pissed and then in a loud voice announced "Come on dammit ... our ancestors came here to get away from Europe and Asia and Africa to make a better place for themselves and they did and it still is ... even for old guys like Steve" (me).

This was followed by silence and then a bit of laughter and then cheers.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Congratulations to the new Miss USA. There is a minor scandal cooking, but I don't think it has any legs. http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...of_pageant_winner_may_strip_her_of_her_c.html

The costume she wore in the contest is less provocative than the one she wore onstage in the Miss USA pageant.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Now the PI on the show is different. She's a flawed beauty, her nose is much to big and the wrong shape I'd be surprised if anybody said she was beautiful except maybe in Lebanon.

You don't find prominent noses attractive in women. Got it. That's all you really needed to say. I'm sure lots and lots of other people besides you find her very attractive and sexy, and thereby "win" by fiat of numbers. Regardless if they're from Lebanon or Portland or Sri Lanka or Tokyo.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Loring2
Now the PI on the show is different. She's a flawed beauty, her nose is much to big and the wrong shape I'd be surprised if anybody said she was beautiful except maybe in Lebanon.

You don't find prominent noses attractive in women. Got it. That's all you really needed to say. I'm sure lots and lots of other people besides you find her very attractive and sexy, and thereby "win" by fiat of numbers. Regardless if they're from Lebanon or Portland or Sri Lanka or Tokyo.

I certainly would never call the new Miss USA a flawed beauty. I do believe her figure is a bit thin, but her face is beautiful. I don't know if I would have voted for her if I had been a judge, but I certainly would not have voted against her.

 

[Liar]

What's this about her nose? Looks like it's in the right place and everything.

http://www.kobayat.org/data/events/ulcm/wlcu-leb/miss_rima-fakih.jpg

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews....a-rima-fakih-stripping-contest-photos-emerge/

PRACTICING FOR MISS USA CONTEST.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Let's celebrate the new Miss America as a person, not her ethnicity.

She was crowned Miss USA a completely different pageant. The women in the Miss America Pageant are just a bit smarter.