AOC and other sexy political figures
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Zeb_Carter
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Agree... except I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot poll or a ten inch dick. Plus, I would have to duct tape her mouth shut so I wouldn't have to listen to her whiny about stupid shit.
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I sort of get the "politician erotica" thing, but only sort of, and it doesn't interest me personally.
But to those who ARE interested in this, I have a question: what turns you on more, a story about a politician you DON'T like, or about one you do? Is your attitude about this genre one of romance and attraction toward politicians you like or agree with, or a desire to see those you don't like or agree with humiliated or degraded?
But to those who ARE interested in this, I have a question: what turns you on more, a story about a politician you DON'T like, or about one you do? Is your attitude about this genre one of romance and attraction toward politicians you like or agree with, or a desire to see those you don't like or agree with humiliated or degraded?
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Definitely the latter; the one's you DON'T like. Not only does that give you internal permission to use and degrade them all you like, but it also makes them "forbidden fruit" so to speak. We barely have any taboos left in this permissive world. It's getting harder and harder to find something that feels "naughty" anymore. Fucking somebody that you'd never want to be associated with definitely feels "wrong" and that makes it sexy.
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I do have the beginnings of a story based on AOC, but I haven't got very far with it.
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Agreed.
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Why?
Let's put sex and eroticism aside for a moment.
In America (I don't know what it's like in other countries) one is free to write satires and parodies and other fictional stories about real people. Andy Borowitz of The New Yorker does this all the time. It's totally legal to do so. Few, I think, consider it wrong or immoral to do so.
So why is it wrong if the angle of the story is sex?
Everyone knows it's not real. It's not libel, because it's libel only if someone might actually think it's real, and no reasonable person thinks the content of a Literotica story is real.
Porn videos are made with actresses portraying Sarah Palin ("Who's Nailin' Palin), Bill Clinton, and Elizabeth Warren. Again, everybody knows it's not real.
It's perfectly legitimate to criticize such stories as being in bad taste. But I don't think there's a good argument for "not allowing" such stories if they are perfectly legal.
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I'm anyway uncomfortable with living people being incorporated into people's sexual fantasies. Whether or not the celebrities read the stories, they are (or may become) aware of them.
It's different from television satire, where characters are exaggerated for effect. It's different even from porn, where the role play is - I guess - not too extreme. In both of these cases, there's an actor who clearly isn't the celebrity in question.
In written fiction, there is no actor. You are putting a real person into a character. The author and the readers become like puppet masters controlling that real person. Is it understood to be fiction? Yes - and no.
In erotic fiction, especially fiction driven by malice, it's a double drug of [sexual] arousal and physical power, one step removed from actual sexual assault.
So, no. I don't accept that it's harmless fiction. I don't care if it's Trump or AOC, though I despise one and love the other.
ETA: My phone really doesn't like me typing 'sexual'.
It's different from television satire, where characters are exaggerated for effect. It's different even from porn, where the role play is - I guess - not too extreme. In both of these cases, there's an actor who clearly isn't the celebrity in question.
In written fiction, there is no actor. You are putting a real person into a character. The author and the readers become like puppet masters controlling that real person. Is it understood to be fiction? Yes - and no.
In erotic fiction, especially fiction driven by malice, it's a double drug of [sexual] arousal and physical power, one step removed from actual sexual assault.
So, no. I don't accept that it's harmless fiction. I don't care if it's Trump or AOC, though I despise one and love the other.
ETA: My phone really doesn't like me typing 'sexual'.
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This is a running argument with people like her about this issue. I got more than my share of grief about it not that long ago, despite my version of the celebrity inflicting it upon herself rather than having others do it to her.
AlinaX
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Grief? Nah. I think you were arguing with us because Laurel wouldn't listen to you.
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Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore. I almost forgot.
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The only US political erotica I'm interested in would be an alternative universe 2020 presidential race where Tulsi Gabbard, to make a point for some made up reason willingly stripped naked during television debates and effectively pledged to stay naked, and of course, she's ending up winning and becoming first permanently nude female POTUS. Yes, there's no direct sex at all in that story, but while effectively a parody, it must be told with completely straight face.
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I've only seen one picture of a political figure that made me Hope to sniff around her:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/03/02/TELEMMGLPICT000155913442_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth=450
And some of the other pictures changed my mind.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/03/02/TELEMMGLPICT000155913442_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQfyf2A9a6I9YchsjMeADBa08.jpeg?imwidth=450
And some of the other pictures changed my mind.
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I can understand being uncomfortable about these types of stories. I'm not going to argue with you about that because I think you have a right to feel that way, and I understand why you feel that way.
But that's not a good reason "not to allow" these stories. Your discomfort shouldn't be a basis for what's allowed and not allowed at Literotica.
The fact is, this fiction is legal. If someone wants to write a porn story about AOC or Trump (I don't even want to think about that, but hey, if somebody gets off to stories about him, power to them), they can. It's all fantasy.
Whether or not fiction is "harmless" shouldn't be the test, either. Words have impacts, and that's exactly why we SHOULD allow them, except for narrowly defined exceptions.
I also think there's a difference between a politician and a mere celebrity. There is more value to allowing the maximum possible range of expression about politicians because they have power over us. I think when you attain political office you give up the right to restrict the ability of people to express their views about you, in whatever form, unless those views cross the line into libel, or invasion of privacy, which Literotica stories do not.
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In hindsight, I think it's a good policy to not host that sort of thing on Literotica. Nobody's stopping someone from hosting it on their own website. I'm glad my story got rejected. It didn't age well, except for the Linsay Graham bit. And now one of the Koch bros would have to be rewritten as a zombie. Which would be an improvement.
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I think you've highlighted the important point. You can write whatever you want to write and put it on your own site, but no site has to host any particular type of material. If legality were the only measure for a site's content, a site like Lit could host stories about snuff, bestiality, torture, mutilation, violent abuse of children as long as it wasn't sexual, and all sorts of truly awful things. People have a legal right to write abut those things, but no site has an obligation to host them, just like no publisher has an obligation to publish them.
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This whole thread seems like a moot point since Lit won't allow stories of real political figures.
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I wrote a political story for Literotica a long time ago, but I did not use any real names.
It was about a female Secrete Service Agent that was guarding a prominent womanaizing Senator at a rather boring public meeting when she got bored, and was playing footsie with a campaign donor across from her, just to spice things up. In doing so, she felt a gun on his person with her probing foot, and just had enough time to save the Senator's life.
She disliked the Senator immensely, but as she was debriefed after taking out the assassin, they talked about the situation, and both got very turned on, and she ended up having hard-core sex with the senator just out of pure adrenaline and passion.
It was not the best erotica I ever wrote, but that was the political story line I used anyway.
It was about a female Secrete Service Agent that was guarding a prominent womanaizing Senator at a rather boring public meeting when she got bored, and was playing footsie with a campaign donor across from her, just to spice things up. In doing so, she felt a gun on his person with her probing foot, and just had enough time to save the Senator's life.
She disliked the Senator immensely, but as she was debriefed after taking out the assassin, they talked about the situation, and both got very turned on, and she ended up having hard-core sex with the senator just out of pure adrenaline and passion.
It was not the best erotica I ever wrote, but that was the political story line I used anyway.
