Anyone remember December 16th, 1998

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Anyone remember December 16th, 1998?

President Clinton launched an attack on Iraq. Here's part of the text from the speech he gave just after the attack began:

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.


It wasn't a huge attack. There weren't any ground troops involved, and it only lasted for a week, or was it less?

I don't remember Bill asking anyone if he could attack Iraq. I don't remember a huge outcry over the attack, either.

I do remember that it occured just days before the house voted to impeach him. Interesting, no?

So was Clinton wagging the dog? Aren't the reasons Bush gives even more valid now than the reasons Clinton gave almost three years ago?

Was the pinprick airstrike that Clinton launched meant to divert attention from his scandals or was it really meant to do what he said it was meant to do? Did he really think he could take out Hussein's WMD's with a few airstrikes? Or was it just a lame attempt to divert attention?

If Hussein was a threat then, isn't he an even bigger threat now? There have been no inspectors to look over his shoulder for three years.

And if Clinton wasn't wagging the dog almost four years ago, then shouldn't we go in and do right and complete what he was correct to attempt?



transcript of clinton speech
 
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hmmm ...

Bill Clinton’s feeble cruise missile response to 1993 Iraqi assassination attempt on ex-president George H. W. Bush

Bill Clinton’s army fleeing from Somalia after failed capture of Mohammed Farah Aidid that resulted in 18 dead Americans and thousands of dead Somalis

Bill Clinton’s feeble cruise missile response to 1996 bombing of US Army barracks in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 Americans

Bill Clinton’s feeble cruise missile response to the bombing of US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya that killed 223 people, including 31 Americans, and injuring thousands

Bill Clinton’s massive cruise missile attack on Iraq in response to US Congress impeachment proceedings in December 1998

Bill Clinton’s non-response to the bombing of USS Cole
 
Is it just me or do I keep seeing the argument we hated and loathed Clinton so it should be okay for Bush to do the exact same things?
 
Siren said:
The diffference is that Bush wants to use ground troops and that will cost American Lives.


So America is willing to do the right thing, as long as none of our guys get killed? Is that it?
 
Heard about this on Rush today.

Very interesting how those who supported attacks then, had good causes to fear Saddam, but now claim our President is seeking war without reason.
 
brisbon said:
hmmm ...

Bill Clinton’s army fleeing from Somalia after failed capture of Mohammed Farah Aidid that resulted in 18 dead Americans and thousands of dead Somalis


Ignoring everything else cause I doin't car to get into it.

Somalia was a fuck up from President to Private. Everything in that whole operation from the time we stopped trying to feed the people and tried to get involved in the very complicated local politics of the region that we did not understand was one giant FUBAR.

I agree with siren that there is a fundamental difference between using air strikes to make Iraq think twice and invading Iraq to force a regime change where US troops would have to occupy the country for an extended period of time.


Hmhh I think I am stuck in extremely long complicated sentance mode.
 
Re: Heard about this on Rush today.

Kymberley said:
Very interesting how those who supported attacks then, had good causes to fear Saddam, but now claim our President is seeking war without reason.


That was sort of my main point.

Hey Kymberley. Long time, no type. :)
 
+1, Interesting.

If I had a VCR and a TV, I'd rent Wag the Dog again. That was better than people said it was.
 
Siren said:


Somalia was a major fuck up.

and yes I think air strikes are different than using soldiers.

One is minimum America loss of life
one is major loss of life potential.

Its called limited use of force for limited goals. Good way to keep someones head down but not very effective agianst small highly mobile forces.
 
he was banging a fat intern and shoving cigars in 'er.... after that you can do anything
 
Re: Anyone remember December 16th, 1998?

Problem Child said:
President Clinton launched an attack on Iraq. Here's part of the text from the speech he gave just after the attack began:

Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.


It wasn't a huge attack. There weren't any ground troops involved, and it only lasted for a week, or was it less?

I don't remember Bill asking anyone if he could attack Iraq. I don't remember a huge outcry over the attack, either.

I do remember that it occured just days before the house voted to impeach him. Interesting, no?

So was Clinton wagging the dog? Aren't the reasons Bush gives even more valid now than the reasons Clinton gave almost three years ago?

Was the pinprick airstrike that Clinton launched meant to divert attention from his scandals or was it really meant to do what he said it was meant to do? Did he really think he could take out Hussein's WMD's with a few airstrikes? Or was it just a lame attempt to divert attention?

If Hussein was a threat then, isn't he an even bigger threat now? There have been no inspectors to look over his shoulder for three years.

And if Clinton wasn't wagging the dog almost four years ago, then shouldn't we go in and do right and complete what he was correct to attempt?



transcript of clinton speech

I must have missed the part where Clinton said anything about war. Bush is talking publicly about "war". The Constitution is pretty clear about war.

Here is another part of the speech:

"The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War."

It's pretty clear that Clinton had no intention of starting a war in Iraq without Congressional approval. In fact, he says he was trying to prevent just that.

Whether you are for or against a war, are right or left, Repub or Dem, or Green or Libertarian, I can't believe anyone supports the President NOT getting the Constitutionally required approval before he takes such serious action. Whether it's Clinton or Bush, following the Constitution seems like a pretty good idea to me. Then again, I'm old fashioned that way. :)
 
Its one thing to use limited amounts of force to achieve a minor goal without getting an official decleration of war but is something entirely different when the president is seeking to unilatierly invade a country, occupy it and then overthrow the current gov't to establish a new Pro US one.

I would define someting like that more along the lines of old fashioned war and for that we need a decleration.
 
Re: Re: Anyone remember December 16th, 1998?

Laurel said:

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Whether you are for or against a war, are right or left, Repub or Dem, or Green or Libertarian, I can't believe anyone supports the President NOT getting the Constitutionally required approval before he takes such serious action. Whether it's Clinton or Bush, following the Constitution seems like a pretty good idea to me. Then again, I'm old fashioned that way. :)

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