Anyone else notice that MM contact is down-voted?

[TwylamarieWilson]

A few of my stories have some cuckoldry and male touching elements. They aren't really gay action, but when there's more than one male in the bed chances are there's going to be some, er, crossing of swords.

These stories tend to get much lower scores than my other stuff.

Anyone else notice that there's a bias against this kind of content? I really didn't think it would be downvoted so much in this day and age, but perhaps I am overestimating how open minded men can be today?

 

[NotWise]

A few of my stories have some cuckoldry and male touching elements. They aren't really gay action, but when there's more than one male in the bed chances are there's going to be some, er, crossing of swords.

These stories tend to get much lower scores than my other stuff.

Anyone else notice that there's a bias against this kind of content? I really didn't think it would be downvoted so much in this day and age, but perhaps I am overestimating how open minded men can be today?

Why are you surprised?

Gay content is polarizing. That's why Lit has a different category for it.

 

[rae121452]

most of the lit readers are so homophobic they are afraid to touch their OWN penis in case they turn into a fag. you can post a warning at the beginning of your story"contains gay themes" or you can try different categories. just be aware that the atmosphere here is anything but gay friendly if you venture out of the ghetto.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Why are you surprised?

Gay content is polarizing. That's why Lit has a different category for it.

Yep, the slightest hint of GM outside its category will send the homophobes running. If you spring it on them, they'll down-vote you, for sure. Sad, but true.

 

[Blind_Justice]

Unless you post in Sci-Fi/Fantasy. Readers there seem to be a bit more relaxed. Or at least they were.

 

[psiberzerker]

Don't take downvotes personally. You noticed a trend, and that's halfway decent feedback. Honestly, if it's marked Cuckhold, and MMF, they should probably keep scrolling by to something that strokes their ego better, but it could be something unrelated.

Downvotes are like headaches. A non-specific symptom, it could be a migraine, a tumor, or just a headache. Specific feedback is like "YU have dick touching U fag?"

A lot of guys like to read Cuckhold from the Cuckholder perspective, and may be turned off, because you told it from the Cuckholded perspective. Or because she didn't spray the ceiling with an orgasmic rush, or whatever reason. It's not necessarily the homosexual contact that challenged their concepts of masculinity, but again, don't take it personally.

You can't please everyone all the time, you can only piss them all off. It only takes 1 asshole, and there's always at least 1 asshole.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah the real men don't want none of that 'fag crap' on here, just rape and submissive women.

 

[psiberzerker]

Yeah the real men don't want none of that 'fag crap' on here, just rape and submissive women.

Well, "It's not rape." Actually.

Yeah it is, I'm amazed how much shit gets past the censors. The only story I had rejected was husband wife diaper play. Because apparently age-play=pedophilia. Despite the fact they're both married, adults, and the wife was a Bruderhoff puritan. They didn't even have any kids.

But rape is okay, because secretly she wants it, or got off on it. Mmmmkay?

 

[ausfet]

Why are you surprised?

Gay content is polarizing. That's why Lit has a different category for it.

Funny how the gay men of Literotica can scroll past the bi male content in the 'gay male' category and yet straight men can't cope with swords crossing in a devil's three way in 'group sex'.

 

[JasonClearwater]

Funny how the gay men of Literotica can scroll past the bi male content in the 'gay male' category and yet straight men can't cope with swords crossing in a devil's three way in 'group sex'.

I think some of it's about warning the reader what they're getting into. I got some angry feedback after posting a bi story that included mm, ff and mmff action in it, saying if there were women in it, it should be in Group Sex.

Whatevs. You can't keep everyone happy, can you?

 

[psiberzerker]

Gay content is polarizing. That's why Lit has a different category for it.

It's not "Gay" content. He said it himself, it's a gangbang. 2 men fucking a woman, and it's inevitable that the swords get crossed sometimes. It's realistic, honestly, to anyone who's been in a gangbang, because they're not so homophobic, they seem to think that's gay, or makes them gay.

It isn't, it doesn't. If you're so easily triggered, don't read it. Don't feel the need to downvote stories because of your sexual hangups. We all have our sexual hangups, and some of us want to read stories where realistic characters can have a normal heterosexual gangbang, just like normal heterosexual gangbangs happen in the real world.

It's not your box. If you peek out, don't be surprised if the rest of the world doesn't live up to your standards, and don't call something "Gay" because you don't understand it. If you're not gay, and he's not gy, then fucking a woman together doesn't make it gay, at all. Even when the swords inevitably get crossed.

Real men can keep it up, even when the swords get crossed, because they're not so insecure.

 

[suboots]

I find it happens with M/m to an extent in BDSM but also with F/m. Whereas M/f seems to be universally accepted as the norm. I have come to the conclusion that the cohort of down voters is comprised of macho guys who feel diminished by the very thought of a female in control, whereas I just find it hot!

 

[psiberzerker]

I have come to the conclusion that the cohort of down voters is comprised of macho guys who feel diminished by the very thought of a female in control, whereas I just find it hot!

Well, i just have to point out that members get to vote once (Per account.) so, each individual vote can have it's own (Possibly multiple) motivations behind it. If it's not the same guy with multiple accounts to stack the vote.

I have gotten feedback from women who also don't like my femdom stories, because "Women don't think that way.' Direct quote. i also tried to write a satisfying story for months about a mother drowning her toddler daughter in dog piss. An outspoken lesbian, and webmistress of a lesbian erotica site (Which doesn't allow Snuff stories.) and doesn't have children of her own. I failed, because it wasn't something my mind could process.

We can guess. My guess is there's no single explanation for multiple votes, but there sure seems to be a lot of guys who don't like anything that isn't their particular fantasy.

 

[NotWise]

It's not "Gay" content. He said it himself, it's a gangbang. 2 men fucking a woman, and it's inevitable that the swords get crossed sometimes. It's realistic, honestly, to anyone who's been in a gangbang, because they're not so homophobic, they seem to think that's gay, or makes them gay.

First, you seem to mistake my observation for my opinion.

If the story was down-voted because of the male/male contact, as the author believed, then probably readers perceived it as gay content.

I've never been in a gangbang, but I imagine lots of things can happen. That doesn't mean they all have to be described in an erotic account. I don't describe queefing during or after sex even though it's a pretty normal part of sex. I don't think it enhances the erotic description. Similarly, if the male/male contact isn't intended to enhance the erotic description, then just leaving it out is an easy solution to the down votes.

A couple months ago another author pointed out that a lot of readers may be jacking off before they even open your story. That appears especially likely at some times and in some categories. It was a revelation to me, because it explains some of the down votes. If you have content that is inconsistent with your reader's expectation and/or kills their vibe, then you can expect a few down vote.

 

[psiberzerker]

First, you seem to mistake my observation for my opinion.

If you're not gay, then your observation of a straight gangbang, or opinion is irrelevant, because it's mistaken. She said it herself, she wasn't writing a gay story. Since she's the author, her opinion on whether it's "Gay" contact outweighs your lack of observation.

It's only "gay" to straight guys who don't know what gay is.

Again, little details don't detract from the story for all readers (And some fetishize the pussy farts when they pull out.) That's why we have so many authors, because we have different readers, with different tastes.

We're hypothesizing why certain stories get downvotes, because that doesn't tell us Why we get the downvote. Unless someone openly calls it "Gay." Honestly, only you can tell us why straight guys who've never been in an MMF threesome call that gay.

 

[suboots]

I dislike Sci-fi or Zombie stuff. It's not that there is anything wrong with it, it's just not my cup of tea. I just don't bother to read it, not waste my time giving it all 1 * ratings.

 

[NotWise]

If you're not gay, then your observation of a straight gangbang, or opinion is irrelevant, because it's mistaken. He said it himself, he wasn't writing a gay story. Since he's the author, his opinion on whether it's "Gay" contact outweighs your lack of observation.

The author actually identifies as femaie. And it doesn't really make much difference whether or not she intended to write a gay story. If the readers perceive it as gay content, then the author has to expect that they will respond that way.

I've not read the story, nor do I plan to. I'm not expressing a personal opinion about the story. I am pointing out that if the story was down voted because of the male/male contact then it should be easy enough to write stories without including that detail.

 

[psiberzerker]

The author actually identifies as femaie. I am pointing out that if the story was down voted because of the male/male contact then it should be easy enough to write stories without including that detail.

And that's her choice (Sorry. Sincere apologies) however, we can still talk about our feedback, without someone coming on here and saying "Gay."

Okay? It's not gay contact, unless they're gay. MM contact, even crossing swords isn't gay, and if you don't like it, it's great that you're here talking about it, instead of reading it, and just pushing the Nay button.

I don't want to chase you off, or argue, or browbeat each other. It should have been a simple correct of wording, one author to another. Just for future reference, any contact, sexual or not, between men is only gay if at least one of them is gay. Especially if it's accidental, in an otherwise heterosexual act.

Also, an apology for being so antagonistic about it.

 

[sr71plt]

first, I posit that any sexual activity between two males (including MMF) is gay male activity for any males engaged and to say it isn't is to reveal fears about ones own sexuality if one is doing it and in denying reality. As I think that everyone is basically bi (arousal is arousal; sex is sex) and just may not have been pursuing all options, I don't have that particular fear about what I might be that I want to deny.

As far as posting to Literotica, I agree that its a gay tolerant but not particularly gay friendly site (and it seems to have a phobia about including a bi category and giving a home to bi stories). There are a lot of GM readers at Literotica. If you keep gay male acts strictly within the limited gay male category, you can be happy posting here (straights get a whole collection of subsection categories, gay males get one and a half, lesbians get one--although lesbian activity is tolerated across the set and GM activity isn't, and no bi category).

If you want to include gay activity in a broader treatment story and you have clearly tagged the story, I'd say let the reader be responsible for what they choose to read and flip them the bird if the story is properly tagged and they just don't like that. It's a pity the tagging isn't up front, though.

 

[psiberzerker]

I think that everyone is basically bi (arousal is arousal; sex is sex) and just may not have been pursuing all options.

We'll call that a differing opinion, for the purposes of Discussion. (all this is, doesn't have to be a debate.)

I posit, as an asexual prostitute with male, and female clients, that having sex with men for money doesn't change me being asexual. I do it for the money (And it helps with my understanding of gay men.) That is gay sex, because he's gay. That's what he payed for.

I'm also transgender, so i have sex for clients that want to be fucked by a "Tranny," or fuck a "Shemale." (IDFK why the tops call us Shemale, and the bottoms call us Tranny.) I just put on the underwear/shoes they bring me.

I also have sex with women, and even though I identify myself as a woman, and she's bisexual, i don't consider it to be "Lesbian" sex.

My point is, the people in the sex acts, or writing the sex scenes determine whether it's gay, straight, bisexual, or whatever. The people reading about it, especially the straight guys who've never done anything like it can have an opinion, but it doesn't change a single thing about it.

Personal definitions notwithstanding. Whatever you think when you read it doesn't really affect the author, either, and you have to get off sometime...

 

[sr71plt]

Well, the topic of the thread is posting stories to Literotica, which, I think, as the largest-volume poster of gay stories to Literotica (by far) and receiver of reader response at the site, I've given an experienced response to.

As for the rest, I'm not really struggling with concerns over my sexuality--and am married, to another bi, with children, and have done my turn as a sanctioned prostitute for both women and men--so I'll leave it at what I posted to that. It doesn't bother me to consider gay activity as being gay in the moment I'm engaging in sex with another man, whether MM or MMF. I'm still fully male and I don't trip off into self-denial about what is happening.

 

[psiberzerker]

I'm not really struggling with concerns over my sexuality--and am married, to another bi, with children, and have done my turn as a sanctioned prostitute for both women and men--so I'll leave it at what I posted to that.

You're one lucky guy. I'm a little unclear on what you mean by Sanctioned prostitute. (I'm also a Sex Therapist, but not registered any more. I was certified in Santa Fe, but now am underground/illegal.)

Again, just part of the discussion/full disclosure: I'm physically male. No hormones, surgery, the most I've spent on it is $50.00 for tattooes in lieu of breasts. I can afford them now, but as I've always said "I looked through the catalog, and they still don't have what I want."

That's why I consider myself asexual, because i can't have the sex I want. Ideally, I'm holding out for a Mind/Machine interface, so we can just plug-in, and I can experience sex as the woman I' having sex with, but we don't have that yet.

I'm working on the Neuronano, right now. I just need to save up, build the tools to make the tools to make the tools to test it. (Top down.) I may never live to see it, though.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm a little unclear on what you mean by Sanctioned prostitute.

That would be explained in my various "Spy candy unit" stories and books. Regardless of written regulations, intel operations worldwide don't shy away from combining the world's two oldest professions (prostitute and spy) to do what they think they need to do.

 

[psiberzerker]

Regardless of written regulations, intel operations worldwide don't shy away from combining the world's two oldest professions (prostitute and spy) to do what they think they need to do.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Hypoxia]

I have written MM in Incest, and MM and incest in Group, with no downside. Those were not the major themes of the stories. As mentioned, don't sweat the downvotes. You're writing for yourself, for free. Enjoy that you've provoked responses from readers.