Anybody know what's up with the votes and PCs?

[jomar]

I was checking out stats on a new story on my members page when I noticed some crazy stuff. Looks like a sweep was done and I lost a bunch of votes/points, but what I don't understand is that a couple of poems have 6 comments with votes, and only 5 votes show up in the votes column. Another story that had over 10 votes got bumped back to 2 votes and it has 2 comments - it has a score of 5.0 but the comment votes should average to a 4.0.

What's up?

 

[neonlyte]

Trolls have discovered scissors?

Blips happen from time to time, they sometimes correct themselves, sometimes not.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not sure I understand. You can comment and even rate on the thermometer and not actually vote by doing the 1-5 rating at the bottom of the story, can't you? Aren't these two separate functions? The only way to get rid of a comment on one of your stories is to delete it yourself. Right?

 

[jomar]

I'm not sure I understand. You can comment and even rate on the thermometer and not actually vote by doing the 1-5 rating at the bottom of the story, can't you? Aren't these two separate functions? The only way to get rid of a comment on one of your stories is to delete it yourself. Right?

I thought the only way to leave a comment was to also vote using the thermometer. You can vote without leaving a comment of course by using the 1-5 rating at the bottom of the story. If you vote using the 1-5, then vote using the thermometer, the latter vote might not count but you'd still have voted.

Right - you have to delete a comment yourself, but I didn't.

So unless I'm mistaken since I have six comments who also voted, I should have 6 votes in the 'vote' column instead of 5. Which doesn't explain the other blips that neon notes.

 

[neonlyte]

On the voting, only one vote counts. If you first vote at the end of the story, the PC vote won't count, it is just an indicator read in conjunction with the comment. If you vote first on the PC page, the story vote won't count.

Votes generally show up immediately whereas hits can take several hours to post.

A reader can leave more than one comment on a single story but cannot vote more than once. I've seen occassions when several thousand hits register against a story in a single day, and I know my stories are not that popular

 

[sr71plt]

I don't think the "PC vote" counts in the voting statistics at all (although I've heard suggestions otherwise). It doesn't translate to a 1-5 scale (it provides a 4-level scale). I think it just gives you a visual representation (which you have to choose and doesn't automatically come from or do anything) of how well you liked the story.

 

[sr71plt]

So unless I'm mistaken since I have six comments who also voted, I should have 6 votes in the 'vote' column instead of 5. Which doesn't explain the other blips that neon notes.

I don't think that's the case. I don't think the PC and therometer function is connected to the votes statistics at all. Again, how can it connect/translate? It's a 4-level system; the voting is a five-level system.

 

[starrkers]

The "vote" using the thermometer doesn't count as a vote.
You can comment without voting, just as you can vote without commenting.

 

[jomar]

On the voting, only one vote counts. If you first vote at the end of the story, the PC vote won't count, it is just an indicator read in conjunction with the comment. If you vote first on the PC page, the story vote won't count.

Votes generally show up immediately whereas hits can take several hours to post.

A reader can leave more than one comment on a single story but cannot vote more than once. I've seen occassions when several thousand hits register against a story in a single day, and I know my stories are not that popular

Yes. We said the same thing but you said it more clearly.

I don't think the "PC vote" counts in the voting statistics at all (although I've heard suggestions otherwise). It doesn't translate to a 1-5 scale (it provides a 4-level scale). I think it just gives you a visual representation (which you have to choose and doesn't automatically come from or do anything) of how well you liked the story.

The PC/thermometer vote actually is a 1-5 scale: 0, 25, 50, 75, 100. It's been discussed in another thread and I think I recall it counting as neon states.

 

[cloudy]

The "vote" using the thermometer doesn't count as a vote.
You can comment without voting, just as you can vote without commenting.

exactly. I don't know why people think the thermometer is a vote.

 

[slyc_willie]

I don't think the "PC vote" counts in the voting statistics at all (although I've heard suggestions otherwise). It doesn't translate to a 1-5 scale (it provides a 4-level scale). I think it just gives you a visual representation (which you have to choose and doesn't automatically come from or do anything) of how well you liked the story.

Not true. When you choose to leave a PC, the first thing it does, after titling your comment, is to ask you to rate the story: 0, 25, 50, 75, or 100. Five options, five-point scale.

PC votes, I think, supercede regular votes if made from the same ISP. Multiple PCs, from the same ISP, with differing votes . . . I'm not sure about those. I've received a few double-PCs now and then, not always with the same vote.

ETA: I see this already been answered . . .

 

[jomar]

The "vote" using the thermometer doesn't count as a vote.
You can comment without voting, just as you can vote without commenting.

Well, that's what happens when one is writing a post.

Maybe I'll search for that old thread. I can't imagine why one would comment without voting and why the thermometer wouldn't be counted as a vote.

 

[jomar]

exactly. I don't know why people think the thermometer is a vote.

Because that's what it looks like. True, it doesn't say vote, but does say rate and is on the same 5-point scale.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, that's what happens when one is writing a post.

Maybe I'll search for that old thread. I can't imagine why one would comment without voting and why the thermometer wouldn't be counted as a vote.

How can you tell that a PC comment adds a vote to your rating--unless, when you register your one vote you are permitted for your own story, you comment your own story and run right back to your submission's page to check whether a vote has been added? (Which I just tried, and, guess what--no added vote).

And how do you think a 0/25/50/100 system registers a vote on a 1/2/3/4/5 scale? I'm all ears on that one.

I still think the PC system doesn't activate a vote statistic for the story. I think they are mutally exclusive--and will do so until Manu or Laurel explains how a 0/25/50/100 system registers a vote on a 1/2/3/4/5 scale.

 

[slyc_willie]

How can you tell that a PC comment adds a vote to your rating--unless, when you register your one vote you are permitted for your own story, you comment your own story and run right back to your submission's page to check whether a vote has been added? (Which I just tried, and, guess what--no added vote).

And how do you think a 0/25/50/100 system registers a vote on a 1/2/3/4/5 scale? I'm all ears on that one.

I still think the PC system doesn't activate a vote statistic for the story. I think they are mutally exclusive--and will do so until Manu or Laurel explains how a 0/25/50/100 system registers a vote on a 1/2/3/4/5 scale.

You forgot 75

 

[sr71plt]

OK, my bad on the scales not matching (math wasn't my strong suit). I still don't think the two system are connected at all--and when I just tried it out, no vote was added.

 

[neonlyte]

Quote from FAQ's "You must give a rating to the story to leave a comment. If you have voted on the submission previously, then the vote you leave with the comment will not count toward the submission's total."

By implication, voting/rating on the PC counts as a vote if the reader had not previously voted on the story.

 

[sr71plt]

Quote from FAQ's "You must give a rating to the story to leave a comment. If you have voted on the submission previously, then the vote you leave with the comment will not count toward the submission's total."

By implication, voting/rating on the PC counts as a vote if the reader had not previously voted on the story.

OK, believe that there's a crossover in vote if you want. Having just tried it, I'll believe what actually (didn't) happen(ed).

 

[jomar]

Quote from FAQ's "You must give a rating to the story to leave a comment. If you have voted on the submission previously, then the vote you leave with the comment will not count toward the submission's total."

By implication, voting/rating on the PC counts as a vote if the reader had not previously voted on the story.

Thanks. That does seem to say it will count. I tested it and it wouldn't let me comment without rating the thermometer. So, if you delete a comment does it delete the vote?

 

[neonlyte]

OK, believe that there's a crossover in vote if you want. Having just tried it, I'll believe what actually (didn't) happen(ed).

Do i understand correctly that you voted twice, once on the story and once on the PC and neither vote showed up? Which did you vote first, just out of interest?

 

[jomar]

OK, believe that there's a crossover in vote if you want. Having just tried it, I'll believe what actually (didn't) happen(ed).

I just voted with a comment sr and the vote count went up by one and the score increased. Don't know exactly what's going on.

Also, you can leave a PC and not vote. I just did it, was not entering the security code before.

 

[Just-Legal]

Hmm, how odd.

 

[sr71plt]

Do i understand correctly that you voted twice, once on the story and once on the PC and neither vote showed up? Which did you vote first, just out of interest?

No. I picked an old story of mine I'd never voted on before. (I've recently found out that you can vote for your own story once--but I had never done that, thinking it wasn't possible). So, I went to one of those stories where I should be able to register a vote myself. I first checked the vote total on my submissions page. And then I went back to the story on the story list page and left a PC (which I'll erase) and hit the thermometer. I have checked back on my submission's page several times, and the vote statistic has not gone up. (A vote will be recorded as soon as it's cast.)

I see of no other way that an author can determine that leaving a PC will increase the vote count. Do you? (And for me it didn't. I never did think there was a connection between those two systems--and still don't.)

So I have no trouble at all with the "anomaly" jomar presented on the thread. I don't think the systems relate, so I think votes can be stripped without having any effect on PCs at all--and that there can be more PCs than votes for a story.

I'm comfortable that the two don't correct. I'm sure if someone really wants to know for sure, they can ask Manu (and then let the rest of us know).

 

[sr71plt]

I just voted with a comment sr and the vote count went up by one and the score increased. Don't know exactly what's going on.

Also, you can leave a PC and not vote. I just did it, was not entering the security code before.

You're confusing me again. You cannot leave a PC without the thermometer registering a "vote" on the 0-100 scale. It will register a 50 if you don't vote that yourself. And so, by your belief that voting the thermometer leaves a statistical vote, what you are describing here doesn't seem possible.

 

[neonlyte]

No. I picked an old story of mine I'd never voted on before. (I've recently found out that you can vote for your own story once--but I had never done that, thinking it wasn't possible). So, I went to one of those stories where I should be able to register a vote myself. I first checked the vote total on my submissions page. And then I went back to the story on the story list page and left a PC (which I'll erase) and hit the thermometer. I have checked back on my submission's page several times, and the vote statistic has not gone up. (A vote will be recorded as soon as it's cast.)

I see of no other way that an author can determine that leaving a PC will increase the vote count. Do you? (And for me it didn't. I never did think there was a connection between those two systems--and still don't.)

So I have no trouble at all with the "anomaly" jomar presented on the thread. I don't think the systems relate, so I think votes can be stripped without having any effect on PCs at all--and that there can be more PCs than votes for a story.

I'm comfortable that the two don't correct. I'm sure if someone really wants to know for sure, they can ask Manu (and then let the rest of us know).

I did much the same, on two stories, voting story first then PC, then the other way around. The PC votes did not register. Didn't expect it to in the first case but the FAQ implies the PC vote does count if registered before the story vote. The FAQ appears to give duff info. You live and learn