Any suggestions from the anti-war crowd?

[zipman]

Everyone now believes that there are WMD (at least chmeical and bilological which were not accounted for in the UN documents) and that Iraq needs regime change.

How do you propose to remove the WMD and change the regime?

To date, I haven't seen ONE SINGLE ALTERNATIVE suggested.

Weapons Inspectors? They accomplished little to nothing and without any muscle or threat of war will be hampered and a part of the biggest dog and pony show while Iraq stalls and prevents them from doing their job. This has been what has occurred for over a decade already.

Sanctions? - The UN (not US) sanctions were to blame while Saddam Hussein starved a million of his people. Even while Europe continued to break the trade sanctions whenever possible. What did Saddam spend money on instead of feeding his people.

Well, he sent $25,000 dollars to the families of every suicide bomber that has died attacking Israeli citizens. He also is building 2 of the biggest Mosque's in the world in Iraq as we speak. All while millions of his people starve to death.


Of course war is bad, and the truth is that not many people want a war here in the states. However, standing by and doing nothing is by far the worse of the alternatives, for the world, and for the Iraqi people. I would have thought that Kosovo and the ehtnic cleansing in the Balkans would have taught Europe a lesson in the consequences of inaction, but obviously not.

So again, I ask the anti-US, anti-war, anti-everything brigade here at Lit:

What is your suggestion on how to deal with these issues?

 

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[clit_licker30]

astute observations...and a good question...from someone who has seen firsthand the sanctions not work...as well as the original inspections...and from someone who's about to leave his son for a year due to the war, I would welcome any alternative

Having said that, I'm not holding out for anything other than liberal rhetoric...

Be careful and return home soon. Godspeed with you.

Kick some ass if you get the chance.

 

[busybody..]

The question of

WHAT WOULD YOU DO

Is a question I have posted often on this board.....

All for naught.......No response has ever been made......

The best anyone has ever offered is

Give inspections time....more time....and even more time.....

Well....isnt 12 years long enough?

After the cease fire in 91, Iraq was required to divulge and destroy all WMDs in 15 DAYS!!!!!!.......it is now 12 years.....

BTW.....We owe a debt of gratitude to Israel for taking out their nuke capability.......

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[zipman]

astute observations...and a good question...from someone who has seen firsthand the sanctions not work...as well as the original inspections...and from someone who's about to leave his son for a year due to the war, I would welcome any alternative

Having said that, I'm not holding out for anything other than liberal rhetoric...

I would welcome any alternative that will work also. Unfortunately, giving them more time has not worked nor will it. Sanctions hurt the people more than a war will. Millions didn't die during desert storm.

This board is flooded with anti-war posts. To date, I have still not seen one single alternative presented. Kofi Anan, (who makes Bush look like Einstein) said in his official capacity that he "hopes" they will change on the same day that they still flout UN demands for a full accounting of their WMD.

I hope that you do not have to go and fight Ted, but if you do, I echo clit_licker's coments below.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

The question of

WHAT WOULD YOU DO

Is a question I have posted often on this board.....

All for naught.......No response has ever been made......

The best anyone has ever offered is

Give inspections time....more time....and even more time.....

Well....isnt 12 years long enough?

After the cease fire in 91, Iraq was required to divulge and destroy all WMDs in 15 DAYS!!!!!!.......it is now 12 years.....

BTW.....We owe a debt of gratitude to Israel for taking out their nuke capability.......

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you dumb son of a bitch, I have myself answered that question, as have many others. You simply did not like the answer.

Now as to the real question posted by zip:

I am not part of this brigade you speak of, however, I am against a US led invasion. Lets look at this alternative:
Put incredible pressure (IE embargos and tarriffs) on the rest of OPEC. Cut off their cash cow, and open the Alaskan reserves to offset the difference.
Prop up Venuzela, making them our primary importer of oil. They'd gladly cuy us a deal on oil for some help in restructuring their broken economy.
Tell the UN we are out, fini', kaputz...and the millions we owe them, well try and collect. Threatning to become truly isolationist, in the name of security.
Start giving Isreal high tech weapons, our best. No charge, here ya go making them the strongest nation that side of the Atlantic.
Pull every troop from the region telling the OPEC nations, you're on your own, good luck, xoxoxo's. YOU deal with the issue, then maybe we come back. Have fun on welfare...


thats just a start, but is it not better than maiming and killing in the name of a God that may or may not exsist?

 

[calypso_21]

Make love?


You know, I just couldn't resist...you left it wide open with that question in the thread title!

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Any suggestions from the anti-war crowd?

Make love?


You know, I just couldn't resist...you left it wide open with that question in the thread title!

LOL, okay, at least we got that one out of the way. Btw, as long as I get to see an AV of yours, I don't care how much you hijack my threads


I have to say that after seeing all the anti-war posts on the boards, it is disappointing to not see any constructive suggestions or alternatives about how to handle this issue.

It is always easy to criticize someone else for their ideas, but much harder to come up with feasible alternatives.

 

[Hamletmaschine]

When in doubt, do nothing.

 

[busybody..]

Making LOVE

Does not preclude making WAR!

 

[brokenbrainwave]

ummm zip, unpeal your eyes from caly's av. yes, hard to do, agreed, but there are at least two alternatives not based in liberal rhetoric. Either one are viable alternatives to all out war.

 

[RawHumor]

On Sunday, I stood in the checkout line for the grocery store behind a woman who was wearing a pin that said something about blood for oil. The clerk asked her if that had to do with the current events and the woman went on to tell her to to write to her senators and do this and that and how we should all do something.

I knew that I couldn't be polite if I opened my mouth so I politely just sat there thinking "Can I just pay for my freaking 12-pack of Labatt's and go watch the Super Bowl please?"

Does anyone STILL think this is about oil?

 

[busybody..]

BBV

you dumb son of a bitch, I have myself answered that question, as have many others. You simply did not like the answer.

Now as to the real question posted by zip:

I am not part of this brigade you speak of, however, I am against a US led invasion. Lets look at this alternative:
Put incredible pressure (IE embargos and tarriffs) on the rest of OPEC. Cut off their cash cow, and open the Alaskan reserves to offset the difference.
Prop up Venuzela, making them our primary importer of oil. They'd gladly cuy us a deal on oil for some help in restructuring their broken economy.
Tell the UN we are out, fini', kaputz...and the millions we owe them, well try and collect. Threatning to become truly isolationist, in the name of security.
Start giving Isreal high tech weapons, our best. No charge, here ya go making them the strongest nation that side of the Atlantic.
Pull every troop from the region telling the OPEC nations, you're on your own, good luck, xoxoxo's. YOU deal with the issue, then maybe we come back. Have fun on welfare...


thats just a start, but is it not better than maiming and killing in the name of a God that may or may not exsist?

The above has NOTHING to do with WMDs in Iraq......What would you do about WMDs in Iraq?

The Demon-craps refuse to drill in ANWAR.

Venezula already is our biggest oil provider.

Israel already has all the advanced weapons.

We cant put pressure on OPEC, because we only buy a small percentage of OUR oil from them.

 

[calypso_21]

Re: Re: Re: Any suggestions from the anti-war crowd?

LOL, okay, at least we got that one out of the way. Btw, as long as I get to see an AV of yours, I don't care how much you hijack my threads


I have to say that after seeing all the anti-war posts on the boards, it is disappointing to not see any constructive suggestions or alternatives about how to handle this issue.

It is always easy to criticize someone else for their ideas, but much harder to come up with feasible alternatives.

Hah!

I agree with your question and a part of me was not being facetious when I posted my response. I pay attention to all the reports on the news and in the paper but if there were realistic feasible suggestions as to what can be done as far as anti-war alternatives go I have not heard any good ones yet. The ones you mentioned are as you stated doing just so much.

Personally I'm not big on the whole subject so yes...make love will stick as my suggestion! It was no hijack!

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Does anyone STILL think this is about oil?

yes, to a small degree. Not a huge one though.

One has to admit it was rather curious of ole Georie to head straight for Iraq....

 

[busybody..]

ummm zip, unpeal your eyes from caly's av. yes, hard to do, agreed, but there are at least two alternatives not based in liberal rhetoric. Either one are viable alternatives to all out war.

What are the TWO suggesstions?

 

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[calypso_21]

and open the Alaskan reserves to offset the difference.

If this were such a viable solution why has it not been done already?

 

[Purple Haze]

When there hasn't been a good enough reason to go to war, why is it that we have to come up with a reason to not go to war?

I think the burden belongs to you, Zippy.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Re: BBV

The above has NOTHING to do with WMDs in Iraq......What would you do about WMDs in Iraq?

The Demon-craps refuse to drill in ANWAR.

Venezula already is our biggest oil provider.

Israel already has all the advanced weapons.

We cant put pressure on OPEC, because we only buy a small percentage of OUR oil from them.

once again, you're poopin on yourself, all bug eyed and such, making funny little noises I bet to.

I was not responding to your question, I was responding to Zips.
Drill Alaska anyways.
Buy MORE from Venezula AND (please pay attention this time) prop up their economy.

Isreal does not have all of them....

You can pressure OPEC, a small percentage of our oil is a huge % of their oil.

Apples and Oranges or in your case, Rice and Beans...

 

[calypso_21]

yes, to a small degree. Not a huge one though.

One has to admit it was rather curious of ole Georie to head straight for Iraq....

Numerous people still believe this is about oil. Agreed on the curious part.

 

[busybody..]

If you all recall.......In 2001, GWB was talking about a Star Wars System to protect our country from attack from rouge nations.....

Of ourse the press, libs, mostly, were AGAINST that idea.....

Then came 9/11......

These same libs asked.....WHY DIDNT WE KNOW? WHY DIDNT WE DO SOMETHING?

Well, we are in the same position now.....

We are in a position to PREEMPT a possible attack on the US.....

WHY WAIT TILL THERE WILL BE DEAD AMERICANS?

 

[Hamletmaschine]

On Sunday, I stood in the checkout line for the grocery store behind a woman who was wearing a pin that said something about blood for oil. The clerk asked her if that had to do with the current events and the woman went on to tell her to to write to her senators and do this and that and how we should all do something.

I knew that I couldn't be polite if I opened my mouth so I politely just sat there thinking "Can I just pay for my freaking 12-pack of Labatt's and go watch the Super Bowl please?"

Does anyone STILL think this is about oil?

Does anyone STILL think that Iraq poses a serious threat to the security of the United States?

You've been drinking too much shitty beer, RH.

 

[clit_licker30]

If this were such a viable solution why has it not been done already?

Clinton,Algore and the Environmental Wackos are to blame.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

If this were such a viable solution why has it not been done already?

the die hard ecolovers are blocking it saying it would upset and destroy the ecosystem. It is a point of contention between the two controlling parties. Yet, with the burden of proof on the ones saying dont, they have to date not given any proof that it would.

However, their voices are louder.