antidepressants fail 50% of time

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Drugs Cure Depression In Half of Patients
Doctors Have Mixed Reactions To Study Findings
By Shankar Vedantam
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 23, 2006; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/22/AR2006032202450.html

Antidepressants fail to cure the symptoms of major depression in half of all patients with the disease even if they receive the best possible care, according to a definitive government study released yesterday.

Significant numbers of patients continue to experience symptoms such as sadness, low energy and hopelessness after intensive treatment, even as about an equal number report an end to such problems -- a result that quickly lent itself to interpretations that the glass was either half empty or half full.

The $35 million taxpayer-funded study was the largest trial of its kind ever conducted. It provided what industry-sponsored trials have rarely captured: Rather than merely ask whether patients are getting better, the study asked what patients most care about -- whether depression can be made to disappear altogether.

The study has been eagerly awaited by physicians, patients and the pharmaceutical industry. According to government statistics, depression afflicts 15 million Americans a year. About 189 million prescriptions for antidepressants were written last year, and the disease costs the nation $83 billion annually because of treatment costs, lost productivity, absenteeism and suicide.

David Rubinow, a professor and the chairman of the psychiatry department at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said the results are an "illuminating and disconcerting" window into the affliction that is thought to fuel many of the 30,000 suicides committed each year in the United States.

Although the study showed that patients who do not respond well to one drug could be helped by another, the results are "discouraging for several reasons," Rubinow said in an editorial published in the New England Journal of Medicine, which also published the study.

It is troubling that large numbers of patients continued to have problems, he said. Additionally, he noted that the drugs used in the study -- Celexa, Wellbutrin, Zoloft and Effexor -- work in very different ways yet had roughly equal effectiveness when it came to treating depression. This suggests that the underlying brain mechanisms of depression are far more complicated than simple notions of a single chemical imbalance.

Thomas Insel, director of the National Institute of Mental Health, which funded the study, emphasized that patients should seek -- and stick with -- treatment. "The glass is half full from our perspective," he said. But "the glass is half empty in that we need to come up with better treatments in the future."

The study is immediately relevant to physicians because it tracked a large number of patients with the kind of complications and chronic problems that are usually excluded from pharmaceutical industry trials. About one in three patients had seen their depression symptoms go away after an initial round of treatment, a result known as remission. About half achieved that goal after a new round of treatment involving either a new medication or an additional drug, the research found.

Although patients recruited to pharmaceutical industry trials are usually carefully screened to ensure they do not have other psychiatric or medical conditions, those in the government-funded study often suffered from multiple physical and mental problems -- typical of patients whom doctors routinely see.

At the same time, the researchers acknowledged, the care provided in the study was exceptional. Intensive monitoring and careful evaluation was provided to all patients. Such services are available today in perhaps one in 10 medical practices. If the patients in this study had received the kind of care that patients receive on average, the researchers said, the remission rate probably would have been significantly lower -- perhaps even in the single digits.

"People who entered into this trial received a level of care which is quite different than many patients receive when they see a primary-care doc or even a psychiatrist," Insel said as he described what clinical facilities should aim for in terms of care. "This involved a depression-care specialist who made sure there was very careful monitoring of side effects and a relentless effort to optimize the dose. It is not like writing a prescription for penicillin and coming back in four to six weeks."

The study also employed standardized assessment tests that looked more deeply at patients' conditions than the routine conversations about their health that are generally employed in clinical care. Such attention allowed problems to rise to the surface that may otherwise be missed, and kept patients from becoming discouraged about treatment.

Augustus John Rush, a psychiatrist at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas, who helped organize the study known as the Sequenced Treatment Alternatives to Relieve Depression, said the results are positive, given the many complications that often accompany depression.

"A 50 percent remission rate is extraordinarily good, given the nature of these disorders," he said. "These individuals have had an average of 16 years of depression. Two-thirds have other concomitant psychiatric conditions and two-thirds have concomitant general medical problems. All of these reduce the chances of remission."

Although the study has continued to offer treatment for even longer periods, those results are not yet available. Rush said that with chronic problems, most of the benefit is usually seen in the first couple of rounds of treatment, since the remaining patients are those with the most intractable problems.

Psychiatric drugs have been at the center of growing controversy for nearly two years -- including concerns that antidepressants may increase the risk of suicidal behavior among some children and worries that drugs used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are overused. Still, researchers and clinicians say they are far more worried about untreated mental illness than any overuse of medications.
 
I'll tell you why it only works 50% of the time.. Because most of the time these people have a perfectly good reason to be upset. It's like nobody's aloud to be sad or angry anymore, even if they have a good reason. If a person has a perfectly good reason to be sad. Let them be sad and talk them through this difficult time. Don't drug their asses up.. I know that some people have imbalances in their brains that make them sad. Those people get upset and don't know why... There is a huge difference between having an imbalance in your brain, and being sad because someone you loved and were close to died. If the circumstances of a person's life suck and cause them to be unhappy, help that person out.. Trust me I am well experienced with having to take medication for that sort of thing.. Infact, I was on like 6 medications and only actually needed one.. So yeah.. That's why it doesn't always work..
 
Hester said:
Psychiatric drugs have been at the center of growing controversy for nearly two years -- including concerns that antidepressants may increase the risk of suicidal behavior among some children and worries that drugs used to treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder are overused. Still, researchers and clinicians say they are far more worried about untreated mental illness than any overuse of medications.

Psychiatrists should be locked up. These drugs almost killed a loved one of mine who was under 13 - more than once. They overmedicate children. Bastards!
 
Also, I would like to point out that therapy probably only works 50% of the time, at most.

Plus, it's a biased title - glass half empty or half full?
 
Hikari said:
I'll tell you why it only works 50% of the time.. Because most of the time these people have a perfectly good reason to be upset. It's like nobody's aloud to be sad or angry anymore, even if they have a good reason. If a person has a perfectly good reason to be sad. Let them be sad and talk them through this difficult time. Don't drug their asses up.. I know that some people have imbalances in their brains that make them sad. Those people get upset and don't know why... There is a huge difference between having an imbalance in your brain, and being sad because someone you loved and were close to died. If the circumstances of a person's life suck and cause them to be unhappy, help that person out.. Trust me I am well experienced with having to take medication for that sort of thing.. Infact, I was on like 6 medications and only actually needed one.. So yeah.. That's why it doesn't always work..

Oh, you're a smart one! You're absolutely correct. Just because one is sad or has ups and downs, doesn't mean they need drugs/antidepressants.

Also, another reason it doesn't work is because their diagnose is WRONG! Like double DOH!
 
Christina O. Leigh said:
Give it a couple more years when you or your loved one just stares into space having no emotions anymore.

One bad experience and one incompetent psychiatrist does not mean all antidepressants are bad.
 
Nearly every adult I know takes or has a script for some kind of anti-depressant. Now come on - depression is not THAT prevelent! Doctors just over prescribe and over prescribe.

How can you tell if a drug works if half the people taking it don't even need it?

I agree with Hikari. It's ok to feel sad sometimes. It does not necessarily mean you HAVE to take a drug for it.


Or just smoke pot! Works for me!
 
I think I'll go load up on some depressants, happy hour starts in about an hour. I'm buying!
 
bisexplicit said:
Also, I would like to point out that therapy probably only works 50% of the time, at most.

Plus, it's a biased title - glass half empty or half full?

How about just half a glass.


And next time you're depressed, just remember you could be worse off. you could be on a respirator and paralyzed, staring at a blank wall.

And if you're that bad off, how the hell did you post to this list?
 
Grizzman said:
And next time you're depressed, just remember you could be worse off. you could be on a respirator and paralyzed, staring at a blank wall.

Wow, people are still really naive regarding mental health.

Why don't you tell a person who just broke their leg, "Don't fix it, just think about how you don't have cancer - that should make you better."
 
Christina O. Leigh said:
I didn't say one.

I know people who would most likely not be alive today if it wasn't for psychiatric medications. There are all sorts of personal stories.

Having it work half the time is better than none of the time.
 
bisexplicit said:
Wow, people are still really naive regarding mental health.

Why don't you tell a person who just broke their leg, "Don't fix it, just think about how you don't have cancer - that should make you better."
Thats assinine. breaking a leg is a far cry from being depressed.
why don't you go find and extra short shotgun and spare the world your pity.
If you're on the net hoping to find some releif from your depression, Lit is not the site for you.
 
Grizzman said:
Thats assinine. breaking a leg is a far cry from being depressed.
why don't you go find and extra short shotgun and spare the world your pity.
If you're on the net hoping to find some releif from your depression, Lit is not the site for you.

She's a young 20. She'll learn in about 10 years about stories and life - if she's still alive.
 
Grizzman said:
Thats assinine. breaking a leg is a far cry from being depressed.
why don't you go find and extra short shotgun and spare the world your pity.
If you're on the net hoping to find some releif from your depression, Lit is not the site for you.

Wow, talk about assinine. Try reading up on depression. It's as real as a medical condition as any other.

If you're on lit hoping that people won't call you out for being a complete and utter moron, it's not the place for you.
 
Christina O. Leigh said:
She's a young 20. She'll learn in about 10 years about stories and life - if she's still alive.

What the fuck do you know?

My god, you're stupid.
 
bisexplicit said:
Wow, talk about assinine. Try reading up on depression. It's as real as a medical condition as any other.

If you're on lit hoping that people won't call you out for being a complete and utter moron, it's not the place for you.

i think ya should be goin to the bar with plastic
 
bisexplicit said:
I know people who would most likely not be alive today if it wasn't for psychiatric medications. There are all sorts of personal stories.

Having it work half the time is better than none of the time.

I agree. There are plenty of people who are really being helped by these drugs. My problem is with doctors who just throw drugs at the problem. I feel the same way about antibiotics. Doing more harm than good.
 
bisexplicit said:
What the fuck do you know?

My god, you're stupid.

I know a lot more than you and I'm a lot older than you which means I've experience a lot more than you. I'm sounding redundant, I know. :rolleyes:

1.) I married a schizophrenic. (now divorced) I don't think I need to go into the details of meds and how many times I had to hospitalize him.

2.) My flesh and blood.

"My god, you're stupid." Elementary school??
 
Christina O. Leigh said:
I know a lot more than you and I'm a lot older than you which means I've experience a lot more than you. I'm sounding redundant, I know. :rolleyes:

1.) I married a schizophrenic. (now divorced) I don't think I need to go into the details of meds and how many times I had to hospitalize him.

2.) My flesh and blood.

"My god, you're stupid." Elementary school??

No, I meant, what the fuck do you know about me. Your assumption that I have no knowledge in regards to this is moronic. Also, it's condescending to think that your age gives you this all mighty perspective. Schizophrenic medication and medication for depression are completely different.
 
crazybbwgirl said:
I agree. There are plenty of people who are really being helped by these drugs. My problem is with doctors who just throw drugs at the problem. I feel the same way about antibiotics. Doing more harm than good.

I agree with you 100%. There are many doctors who have too little time to realize what is actually wrong, or who overreact, and medicate pre-emptively. That does not, however, decrease their usefulness for people who truly need them.
 
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