Anti-GLBT U.S. Surgeon General?

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Uproar Over Surgeon General Nominee
By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 09 June 2007

Gay rights groups oppose Bush's pick, a Kentucky cardiologist, questioning his views on homosexuality.

Washington - President Bush's nominee for surgeon general ran into intensified opposition Friday, as two leading Democratic presidential candidates joined major gay and lesbian groups in urging his rejection by the Senate.

Dr. James W. Holsinger Jr., 68, a prominent cardiologist and former state health director in Kentucky, was nominated by Bush last month with a mandate to fight childhood obesity.

But controversy has erupted over a paper Holsinger wrote 16 years ago on human anatomy and homosexuality, as well as his role in church battles over policies toward gays. The furor may pose an insurmountable obstacle to his confirmation.

The paper, written as part of a debate within the United Methodist Church over its stance on homosexuality, suggested gay sex was unnatural.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, both vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, announced opposition to his appointment.

Holsinger is "a nominee who will divide America," Edwards said, castigating what he termed the doctor's "anti-gay writings and beliefs."

A spokesman for Clinton said that she intended to oppose Holsinger's confirmation and that she hoped Bush would reconsider the nomination.

Christina Pearson, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Health and Human Services Department, defended Holsinger, saying that charges of anti- gay bias are unfounded and distort his 40-year record of public service.

"He has told me very directly of his wish to serve the needs of all Americans, including gay and lesbian populations," Pearson said. She said that in 2002 he supported the inclusion of a panel on lesbian health at a conference in Kentucky, despite social conservatives' opposition.

Holsinger did not respond to a request for an interview.

The surgeon general functions as the nation's family doctor. The office is responsible for providing the public with information on how to improve their health and reduce the risks of illness and injury.

Some surgeon generals have used the post to crusade against smoking and problems such as disparities in healthcare for minorities. And some have proved controversial. In 1994, then-President Clinton asked Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders to resign after she told a forum on AIDS that children "perhaps should be taught" masturbation.

Holsinger's nomination is pending before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. Its chairman, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), joined in criticizing the nominee: "I am disappointed that the administration looked past the many talented physicians who have a record of bringing people together and instead chose an individual whose record appears to guarantee a polarizing and divisive nomination process."

Clinton serves on the committee, along with two other Democratic presidential candidates - Sens. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut and Barack Obama of Illinois. Dodd and Obama previously have issued strongly worded statements of concern about Holsinger's views, but they stopped short of saying they would oppose his confirmation.

Bush nominated Holsinger in late May; opposition led by the Human Rights Campaign, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and other gay rights groups has built in recent days as questions surfaced about his views on homosexuality.

Holsinger is a professor of preventive medicine at the University of Kentucky. Much of the uproar stems from his role as an official of the United Methodist Church, the nation's second-largest Protestant denomination. His 1991 paper was written for a church committee studying homosexuality. In it, he argued that anatomy suggests human beings were meant to be heterosexual. Sex between people of the same gender - especially men - could lead to many serious health problems, he wrote.

"When the complementarity of the sexes is breached, injuries and diseases may occur," he concluded.

Holsinger also serves as president of the Methodists' judicial council, which adjudicates disputes over church rules and policies. Last year, he voted to support a pastor who blocked a gay man from joining his congregation, the Associated Press reported. In 2004, he voted to expel a lesbian from the clergy, according to the AP.

The surgeon general's job has been filled on a temporary basis since Bush appointee Richard H. Carmona resigned last year.
 
January 20, 2009

Kick em all to the curb...Inauguration Day won't come soon enough for any of us.

Thanks for posting this Shanks
 
Shankara20 said:
Uproar Over Surgeon General Nominee
By Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 09 June 2007

Gay rights groups oppose Bush's pick, a Kentucky cardiologist, questioning his views on homosexuality.

Washington - President Bush's nominee for surgeon general ran into intensified opposition Friday, as two leading Democratic presidential candidates joined major gay and lesbian groups in urging his rejection by the Senate.

Dr. James W. Holsinger Jr., 68, a prominent cardiologist and former state health director in Kentucky, was nominated by Bush last month with a mandate to fight childhood obesity.

But controversy has erupted over a paper Holsinger wrote 16 years ago on human anatomy and homosexuality, as well as his role in church battles over policies toward gays. The furor may pose an insurmountable obstacle to his confirmation.

The paper, written as part of a debate within the United Methodist Church over its stance on homosexuality, suggested gay sex was unnatural.

Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, both vying for the Democratic presidential nomination, announced opposition to his appointment.

Holsinger is "a nominee who will divide America," Edwards said, castigating what he termed the doctor's "anti-gay writings and beliefs."

A spokesman for Clinton said that she intended to oppose Holsinger's confirmation and that she hoped Bush would reconsider the nomination.

Christina Pearson, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Health and Human Services Department, defended Holsinger, saying that charges of anti- gay bias are unfounded and distort his 40-year record of public service.

"He has told me very directly of his wish to serve the needs of all Americans, including gay and lesbian populations," Pearson said. She said that in 2002 he supported the inclusion of a panel on lesbian health at a conference in Kentucky, despite social conservatives' opposition.

Holsinger did not respond to a request for an interview.

The surgeon general functions as the nation's family doctor. The office is responsible for providing the public with information on how to improve their health and reduce the risks of illness and injury.

Some surgeon generals have used the post to crusade against smoking and problems such as disparities in healthcare for minorities. And some have proved controversial. In 1994, then-President Clinton asked Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders to resign after she told a forum on AIDS that children "perhaps should be taught" masturbation.

Holsinger's nomination is pending before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. Its chairman, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), joined in criticizing the nominee: "I am disappointed that the administration looked past the many talented physicians who have a record of bringing people together and instead chose an individual whose record appears to guarantee a polarizing and divisive nomination process."

Clinton serves on the committee, along with two other Democratic presidential candidates - Sens. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut and Barack Obama of Illinois. Dodd and Obama previously have issued strongly worded statements of concern about Holsinger's views, but they stopped short of saying they would oppose his confirmation.

Bush nominated Holsinger in late May; opposition led by the Human Rights Campaign, the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force and other gay rights groups has built in recent days as questions surfaced about his views on homosexuality.

Holsinger is a professor of preventive medicine at the University of Kentucky. Much of the uproar stems from his role as an official of the United Methodist Church, the nation's second-largest Protestant denomination. His 1991 paper was written for a church committee studying homosexuality. In it, he argued that anatomy suggests human beings were meant to be heterosexual. Sex between people of the same gender - especially men - could lead to many serious health problems, he wrote.

"When the complementarity of the sexes is breached, injuries and diseases may occur," he concluded.

Holsinger also serves as president of the Methodists' judicial council, which adjudicates disputes over church rules and policies. Last year, he voted to support a pastor who blocked a gay man from joining his congregation, the Associated Press reported. In 2004, he voted to expel a lesbian from the clergy, according to the AP.

The surgeon general's job has been filled on a temporary basis since Bush appointee Richard H. Carmona resigned last year.

Anyone who can still be disappointed by this administration is a cock-eyed optimist in my view. This President has let everyone down ages ago. A homophobic SG just fits right in with the President's narrow and pigheaded definition of family.
 
Fighting obesity (an epidemic in this country) is more important to me than some paper he wrote 16 years ago that "suggested" homosexual sex is unnatural (which it technically is).
 
Stuponfucious said:
Fighting obesity (an epidemic in this country) is more important to me than some paper he wrote 16 years ago that "suggested" homosexual sex is unnatural (which it technically is).

I'm a bit more attached to my liberties than to some new health crisis. Yes, obesity is bad, but not as bad as tyranny or oppression.

What's unnatural about homosexuality? It is practiced widely throughout the Animal Kingdom, not just among us more cerebral higher apes.
 
note re Stupon,

stupon: Fighting obesity (an epidemic in this country) is more important to me than some paper he wrote 16 years ago that "suggested" homosexual sex is unnatural (which it technically is).

P: i recommend that you read the original paper. the word "suggested" is not Holsinger's, but the reporter's, and is quite an understatement.
"it's unnatural and spreads deadly diseases" is a better summary of H's position. His recommended solution, of course, is heterosexual practice (vaginal sex) within marriage, and chastity before.

Just the kind of leader in national health issues we need!

Note: if you think a Bush appointee is going to control marketing of junk food, you probably also believe he and his team have been busy working for a clean environment.
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on the 'natural' issue, the poster above, fazil, has already answered you.
 
Pure said:
stupon: Fighting obesity (an epidemic in this country) is more important to me than some paper he wrote 16 years ago that "suggested" homosexual sex is unnatural (which it technically is).

P: i recommend that you read the original paper. the word "suggested" is not Holsinger's, but the reporter's, and is quite an understatement.
"it's unnatural and spreads deadly diseases" is a better summary of H's position. His recommended solution, of course, is heterosexual practice (vaginal sex) within marriage, and chastity before.

Just the kind of leader in national health issues we need!

Note: if you think a Bush appointee is going to control marketing of junk food, you probably also believe he and his team have been busy working for a clean environment.
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on the 'natural' issue, the poster above, fazil, has already answered you.

This kind of leadership hearkens back to the Inquisition, or at least it feels that way. Let me guess, he believes in a literal, 6-day creation, too?
 
FazilKotuk said:
This kind of leadership hearkens back to the Inquisition, or at least it feels that way. Let me guess, he believes in a literal, 6-day creation, too?

He probably believes in the 6-day creation for about 6000 years ago. But screw that crap, like the museum in some state in USA that has their very stupid 6-day creation museum. And well to a reason poll, then 55 % of the citizens in USA believes in that creation . But well, I know that my cats genetic ancestors are millions of years older than their crazy fuckedup theory.

Anyway, maybe God did create the Earth in 6 days, but it was definately not in 6 Earth days. But anyway, people are people. And some of them are totally screwed in their heads.

And Fazil, when you begin discussing with Stuponfucious, then you are in for a big fight.
 
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FazilKotuk said:
I'm a bit more attached to my liberties than to some new health crisis. Yes, obesity is bad, but not as bad as tyranny or oppression.

How does this paper threaten your liberty?

What's unnatural about homosexuality? It is practiced widely throughout the Animal Kingdom, not just among us more cerebral higher apes.

No it isn't. There is behavior that we as humans sometimes interpret as homosexual simply because the individuals involved are of the same sex, but such concepts are completely foreign to other animals. Humping for example isn't sexual, it's an act of establishing dominance. And I wouldn't call 10% "practiced widely".
 
Stuponfucious said:
How does this paper threaten your liberty?

Having the author of such a paper in a position of this sort threatens our liberty. He clearly has a fundamentalist agenda that he is going to seek to advance in office. The religious, fundamentalist right is one of the greatest perils to our freedom in this country.


No it isn't. There is behavior that we as humans sometimes interpret as homosexual simply because the individuals involved are of the same sex, but such concepts are completely foreign to other animals. Humping for example isn't sexual, it's an act of establishing dominance. And I wouldn't call 10% "practiced widely".


That's your interpretation. However, my research has given me different conclusions.
 
FazilKotuk said:
That's your interpretation. However, my research has given me different conclusions.

And that is the answer everybody gives. Most everyone thinks that for some miraculous reason that they have found the TRUTH! Most are then ready to fight and even die for that TRUTH.

Come on, do you really think it is so simple that YOU (or anyone) could figure it all out with your "research"?

The only intelligent answer (according to my research) is to say "I don't have a clue..." and go on about my business.
 
Stup How does this paper threaten your liberty?

A. Have you read it?

B. To answer: The more people that believe its contents, esp. the concept of gays blithely spreading deadly diseases far and wide , the more likely the continuance of laws against 'unnatural practices' and the the putting in place of new restrictions, e.g. bans on gay persons as teachers.

BTW, how exactly do you figure a GWB cabinet person is going to lead a fight against childhood obesity? Perhaps bring the subject to the weekly prayer meetings?
 
alaskabibear said:
And that is the answer everybody gives. Most everyone thinks that for some miraculous reason that they have found the TRUTH! Most are then ready to fight and even die for that TRUTH.

Come on, do you really think it is so simple that YOU (or anyone) could figure it all out with your "research"?

The only intelligent answer (according to my research) is to say "I don't have a clue..." and go on about my business.

I never claimed to have all of the answers. However, it's a reasonable, educated guess that humans aren't the only species that sometimes engage in homosexual conduct.
 
FazilKotuk said:
I never claimed to have all of the answers. However, it's a reasonable, educated guess that humans aren't the only species that sometimes engage in homosexual conduct.

I have seen male squids doing it with eachother, and well neither of them were the same species. Heck I have even seen apes being lesbians. So to those who believe it is unnatural about homosexual activity, my answer to you is "what ever !". And if you engage in hankypanky with your own gender, and you have just said, that is unnatural. Then you are filled with double standards. So what the fuck , I don´t give a shit about this or that.

And Fazil, it isn´t you I am talking about. Since you haven´t said around here it was unnatural, so peace to you.
 
Wolfman1982 said:
I have seen male squids doing it with eachother, and well neither of them were the same species. Heck I have even seen apes being lesbians. So to those who believe it is unnatural about homosexual activity, my answer to you is "what ever !". And if you engage in hankypanky with your own gender, and you have just said, that is unnatural. Then you are filled with double standards. So what the fuck , I don´t give a shit about this or that.

And Fazil, it isn´t you I am talking about. Since you haven´t said around here it was unnatural, so peace to you.

It's cool. Certain posters just made me imagine what a Gay Fundamentalist Club would look like. :p ;) Similar attitude about their sexual preference and all.
 
shakes my head in comprehension (unfortunately)...

Hi Shank, am not surprised by this, you know. Look at who Bush appointed to be head of the Office of Population Affairs, which is in charge of distributing and setting guidelines for use of Family Planning Monies - Keroack (not, obviously, the good one from the 50's, LOL). Anyway, the man is among those who oppose contraception of all kinds except for rhythm and natural family planning because when a husband has sex with his wife without the possibility of procreation, he objectifies her and thereby turns her into a whore... Ah, St. Augustine, we love you!

Anyway, HE was relieved of his post due to ethics violation in his home state of Massachusets, LOL. (The head of the department before him was a Bush cronnie who used her post to push her own publishing company's abstinence curricula.) The conference I was at last week was a required conference for family planning agencies that receive Title X (federal family planning) funds to do HIV testing. Since they are currently sans a Bush appointee at the helm, this is the FIRST of these conferences I've gone to in many years where the Abstinence-BeingFaithful-CondomsOnlyIfYouInsistonContinuingToSin message wasn't emphasized (it is now Cant for many family planning agencies in all of its judgmental glory), and where we weren't forced to sit through at least a couple of sessions by (almost exclusively Christian - there was one Native American healer once) priests/ministers.

Christopher Bates, who has been the "Acting Director" of AIDS Prevention for the CDC almost since the Bushies took over, has spoken at our conference many times. His first plenary, he was pushing abstinence, but as a nominally out gay man who gave a special "challenge" to my fair city to start talking to gay men about abstinence and monogamy. The second year, he suddenly almost became straight - at least the only personal references he made to his own life involved his fumblings with women while in college. This year, seeing the writing on the wall, and I presume assuming that the Dems will again be in power after this election, he suddenly became an LGBT activist who had no trouble talking about his niece's "tits out to here." (He was speaking of how early girls are developing these days, of course :rolleyes: )

The Office of Population Affairs now pays for rhythm beads (they look kind of like rosary beads, LOL) that presumably help women track the fertile times during their cycle while it is no longer allowing states to use Title X funds to train clinicians to perform colposcopies or to insert/remove legitimate methods of birth control such as IUDs (something that is not taught in med school).

These folks want to do as much as possible to dismantle anything within the government that is even nominally sex-positive and in support of citizens' ability to make sexual choices for themselves before they get out of office, while they are also determined to gorge at the federal trough...

Ok, I will now get off my soapbox, lol.

:rose: Neon
 
Shall I bite? Oh, I must, I must...

Stuponfucious said:
How does this paper threaten your liberty?



No it isn't. There is behavior that we as humans sometimes interpret as homosexual simply because the individuals involved are of the same sex, but such concepts are completely foreign to other animals. Humping for example isn't sexual, it's an act of establishing dominance. And I wouldn't call 10% "practiced widely".
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q91/cleasf/biteornot.jpg

Oh, I think I must, I must...

Where do you get your data? A Unites States Department of Agriculture (USDA) study , done under the aegis of the Bush Administration no less, found that approximately 10% of all male rams are same-gender oriented in their sexual preferences. Many zoos have male penguin pairs - these birds mate for life and perform nesting behavior with each other, sometimes in the wild taking on abandoned offspring or even going so far as to "borrow" eggs from another penguin nest to fulfill their parenting instincts - behavior that can hardly be interepreted as purely a show of dominance. The fact is that "homosexual behavior" has been documented in 1,500 mammal and bird species. In some cases, the behavior is related to establishing dominance (just as it is in U.S prisons, for instance), in many other cases it is not.

Regaring your comment about 10% not being a large number so homosexual behavior "must not be natural." Between only 8-15% of people in the world are naturally left-handed. Does this small percentage make left-handers any less natural? I would posit, instead, that left-handedness is a not-so-rare form of genetic variation among humans, as is the inclincation/drive for homosexual behavior...

~Neon
 
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