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Gone Fishing, With a Firearm: A Cherished Sport in Vermont - PAM BELLUCK, NY Times, 5.11.2004

T. ALBANS BAY, Vt. — The hunter's prey darted into the shadows, just out of reach of Henry Demar's gun. "Come on, stand up and be counted," Mr. Demar whispered excitedly. "There was a ripple that came out of the weeds. There's something out there." Dressed in camouflage, gripping his .357 Magnum, Mr. Demar was primed to shoot. But this time, no such luck. With a flick of its tail, his quarry — a slick silvery fish — was gone.

Fish shooting is a sport in Vermont, and every spring, hunters break out their artillery — high-caliber pistols, shotguns, even AK-47's — and head to the marshes to exercise their right to bear arms against fish.

It is a controversial pastime, and Vermont's fish and wildlife regulators have repeatedly tried to ban it. They call it unsportsmanlike and dangerous, warning that a bullet striking water can ricochet across the water like a skipping stone.

But fish shooting has survived, a cherished tradition for some Vermont families and a novelty to some teenagers and twenty-somethings. Fixated fish hunters climb into trees overhanging the water (some even build "fish blinds" to sit in), sail in small skiffs or perch on the banks of marshes that lace Lake Champlain, on Vermont's northwest border.

"They call us crazy, I guess, to go sit in a tree and wait for fish to come out," said Dean Paquette, 66, as he struggled to describe the fish-shooting rush. "It's something that once you've done it . . ." Mr. Paquette, a retired locomotive engineer, has passed fish shooting on to his children and grandchildren, including his daughter, Nicki, a nurse. "You have to be a good shot," said Ms. Paquette, 31, who started shooting at age 6. "It's a challenge. I think that's why people do it."

There is art, or at least science, to shooting fish, aficionados say, and it has nothing to do with a barrel. Most fish hunters do not want to shoot the actual fish, because then "you can't really eat them," Ms. Paquette said. "They just kind of shatter."

Instead, said Mr. Demar, "you try to shoot just in front of the fish's nose or head." The bullet torpedoes to the bottom and creates "enough concussion that it breaks the fish's air bladder and it floats to the surface."

Often the target is a female fish come to spawn in shallow water, accompanied by several male acolytes who might also be killed, or stunned, by the concussion. "If you shoot a high-powered rifle, you can get a big mare and six or seven little bucks," Mr. Paquette said.

Permitted from March 25 to May 25, only on Lake Champlain, fish shooting has probably existed for a century. It also used to be legal in New York, which borders the huge apostrophe-shaped lake. ... Since then, there have been several efforts to halt fish shooting. But they have been stopped by noisy objections from a small but dedicated bunch.

Worst of all, state officials say, many shooters do not retrieve all the fish they kill. They leave behind fish they cannot find or do not want to wade after and fish that exceed the state's five-pike-a-day limit or fall under the 20-inch minimum length for northern pike. Mr. Marcelle recently found 18 dead fish left to rot.

Two dead fish recently greeted Mr. Demar and his companions at the marsh, a species he called mudfish. There were some frolicking muskrats, chickadees in the ash and willow trees plus shell casings from an 8-millimeter Mauser. ("Oh, that's made for blowing them out of the water," Mr. Rushford said.)

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I have heard of people bow-hunting for fish but never using firearms. For one thing, it is dangerous. Bullets can skip across water like stones. They can also ricochet off submerged rocks. For another thing, if you hit one, how do you retrieve it? If it's dead, it might float, unless some scavenger fish gets it irst. If it is injured, it will swim away to die somewhere else. A waste, either way.
 
shereads said:
Perdita, are you saying you've never shot a fish?
Of course not. I've only killed my young son's goldfish (accidentally of course, smothered in gravel). P.
 
The only time I've been successful at fishing was when I went down into the sea armed with a spear and a snorkel. A spear, not a spear gun. I was 10 years old.

Squid and octopus I caught with my bare hands.

All of them supplemented my pocket money. I don't eat much fish except out of tomato-sauce filled cans.

One of my friends decided that hand grenades would be more efficient. He stole a box of them but was discovered before he had tried to use them (from a canvas covered canoe).

Og
 
Okay Why wiuld you need camoflague gear to shoot fish?
Why would you be shooting fish in the first place?
Do people eat shot fish?
 
There's this place in Thailand were the fish swim so thick, that when you feed them you can chuck a rock at their heads and kill 'em. I saw a kid doing this, but then he stood on spiky thing (what are they called again?)...
 
Am I wrong, wouldn't a 357 blow a fish to bits. I mean hell if you want tuna sized fish pieces buy it in the can. I hope they take along nets to gather up all those little bits.

Wicked:kiss:
 
perdita said:
Of course not. I've only killed my young son's goldfish (accidentally of course, smothered in gravel). P.

God.

Reminded of all the unfortunate childhood pets.
 
Wicked-N-Erotic said:
Am I wrong, wouldn't a 357 blow a fish to bits. I mean hell if you want tuna sized fish pieces buy it in the can. I hope they take along nets to gather up all those little bits.

Wicked:kiss:

According to the original post:
Most fish hunters do not want to shoot the actual fish, because then "you can't really eat them," Ms. Paquette said. "They just kind of shatter."

My objection to shooting fish is economic -- even if youreleaod your own ammunition, every time you pull the trigger, it costs about $0.75 for anything high powered enough to create the concussion required to kill a fish. If you buy commercial ammunition, the cost goes up to about $1.50/fish

You can buy a dozen fish-hooks and a roll of fishline for the cost of two shots -- and they're reusable.

Fish shooting has got to be the most uneconomical method of fishing I've ever heard of.
 
Weird Harold said:
Fish shooting has got to be the most uneconomical method of fishing I've ever heard of.

Oh, you're darn tootin'! No one does this out of sheer hunger for fried trout and hushpuppies. But what pisses me off is the account of fish left to rot. Eat what you kill or make sure someone else does, dammit. I don't hunt or fish (no skill whatsoever) but I gladly accept the meat.

MM
 
I wonder how long it will be before someone writes an erotic story including fish shooting
 
shereads said:
To keep the high-strung ones from being nervous during the race.


Wouldn't those be fish blinders? And if so, how do you get them to stay on?

~lucky
 
ABSTRUSE said:
I use it to keep my wig on....shit, I said that out loud.:eek:

Shit, Abs, do you have to make my stomach hurt from laughing this damn early in the morning?

:kiss:
 
RenzaJones said:
I wonder how long it will be before someone writes an erotic story including fish shooting

Well, I have the guns... bring on the fish! ;)

Hmmm... That's got my creative juices flowing. :eek:

Lou :p
 
Hell, if it's the concussion that kills 'em, why stop at a gun. Toss a stick of dynamite in the lake and bring up the whole school!


This is nuts. I'm a southern boy, and a fisherman since I was a kid. Fishing was done with a pole and a lure or bait. And you eat what you catch or release it.

As with any other type of hunting, if you're not going to eat it, don't kill it.
 
cloudy said:
Shit, Abs, do you have to make my stomach hurt from laughing this damn early in the morning?

:kiss:

Tightens the...ABS!!!!!! You don't want to have a big belly like Renza......she says she pregnant, but I think it's beer!
 
Tatelou said:
Well, I have the guns... bring on the fish! ;)

Hmmm... That's got my creative juices flowing. :eek:

Lou :p

are you sure it's the creative juices that are flowing?
:D
 
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