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[twelveoone]

Seems, I may be a minorty of one.
I know this is not an academic site, where people can get on/off and write a massive missive about why should they care if you don't care enough to run things through a spill chucker.
I recently left a comment and a 75, and to his credit, he did not delete it. Two others commented on the comment. They are right. Seems the poet took dead aim on some emo hole and hit it. Half of what poetry is about I guess. My point if it can be improved, easliy, why not mention it, if something detracts...
If ten-twenty people are going to line up and tell you how wonderful..you can afford to take an ego hit. And really, comments should have a variety of opinions, I assume we are all different, maybe I'm wrong
Am I that anal?
On the other hand, I do go out of my way to read a variety of styles, do try to see things from the perspective of the writer, and the score is relative to what I perceive that person is capable of. Sometimes they slip. (this time it was laziness, I think)
I ain't that anal.
On the other hand, I object to blanket dismissal of anything that is not what you perceive in a narrow outlook is not worthy of your attention.
Nor do I slap low scores as an anon, nor do I complain about it.
The irony of all this underwhelms me.
And I see I made an ass of me, by assumeing.
And I question...why fuckin bother?

 

[PatCarrington]

Seems, I may be a minorty of one.
I know this is not an academic site, where people can get on/off and write a massive missive about why should they care if you don't care enough to run things through a spill chucker.
I recently left a comment and a 75, and to his credit, he did not delete it. Two others commented on the comment. They are right. Seems the poet took dead aim on some emo hole and hit it. Half of what poetry is about I guess. My point if it can be improved, easliy, why not mention it, if something detracts...
If ten-twenty people are going to line up and tell you how wonderful..you can afford to take an ego hit. And really, comments should have a variety of opinions, I assume we are all different, maybe I'm wrong
Am I that anal?
On the other hand, I do go out of my way to read a variety of styles, do try to see things from the perspective of the writer, and the score is relative to what I perceive that person is capable of. Sometimes they slip. (this time it was laziness, I think)
I ain't that anal.
On the other hand, I object to blanket dismissal of anything that is not what you perceive in a narrow outlook is not worthy of your attention.
Nor do I slap low scores as an anon, nor do I complain about it.
The irony of all this underwhelms me.
And I see I made an ass of me, by assumeing.
And I question...why fuckin bother?

for what it's worth, i find you compleletly honest in your assessments.

you try as much as one is able to abandon pre-conception and your own personal prejudices about poetry and a specific writer when you judge.

what more could anyone ask for in critique?

as far as what you said above, you can make it a minority of 2, for now.

i have a feeling it is a larger club than you think.

 

[WickedEve]

Make that 3. I would say more but no one ever pays a bit of attention to anything I say unless I mention my ass.

 

[PatCarrington]

Make that 3. I would say more but no one ever pays a bit of attention to anything I say unless I mention my ass.

you know........

....................never mind.

enough threads get hijacked around here.

 

[Tathagata]

I'm not sure

if this is about my poem..
But I posted this in the " to keep the review thread clean" thread


https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=11925272&postcount=2386

You were right in your assessment of the poem.
the fact that other people may disagree doesn't mean you were "wrong" anymore than it means they are "right".

The poem was half done, could have been better, but I wanted to move on.

laziness, in part yes, impatience, most certainly.

I may not always agree on what you see 1201, and we've discussed it in PM's and on the board, but I also know you have no agenda and simply report what you see/ feel regardless of the author.

I appreciate that honesty




but I really hope all this " right and wrong", stepping on toes bullshit goes away.
just say what you want, say what you feel, and stop worrying what everyone else thinks.

 

[annaswirls]

roll call

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I have stated this many times, 1201. Sometimes I (like most) have weak moments and let things get to me.

This is only a popularity contest for those who care about it.

 

[annaswirls]

Make that 3. I would say more but no one ever pays a bit of attention to anything I say unless I mention my ass.

Well maybe I am a minority of 1 (I doubt that...)
but I pay more attention to what you say when your ass is not involved at all.


It is lovely but nothing in comparison to what is above your shoulders.

I would say more, but I think you may be teasing

 

[bluerains]

this comes up on

other sites as well...I tend post the best of the poem I see..because I am not really a critic...my other half ...John ...ever the cynic is very anal about structure and form and style ..we discuss this all the time ...me the overly nice comments and he always tells facts be it good or bad in what he sees....but, thats what makes us different and no one has the same viewpoint on what is...so just be your wonderful self ...be it cynical or honest ....never give up your power to another....be blessed/blue

Seems, I may be a minorty of one.
I know this is not an academic site, where people can get on/off and write a massive missive about why should they care if you don't care enough to run things through a spill chucker.
I recently left a comment and a 75, and to his credit, he did not delete it. Two others commented on the comment. They are right. Seems the poet took dead aim on some emo hole and hit it. Half of what poetry is about I guess. My point if it can be improved, easliy, why not mention it, if something detracts...
If ten-twenty people are going to line up and tell you how wonderful..you can afford to take an ego hit. And really, comments should have a variety of opinions, I assume we are all different, maybe I'm wrong
Am I that anal?
On the other hand, I do go out of my way to read a variety of styles, do try to see things from the perspective of the writer, and the score is relative to what I perceive that person is capable of. Sometimes they slip. (this time it was laziness, I think)
I ain't that anal.
On the other hand, I object to blanket dismissal of anything that is not what you perceive in a narrow outlook is not worthy of your attention.
Nor do I slap low scores as an anon, nor do I complain about it.
The irony of all this underwhelms me.
And I see I made an ass of me, by assumeing.
And I question...why fuckin bother?

 

[flyguy69]

Are there monthly dues?

Can I join the 1201 Club? There isn't any kind of hazing ritual, is there?

It seems a problem arises because you simply can't know why a person posts, here. Some do it for catharsis, some for strokes, some in dedicated attempt to improve. Critical comments are only welcome and helpful for the latter.

I think you do as good of a job as can be expected of trying to discern the writer's goals when you comment, 12, and those of us here to improve appreciate it very much. As for rest of the herd, well, there are plenty of sycophants out there, too.

 

[Syndra Lynn]

I am guilty

of mostly posting the positive for fear of hurting feelings. UNLESS I know the author. If said author is of the type to want constructive criticism and I know this and see a spot to offer it, I do. I am far more gentle with virgins.

And I ALWAY wish for honest opinions. So many times, it really helps me improve a work. But if I am happy with my poem, or need to leave it a certain way, I feel free to ignore critiques or suggestions that don't appeal to me.

Unfortunately, not everyone is that open minded.

tip-toe through the poets
plucking flowers

Syn

 

[flyguy69]

of mostly posting the positive for fear of hurting feelings. UNLESS I know the author. If said author is of the type to want constructive criticism and I know this and see a spot to offer it, I do. I am far more gentle with virgins.

And I ALWAY wish for honest opinions. So many times, it really helps me improve a work. But if I am happy with my poem, or need to leave it a certain way, I feel free to ignore critiques or suggestions that don't appeal to me.

Unfortunately, not everyone is that open minded.

tip-toe through the poets
plucking flowers

Syn

I'm more gentle with virgins, too. But with gurus I am a hair-pulling, obscentity-spewing, ravenous beast.

 

[Syndra Lynn]

I'm more gentle with virgins, too. But with gurus I am a hair-pulling, obscentity-spewing, ravenous beast.

Do you have any idea how much that turns me on?

Do me next!

Syn

 

[flyguy69]

Do you have any idea how much that turns me on?

Do me next!

Syn

I do not. Please put it in illustrated poetry.

Oops, thread hijack! Sorry, 12, I'll give Syndra's poem a thorough review!

 

[Angeline]

I don't say anything negative unless it's someone I know who wants a real critique. Then I give it, usually here in a thread or in pm or email. I've been burned too many times to invest my energy in studying and commenting on a poem for someone who's going to think it means I'm judging them as a person. I'm not and some people never seem to understand that so what can you do?

People can say whatever they want, however they want if they comment on my submissions. I appreciate it and try to learn from all of it, though "your poem sucks" isn't very informative. I can work with the rest though.

 

[flyguy69]

Probably the clearest message that a writer is not interested in input comes when they delete a comment. If someone deletes a comment I make on a poem, they won't see a second one.

 

[PatCarrington]

Probably the clearest message that a writer is not interested in input comes when they delete a comment. If someone deletes a comment I make on a poem, they won't see a second one.

i didn't even know that could be done, deleting comments!

jesus, where have i been?

i don't think you should be able to delete comments. once you put a poem out it public, it is the public's, and that means everyone, the anon's and trolls as well. everyone should take them for what they're worth, nothing.

you can always respond to them with a comment of your own.

 

[flyguy69]

i didn't even know that could be done, deleting comments!

jesus, where have i been?

i don't think you should be able to delete comments. once you put a poem out it public, it is the public's, and that means everyone, the anon's and trolls as well. everyone should take them for what they're worth, nothing.

you can always respond to them with a comment of your own.

Absolutely. And i think you once mentioned the best treatment for a turd is to leave it out there for all the world to see-- unhelpful or mean-spirited comments reflect more on the reader than the writer.

 

[Angeline]

i didn't even know that could be done, deleting comments!

jesus, where have i been?

i don't think you should be able to delete comments. once you put a poem out it public, it is the public's, and that means everyone, the anon's and trolls as well. everyone should take them for what they're worth, nothing.

you can always respond to them with a comment of your own.

or write a poem about it. that makes it productive.

 

[Angeline]

Does anyone on this thread think Tath needs a spanking? I didn't but if so Eve and Lauren and I volunteer.

Can I wear the black spanking stockings?

Tath, you get a spank from me for every ellipsis point you never took out.

 

[wildsweetone]

Way back in the Dark Ages, I was giving story feedback in the SF Forum to any and all that wanted help with their writing. After a fair amount of time I had enough of doing that.

Now I give critiques to a very specific few people and I believe they are some who are willing to take my thoughts on board and use whatever they need to then move forward and improve their work.

I do not bother spending my valuable time giving in depth critiques to people who show no interest in learning.

My first foray into poetry critiques on Lit was via the Same Title Challenge and it looks like I did okay. Well, okay enough to have another go.

But in here, Poets come to share, learn and/or improve.

There is a difference between me going and commenting on poems/stories published on Lit compared to those authors coming to me. The latter means they value my opinion and want to improve, so my time is not wasted.

 

[Maria2394]

1201--
may I join?

I used to try to give constructive FB, like angeline said, it bit me, so I stopped. No one asks me for FB, so that tells me even more. I pulled my own work because I never, okay, rarely got constructive FB, when I did it was 1201 or flyguy or some other male who knew I could take it so it was offered. I never posted here for strokes, it actually embarrasses me. I want to get better, to learn, so now I read the writers here that I admire and do not even waste my time on the ones that I know ARE only here for strokes.

Thanks for this thread 1201---totally not a waste of space



maria

 

[BooMerengue]

A long, long time ago Angeline gave some good advice on commenting. She said (paraphrasing here)

First, say something nice.

Theres always at least one nice thing that can be found, even if it's "Hey, I like your font!" (my words, not hers.)

Then, if you must give criticism use your best manners.

After that, if the author wants more then, and only then, go into more detail.

That doesn't happen here much anymore.

Remember? Even Thumpers Mom had it right... "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Thats one of the first things I learned (after my Mom taught me) in Management Training. Find something nice to say first, Then give 'em the hard stuff.

I think all adults are capable of this; why don't all practice it? Is it cool to be rude? Is anyone here such a perfect poet that they can rightfully denigrate another's work?

Nope and nope.

'Nuff said.

 

[impressive]

And I question...why fuckin bother?

Why, indeed? You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

[twelveoone]

if this is about my poem..
But I posted this in the " to keep the review thread clean" thread


https://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=11925272&postcount=2386

You were right in your assessment of the poem.
the fact that other people may disagree doesn't mean you were "wrong" anymore than it means they are "right".

The poem was half done, could have been better, but I wanted to move on.

laziness, in part yes, impatience, most certainly.

I may not always agree on what you see 1201, and we've discussed it in PM's and on the board, but I also know you have no agenda and simply report what you see/ feel regardless of the author.

I appreciate that honesty




but I really hope all this " right and wrong", stepping on toes bullshit goes away.
just say what you want, say what you feel, and stop worrying what everyone else thinks.

This in part was prompted by comments on your poem. The two commenters are right in what they said, I pm'ed one of them, and told her I was impressed, with what she said, how she said it. And they are right. It affected them. At this point, I have to question what I am doing, what my perception is, what the utility is. In this case no toes stepped on. Both people had valid considered points, and said why they liked it, I was impressed.
I am more concerned with deletion of comments, (as if image must be preserved) or short hand comments, that I hope was understood by the author, but may have been taken the wrong way by other viewers.
My aim, has never been to crush ego, at times to deflate it, when sometimes called for, ego is a killer to improvement, to open eyes.

I have been brutal with anna, others, no sugar pills. Everybody writes lines that suck, things that are off, I feel it helpful (to all concerend, author and reader alike) if it said why. Nobody has to agree with it, but it is another view.

And Eve, no more ass talk, the last time I saw it, you mooned me. And I think you hit a new high with shuffalong and a new low with dildo in the title of the other one.

 

[Angeline]

A long, long time ago Angeline gave some good advice on commenting. She said (paraphrasing here)

First, say something nice.

Theres always at least one nice thing that can be found, even if it's "Hey, I like your font!" (my words, not hers.)

Then, if you must give criticism use your best manners.

After that, if the author wants more then, and only then, go into more detail.

That doesn't happen here much anymore.

Remember? Even Thumpers Mom had it right... "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."

Thats one of the first things I learned (after my Mom taught me) in Management Training. Find something nice to say first, Then give 'em the hard stuff.

I think all adults are capable of this; why don't all practice it? Is it cool to be rude? Is anyone here such a perfect poet that they can rightfully denigrate another's work?

Nope and nope.

'Nuff said.

I've had some trolling on my comments but not much. My poems seem more likely to be 1-bombed, but I don't care about that. And if somebody doesn't like my poem and they can explain why, I can learn what I'm doing that didn't communicate to at least one reader. Some things I'll be willing to change, others not but I'm always the winner because I can make the poem better. Maybe I've been lucky to have mostly polite naysayers.