...and lead us not into temptation.

[Ramone45]

To paraphrase an author or philosopher or something, "If you forgive all the little tricks I've played on You, I'll forgive the great big trick You played on me." Meaning God created us a sinful beings and then he expects us to be good.
This is not a big deal, Francis just wants a more accurate translation which makes more sense.

 

[Bert Notorius]

to quote
some dude:

the path to
Salvation
is as narrow
and as difficult
to walk
as a razor's edge.

 

[BobBalouski]

I don't see it so much as he expects us to be good, since he obviously understands how bad we are, how lost we are without him. I mean, the story goes that he created us in the first place. Seems what he wants us to do is fully realize that and then to comprehend how that naturally keeps us separated from him (perfection, cannot abide with anything less, I believe it is written somewhere). Seems as long as we breathe and remain somewhat coherent, we have the option every second of our lives to understand that or not. Our choice. Free choice to accept his will or not. I believe that's really all it's all about: us simply making a choice that many believe is the only reason we were born to live at all. Choosing to want his will over our own and this world's obviously won't make any practical difference in us compared to before choosing; after all, we're still the same sinful creatures as before.

But making that choice of his will over all others also comes with his promise that it will be his strength, his spirit, his will in us that then makes all the difference in the worlds: this one doomed (see: entropy), and his kingdom come.

This Pope seems a fool: God obviously leads us all into temptation, as God most clearly did to himself as man immediately after John baptized him as Lord, and Jesus was led directly into the desert to the tempter himself. And what was Jesus tempted with? Only everything in this world. And how did he react? He didn't object, he didn't argue, he didn't reason, he didn't negotiate: he simply quoted the words of his father and the power of temptation was quashed by truth.

Free choice. Our choice. Choose wisely.

 

[phrodeau]

To paraphrase an author or philosopher or something, "If you forgive all the little tricks I've played on You, I'll forgive the great big trick You played on me." Meaning God created us a sinful beings and then he expects us to be good.
This is not a big deal, Francis just wants a more accurate translation which makes more sense.

That sounds like Christopher Hitchens.

It will be interesting to see if the Catholic Church can follow through on a re-edit of the Our Father.

 

[Bert Notorius]

they already edited
"trespasses" for "debts".

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

"Temptation" is a bad translation from Aramaic to Greek to English. The original intent is being tested as a result of our wrongful thinking.

Eta: the point being, we can't handle being tested because we will fail.

 

[Hypoxia]

The KJV won't be re-issued and it begs of Lord {JHWH}, "...lead us not into temptation..." which clearly implies that Lord {JHWH} is the tempter. The revision (in Anglish) is, "...let us not fall into temptation," which still says that it's all Lord {JHWH}'s fault, as believers only "fall into temptation" by their Lord's leave.

Those who think Luminous Lucifer leads the weak into temptation forget that this angel is only another creature and tool of Lord {JHWH}, doing divine bidding. The theology game is rigged, folks. Worship the trickster and see what it gets you.