And also...

[Jenny_Jackson]

It's about fucking time...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/17/yale.student.le/index.html

Hope they hang this asshole by his nuts.

 

[rgraham666]

We haven't seen the evidence yet. I'll wait until I do before I pass judgement.

 

[JamesSD]

Whoever committed this crime is a sick individual.

From what I know about it, odds are it was someone with building access. I guess we'll find out in October if he's found guilty.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Whoever committed this crime is a sick individual.

From what I know about it, odds are it was someone with building access. I guess we'll find out in October if he's found guilty.

Well, James, I've read everything I can find on this from a dozen sources. The FBI administered a lie detector test which he failed. The lastest is he was taken into custody for questioning and on two search warrents - his home and his person. Under questioning his responses were confused on contradictory, then he refused to answer anything and demanded a lawyer. The lawyer advised him to give a DNA sample. Afterwards they let him go. Then there was another search warrent issued and he was arrested (not taken into custody for questioning) and jailed.

Regardless of what CSI Miami says, a DNA test doesn't take 15 minutes, it takes 3+ weeks. But obviously the police had enough evidence to make an arrest.

 

[DesertPirate]

Saw the police chief on TV, he said it was "workplace violence" and nothing else. That leave a lot of room for speculation but he seemed very confidant. Hope so.

 

[Liar]

Police still do lie detector tests?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Police still do lie detector tests?

No. The FBI did the test. And no, it's still not admissable in court.

 

[JamesSD]

Oh, it's definitely not looking good for the guy they arrested. The main issue is if they have pretty good proof, or just a lot of circumstantial evidence.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

They do not use lie detector tests for court purposes, but for detective work. If they see that you aren't being honest in one area of your life or another, then they know better where to focus on their search for other clues. If they know X, Y, and Z about you, and you lie about Y, your bank statements, then they know to take a closer look at all of your money transactions, and find out who is paying you, or who you are paying, and see where that leads them.

 

[Elianna]

I found myself waffling between upset and morbidly fascinated by this whole thing. This seemed to come right from a Law & Order or a CSI film. In fact, it reminded me of one or two that I've seen with the whole "body in the wall" part.

I hope for the sake of the family and closure that the guy they have is the right guy. I also hope they, as JJ said, "hang him by his nuts" if he's guilty.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, it's definitely not looking good for the guy they arrested. The main issue is if they have pretty good proof, or just a lot of circumstantial evidence.

The suspect has wounds on his hands and face, and it is known the victim fought back. According to video, he was the last person with her.

 

[TE999]

I'm guessin' he had the hots for her...prolly saw her in the building all the time...she may have said 'Hi' to him on occasion..."Ooo, she likes me."

I saw another report in which he was described as a 'control freak'...that means an obscessive nature...he may have heard about her wedding...he finally decided to put the moves on her...she resisted his advances...Boom!...she's dead.

He's a sick fuck that, as Jen said, deserves to be hung by his nuts.

 

[sr71plt]

Isn't the point--especially for those who claim to be such strict Constitutional constructionists--that we convict before we hang in this country? (Not to mention that it isn't our responsibility--or privilege--to convict.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

Isn't the point--especially for those who claim to be such strict Constitutional constructionists--that we convict before we hang in this country? (Not to mention that it isn't our responsibility--or privilege--to convict.)

I doubt that he will ever die for this. If he is found guilty, it will probably be of some lesser offense, such as voluntary manslaughter, because there was probably no premeditation that can be proven. He will probably end up being sentenced to the maximum and released after a couple of years.

 

[sr71plt]

I doubt that he will ever die for this. If he is found guilty, it will probably be of some lesser offense, such as voluntary manslaughter, because there was probably no premeditation that can be proven. He will probably end up being sentenced to the maximum and released after a couple of years.

Sorry, you missed the point and who I was addressing it to.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Sorry, you missed the point and who I was addressing it to.

You may find this hard to believe, but I was agreeing with you.

 

[Elianna]

Sorry, you missed the point and who I was addressing it to.

When we feel we are wronged, it's part of our nature to seek atonement. It's a common thread in our lives. Hell, even religions taught us seek sacrificial attonements to sate a god's need for revenge.

Granted, now we have our legal system so we hopefully don't burn innocent people, but that doesn't stop people from getting out their torches and pitchforks when they're pissed and want "justice". We've been doing it for eons. I think this "witch hunt" tendency is born out of the grief cycle and is very human. (After all, we're not always the nicest creatures by nature).

Oh. And just to point out, I'm not saying it's right. But, I'm human, and for that grieving family's sake; I hope they get their attonement.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I doubt that he will ever die for this. If he is found guilty, it will probably be of some lesser offense, such as voluntary manslaughter, because there was probably no premeditation that can be proven. He will probably end up being sentenced to the maximum and released after a couple of years.

Right now we'll just have to wait and see what happens. My understanding, Box, is that his lawyer dumped him and the replacement "mouthpiece" showed up at the arraignment unprepared. Not plea was entered. As the evidence is collected one of two things will happen.
Either he will admit the crime and cop a deal.
Or he will hang in there, go to trial and end up (most likely) with life.

 

[TE999]

Right now we'll just have to wait and see what happens. My understanding, Box, is that his lawyer dumped him and the replacement "mouthpiece" showed up at the arraignment unprepared. Not plea was entered. As the evidence is collected one of two things will happen.
Either he will admit the crime and cop a deal.
Or he will hang in there, go to trial and end up (most likely) with life.

Once the evidence is presented in the preliminary hearing, ten to one says his counsel cops a plea and saves the court...and 12 people... a lot of time.

 

[sr71plt]

Granted, now we have our legal system so we hopefully don't burn innocent people, but that doesn't stop people from getting out their torches and pitchforks when they're pissed and want "justice". We've been doing it for eons. I think this "witch hunt" tendency is born out of the grief cycle and is very human. (After all, we're not always the nicest creatures by nature).

Some are more "we" than others with that fast reach for the pitchfork. I find it amusing that those who are fastest on the draw for the pitchforks are the ones who talk up respecting authority and the Constitution the most.

 

[sirhugs]

It's about fucking time...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/17/yale.student.le/index.html

Hope they hang this asshole by his nuts.

first he'd have to have nuts instead of just being nuts

 

[Boxlicker101]

Once the evidence is presented in the preliminary hearing, ten to one says his counsel cops a plea and saves the court...and 12 people... a lot of time.

That is my expectation too. My guess: Cop to voluntary manslaughter and get fifteen years. The other choice: Go to trial and risk second degree murder, which would mean 25 to life. I don't know how accurate those figures are, but the numbers are probably fairly close.

I believe there is no chance at all of a conviction for first degree murder.