An issue with underage stories.

[lovecraft68]

I just read a thread where it seems a person's story was rejected for the word 'prepubescent'. I have no qualm with this, it certainly smacks of underage.

In that thread of course people are stressing how the site has such a hard rule on under age.

Yet...let's talk about budding breasts. Now, I'm obviously not female, but raised two daughters and of course were around all their friends at every stage of their lives. Breasts do not bud at 18. In fact unless a girl is a late bloomer they're 'budding' before 16 but that I would leave the ladies here to be experts on.

Fact is Budding breasts denotes heavy underage. An 18 year old girl can have small perky tits. She can have 'luscious little titties;' she can be flat chested whatever. Many women are smaller breasted and there are plenty of ways to say it and give the image of what in porn would be referred to a 'barely legal' and many of us have seen 'teen' porn vids where some of these girls look disturbingly young, but we assume they are 18 or everyone involved is going to jail.

So there are plenty of men with the fantasy of girls who are 18 but may appear younger and 'budding breasts' is aimed at them. The crowd this site says they don't want. I know the site and author has no control over how a reader perceives a story. An author can say 19 and have the person act fairly mature, but a reader may still want them to be younger for their own taste. That's fine, they are choosing that interpretation.

Budding breasts leaves no doubt. None whatsoever that this author is trying to describe a girl who is well under eighteen. Want some interesting reading on this? Simple do a search for puberty or go to web md or anywhere else with developmental information.

Budding is a well, hell its close to prepubescent!

So my point is this is an underage term and no story should be getting through with it in there. The site could nail the word in the other thread they should be able to nail this.

My point here is simple. If we have such a staunch rule then why is this all over the site? People here who question the rule at times are treated nothing short of belligerently, like they are child molesters for wondering if they can stick a 16 year old in a story looking at a naked woman.

Examples below.

 

[lovecraft68]

First off search Budding breasts. Some stories have budding in the title in an appropriate manner. But the stories listed without it in the title that came up? Do some skimming.

https://www.literotica.com/s/another-letter-from-daddy

fourth paragraph amid the massive wall of text

My cock jumped as you reached around behind you and unsnapped the clasp on your bra and your little budding breasts that were inside them

https://www.literotica.com/s/jennys-new-neighbor

Fifth paragraph

She knew that the sight of her budding breasts would give the stranger a vicarious thrill and at the same time


https://www.literotica.com/s/bring-your-daughter-to-work-day

He looked over and saw how his little girl had grown up how her budding sexuality was coming out in many ways, ready for blossoming and harvest.


BTW this gem features the obviously underage daughter being taken to work by daddy and gang banged roughly by six men. This one is an underage fan's dream come true.

https://www.literotica.com/s/the-toolshed

With her budding sexuality, Paula knew she could lure her brother with her body more budding....budding sexuality is part of puberty, when do we go through puberty? 18 right?

 

[SecondCircle]

I just always thought the site wasn't perfect. Sometimes it'll slip through. Sometimes it'll get nailed. If I see one, I'd report it. I'd personally hate to have the job of looking for stuff like this. I don't think anyone purposely means to let something like that through.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Did you report them?

 

[lovecraft68]

The above were three of the first several stories listed. I only looked at shorter ones because I'm not wasting my morning on this, but I went three for three. The search engine is fairly accurate.

There is a very good chance as the pages go on the relevance of the word declines, but safe bet that if someone wants to take more time to look through the stories in at least the first couple of pages budding is used in an underage context.

As for the purpose of this thread? I'm dropping it here. I'm not coming back to it and I don't even want an answer from anyone. It speaks for itself.

I know its difficult to edit all these stories alone. But if you want rules to be taken seriously there has to be a serious process. It should not be up to the readers/authors to police things like this.

Sad thing is all those stories have countless reads with no complaints so there is a market for this, we all know that.

I've done this with the word rape before, but lets face it, that rule is not only gray in its explanation, but a damn joke anyway.

But underage? Well according to every damn thread about this topic-and there are a nauseating amount of them- the site takes this seriously.

Not serious enough for this amount of stories for this underage term. And let's not start in on the 21 year olds talking and acting like they're 12, but that I understand is difficult to catch on to without reading an entire story. "budding breasts" budding sexuality...should be an easy keyword search in the story file.

 

[lovecraft68]

I just always thought the site wasn't perfect. Sometimes it'll slip through. Sometimes it'll get nailed. If I see one, I'd report it. I'd personally hate to have the job of looking for stuff like this. I don't think anyone purposely means to let something like that through.

No one is perfect. But you can set up a program to flag certain words and terms that should be one of them.

Purposefully could be seen two ways. One, if they had a choice woulf they want them here? No, I don't think so. But do you have a real screening process? No. Meaning you know odds are all kinds of things are flying through here.

So if one wants to say knowing you're not making the effort is a form of purposeful then a case can be made for that.

You can't say there's a no stealing policy in work when you arrest someone who has previously watched 15 people walk out the door in front of security with stolen items.

 

[lovecraft68]

Did you report them?

No, see my other post. Its not my job to, well not anymore. I used to, then many times the story still stayed. So I give up.

If people want to report those stories that's their choice, but they have been here for years.

This isn't about ratting on anyone as much as please get off the high horse of 'we don't allow that!" unless you're making a real effort to ensure it doesn't happen.

an occasional rule breaker will happen. I can't fathom how many under age stories are in this site along with other stories with violations. I don't break the rules, I believe most don't and I think if nothing else maybe Laurel feels most people will just follow them, but human nature says she's wrong.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Underage will come to LIT just like naked women appeared on Masterpiece Theater before there was a Playboy Channel.

The first movie my wife and I saw together was SUMMER OF 42 about a war widow and a high school boy. Underage. The horror of underage came along in the 70s, before then it was common.

 

[OmnislashXX]

I mean, like I've said before. Chapter one of my novel got rejected even when the underage character wasn't directly ( or ever would be) involved with the hanky panky. You can judge for yourself I guess.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/voyeur/mr-b-chapter-one-driving-home.aspx

I won't say anything more cuz people will just get pissed off at me.

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

Underage will come to LIT just like naked women appeared on Masterpiece Theater before there was a Playboy Channel.

The first movie my wife and I saw together was SUMMER OF 42 about a war widow and a high school boy. Underage. The horror of underage came along in the 70s, before then it was common.

That is one of my favorite movies! I was just listening to the theme music the other day.

I had 8 kids, 6 were girls, breasts do not bud at 18, or 16, it's years before that. Try like 9-12.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

That is one of my favorite movies! I was just listening to the theme music the other day.

I had 8 kids, 6 were girls, breasts do not bud at 18, or 16, it's years before that. Try like 9-12.

Since the 70s we try to keep our kids little. When a college kid is really 12 we feel younger. At 18 I was in Vietnam, today I'd be looking for my first boy bra.

 

[Kantarii]

I just read a thread where it seems a person's story was rejected for the word 'prepubescent'. I have no qualm with this, it certainly smacks of underage.

In that thread of course people are stressing how the site has such a hard rule on under age.

Yet...let's talk about budding breasts. Now, I'm obviously not female, but raised two daughters and of course were around all their friends at every stage of their lives. Breasts do not bud at 18. In fact unless a girl is a late bloomer they're 'budding' before 16 but that I would leave the ladies here to be experts on.

Fact is Budding breasts denotes heavy underage. An 18 year old girl can have small perky tits. She can have 'luscious little titties;' she can be flat chested whatever. Many women are smaller breasted and there are plenty of ways to say it and give the image of what in porn would be referred to a 'barely legal' and many of us have seen 'teen' porn vids where some of these girls look disturbingly young, but we assume they are 18 or everyone involved is going to jail.

So there are plenty of men with the fantasy of girls who are 18 but may appear younger and 'budding breasts' is aimed at them. The crowd this site says they don't want. I know the site and author has no control over how a reader perceives a story. An author can say 19 and have the person act fairly mature, but a reader may still want them to be younger for their own taste. That's fine, they are choosing that interpretation.

Budding breasts leaves no doubt. None whatsoever that this author is trying to describe a girl who is well under eighteen. Want some interesting reading on this? Simple do a search for puberty or go to web md or anywhere else with developmental information.

Budding is a well, hell its close to prepubescent!

So my point is this is an underage term and no story should be getting through with it in there. The site could nail the word in the other thread they should be able to nail this.

My point here is simple. If we have such a staunch rule then why is this all over the site? People here who question the rule at times are treated nothing short of belligerently, like they are child molesters for wondering if they can stick a 16 year old in a story looking at a naked woman.

Examples below.

Having raised a daughter myself, I know for a fact her breasts weren't budding at age 16 ( her current age) they were budding around age 13/14. So I'm with you on the fact the term screams of underage.

For the life of me, I can't understand why 2-3 years makes all the fucking difference to some authors on a story they want to post on the site. I know I have zero interest in reading a story that borderlines the underage theme or hangs at the barely legal lines. I don't even care for that shit in porn videos.
Kant

 

[DwellerDark]

Okay, "budding breasts" is most likely going to mean an underage girl, unless she has some kind of hormonal disorder.

But "budding sexuality"? I feel like that's not necessarily tied into the age of a person but can be affected by culture, or the amount that a person might be sheltered from such things during their upbringing. I'm sure, realistically, there are 18 year old girls who have gotten out from under the influence of their strict parents for the first time and their sexuality might now be budding.

I wrote a story last year about a girl who had been home-schooled by protective parents and a particularly strict father, and so even though she was 20 she was just experiencing a sort of sexual awakening that in other cultures may have occurred earlier. And because I've had some connection to that home-school culture I know that this is not unrealistic.

 

[CoffeeWithMonkeys]

Okay, "budding breasts" is most likely going to mean an underage girl, unless she has some kind of hormonal disorder.

But "budding sexuality"? I feel like that's not necessarily tied into the age of a person but can be affected by culture, or the amount that a person might be sheltered from such things during their upbringing. I'm sure, realistically, there are 18 year old girls who have gotten out from under the influence of their strict parents for the first time and their sexuality might now be budding.

I wrote a story last year about a girl who had been home-schooled by protective parents and a particularly strict father, and so even though she was 20 she was just experiencing a sort of sexual awakening that in other cultures may have occurred earlier. And because I've had some connection to that home-school culture I know that this is not unrealistic.

I agree on both accounts.

 

[Tigersman]

As a retired nurse, I can tell you that girls are getting "budding breasts" as early as age 8. Thanks to all the growth hormones we have been feeding the cattle, hogs, chickens and turkeys, our children are starting puberty as early as age eight. Even some of our male children are showing signs of breast growth which does not go away with age. I've seen males over thirty who had as much breast tissue as some females and it was not due to implants or their receiving hormone therapy.

 

[Learin]

I think being an adult means more than just turning eighteen. I associate it with maturity and being able to differentiate good from the bad. A mentally-independent individual who doesn't require supervision and is capable of making decisions by herself. I've seen my share of man-childs and don't think they deserve to be called adults at all. Some stories have barely eighteen year old teenagers being more mature about a situation than a bunch of twenty year olds.

Back to real world, it's not possible for any moderator to read every damn story and provide a subjective decision that's based solely on his/her judgement of what's "adult". And anything that's based on a subjective decision always comes under fire (*cough* noncon stories *cough*). Hence the arbitrary rule of being eighteen to have sex and not getting called underage is better from a blanket moderation POV. It's easier and less hassle.

So, to me, an anatomical feature such as "budding breasts" is a secondary concern to the mental age that the author is trying to convey.

BTW, my twin had bigger boobs than me at fifteen. Mine started somewhere around late seventeens. My friend's boobs started "budding" around her twenties. Hormonal action can vary from person to person.

Just saying.

 

[sr71plt]

The moderators aren't part of the story selection process here. There's one submissions editor. Only one. Laurel.

 

[Sammael Bard]

She's talking about erotica website moderators in general.

I think.

 

[Hypoxia]

I've written more than a few stories with young people. I've never used "budding breasts" or "just growing pubes", never tried to depict a fucker as underage. If anything, I write them as too emotionally mature. I have no interest in depicting adolescent sexuality. I'm probably not realistic. Do I write of slender, almost titless women? Yes, but they're adults. My characters are mostly based on real people who come in all shapes and sizes. It's LIT so they tend to be sexy and desirable. But they're not kids.

Stories depicting underage sex are welcome on other sites. Stories REPORTING it can work here.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Having raised a daughter myself, I know for a fact her breasts weren't budding at age 16 ( her current age) they were budding around age 13/14. So I'm with you on the fact the term screams of underage.

For the life of me, I can't understand why 2-3 years makes all the fucking difference to some authors on a story they want to post on the site. I know I have zero interest in reading a story that borderlines the underage theme or hangs at the barely legal lines. I don't even care for that shit in porn videos.
Kant

But there is a growing cabal out there that cannot think about anything but young girls and boys. And once you let one story on the sight, others will follow and soon you have a group of sick, deranged people lapping up and posting such stories all over the place.

They may try and sneak just a little thing by and if they do, they tell all their sick friends about it and then there's a rush of stories about children listening to their parents having sex. Bye-bye Literotica as we know it.

 

[OmnislashXX]

Here's the thing and it's why this will always be a subject of debate:

Age 18 - Black and white. A person is 17 one day and 18 the next. They're either legally able to have sex or not.

When a person is physically and emotionally ready for sex- Gray area. It differs amongst most people, as evidenced in this thread.

So it stands to reason that people might be interested in writing about a character who may be emotionally and physically ready to have sex but not have turned 18 yet. It happens in real life, like it or not.

Really though, there is a thin line between wanting to write about sexual maturity and coming of age stories. Any storyline like that shouldn't really be considered Erotica. When it goes in that direction, then that's where it flows more into child pornography.

It's not within anyone here though to automatically jump to assumptions and judge others when this subject comes up. Everyone has their own kinky fantasies, which is why I assume authors/readers come here. The only person who has any official say in it is Lusty Laurel Literotica.

 

[TxRad]

Simple solution. Stay out of the gray area. If you know it is gray then you are trying to bend the rules. As simple as that or don't try posting it here.

 

[oggbashan]

Here's the thing and it's why this will always be a subject of debate:

Age 18 - Black and white. A person is 17 one day and 18 the next. They're either legally able to have sex or not.

When a person is physically and emotionally ready for sex- Gray area. It differs amongst most people, as evidenced in this thread.

...

The law is irrelevant. In the UK the legal age is 16 but I won't write stories for Literotica that feature sex under age 18. Why not?

Because 18 is Literotica's rule. I could write stories about 16 year olds and be legal in the UK but I wouldn't post them here.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

WTF!

As so many have said in prior posts, 18, it's 18 to be near, around, involved, able to hear, able to see, able to even think about any type of description, action, etc. about sex.

No. Sex. Before. 18. PERIOD.

You want to write about underage sex go to ASSTR otherwise follow the fucking rules.

 

[OmnislashXX]

WTF!

As so many have said in prior posts, 18, it's 18 to be near, around, involved, able to hear, able to see, able to even think about any type of description, action, etc. about sex.

No. Sex. Before. 18. PERIOD.

You want to write about underage sex go to ASSTR otherwise follow the fucking rules.

Nobody is really disputing that dude. We all know the rules ( At least pertaining to this site.) You can bold your text, make it 50X larger, Break your keyboard while pressing the keys, etc.

We know.

That still doesn't change anything.