An End to Evil

Should the US, esp. abroad, go for an end to evil?

  • Yes, all out, that's what God wants

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • Yes, but a little more cautiously than GWB

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • I'd like to see less evil, but don't see how

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • That's silly; there will always be the same amt of evil.

    Votes: 3 20.0%
  • No, it's best if 'evil' spreads, to hell with the moral crusade

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .

Pure

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An End to Evil, ... should US go for it?

Neo conservative foreign policy.

'An End to Evil': {by Frum and Perle}

{{Added 2-14: Further Zakaria review excerpts and Ch 1, Perl and Frum excerpts at the "intelligence doesn't work..." thread

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=7512853#post7512853 }}


Showing Them Who's Boss
By FAREED ZAKARIA

Published: February 8, 2004, NY Times:


Before Sept. 11, 2001, it would have been difficult to speak meaningfully about a ''neoconservative foreign policy.'' While there was a group of intellectuals and policy experts who were identified -- sometimes self-identified -- by the neoconservative label, they did not agree on foreign policy. Today a cardinal feature of neoconservative foreign policy is the aggressive use of American power to dislodge dictators and promote democracy.
[...]
Sept. 11 changed all that. It is now possible to describe a neoconservative foreign policy, and David Frum and Richard Perle's new book, ''An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror,'' is a useful guide to it. There have been many books written by neoconservatives on aspects of the war on terror, but because of the identity of the authors, the scope of the book and the vigor of argumentation, this one deserves special attention.

Perle, a colorful and controversial official in the Reagan administration -- nicknamed the Prince of Darkness -- has been enjoying a revival of fame since 9/11, because he is widely seen as a proxy for key members of the Bush administration. Frum, a former Bush speechwriter, is the author of a bestselling White House memoir[....]

The central substantive argument of ''An End to Evil'' is that the war on terror has only begun, that Islamic militants are dead set against the United States and will try to cripple it by any means possible. The authors see the war as an endeavor of decades that will require strenuous efforts on three fronts -- at home, abroad and in the world of ideas.

On the home front, they make a series of suggestions, ranging from tougher evaluations of visa applications to the creation of a national identity card to close monitoring of American organizations that, while masquerading as mainstream Islamic groups, in fact provide aid to terror organizations. Beyond our borders, the authors propose tackling the five regimes that have been most closely connected to terrorism -- North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya and Saudi Arabia. The basic thrust of their argument is that the United States should get tough with these countries.

On the ideological front, Frum and Perle urge a battle against radical Islam, support for moderate Muslims and, in particular, the promotion of women's rights. They urge zero tolerance for the Saudi export of fundamentalism, and propose financing progressive and modern Islamic education as an alternative to madrassas. Above all, they want to make a success of Iraqi democracy. [end]
 
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Pure said:
On the ideological front, Frum and Perle urge a battle against radical Islam, support for moderate Muslims and, in particular, the promotion of women's rights.

That last one will be a tough sell among the core target audience - unless they mean to promote our right to show some skin.
 
Ummmm, have you ever noticed?

Have you ever noticed that those who speak the loudest about our freedoms are the ones who mostwant to take away our freedoms? Let's take this one step at a time shall we?
A national I.D. Card.
I have been following this debate since it began, and it wasn't after 9-11. This started in the early seventies, it's just that after 9-11 they have gained a following. According to what I have read these people want to creat a national I.D. card with a smart chip included. This chip would contain our I.D., which would be at the very least ourfinger prints and at the most our Retinal Scans and D.N.A.. It would also include our Medical History, as well as our legal history and Financial History. These would also be tied into the banks so we could use them as Credit or Debit Cards.
Sounds good doesn't it? We would be able to lose those half dozen other cards in our wallets. Our Drivers Liscences, our A.T.M. Cards, our Credit Cards, as well as our Health Insurance Cards. Yep, we could also lose the Car Insurance Cards we have to carry in some states. Sounds great doesn't it? We could thin out our wallets by about three quarters. Now here's the bad news on this one.
Any one with a reader would be able to access this information. You go to a restaraunt and have dinner and pay with your card. The waiter there now knows what you drive, if you've had any illnesses, and if you have ever been arrested. The Cop on the beat who pulled you over and scans your card see's that you have been late paying your phone bill. Oops, I'll have to watch you. You8 flash your I.D. to get into work at that very prestigeouse Law Firm or Bank you work at, and they see that you've been submitting stories to that sexualy subversive site called Literotica.:mad: Well you're sexualy repressed boss doesn't like that now does she?
You go and buy a book on Ammonia because your fish tank reads high on it and you want to know what to do about it. The BookStore where you buy it notices that two years ago you bought a book on Nitrate Fertilizers for your lawn. Oops, the police are called in to investigate this because we all know that Nitrates and Ammonia mixed correctly can make a bomb. Are we getting a picture here?
Do I sound paranoid? Maybe but I have studied history and I know the Untied States. Do we react rationaly? do you know about Prohibition and the Temperance Movement? (Oh that can't happen now, or can it?)
In many states the owning of firearms is left to individual Police Chiefs. These are voted in and follow what the very vocal minority wants. In Massachussetts it is almost impossible to get a concealed carry permit, even if you can prove that you need one. The same in New York City and many other areas. In Mass. they are now trying to limit the number of people who can even own firearms. (Hell you have to pass a permiting process to be allowed to carry such things as Mace.)
We are not so slowly being forced to allow the state to tell not only what we can and cannot do, but we are even allowing them to tell us we can't protect ourselves. The "State" is telling us how to live our lives more and more. It is up to us to stop this and get our free will back in our hands, not the hands of those who think they know best and are willing to take away our rights and freedoms to prove it to us.
Once again I must appologise for climbing onto my soapbox, but I have bled for my rights, unlike many of these pantywaste, yellow politicians.

SeaCat
 
Re: Ummmm, have you ever noticed?

SeaCat said:
Have you ever noticed that those who speak the loudest about our freedoms are the ones who mostwant to take away our freedoms? Let's take this one step at a time shall we?
A national I.D. Card.
Some years ago there was a debate in Europe on an EU-wide identity card. I was involved in the technical discussions on it.
I pointed out that the card could be cheap and would then be easily forged.
The card could be made very difficult (but never impossible) to forge but that would be very expensive (upwards of $100 each at today's prices).
Even if it were effectively unforgeable by criminals, they would, nevertheless, acquire fake ones, because it is impossible to protect the issuing department staff well enough to prevent the issue of valid, but false cards through suborned officials.

My expressed conclusion was that the only useful purpose of Identity Cards was for an unscrupulous government to keep track of honest citizens. And let us not forget that there are people still alive today who voted in a democratically elected government in a major European country which decided that being born Jewish was an offence for which the death penalty could be, and frequently was imposed.

Edited to add
It was at that point that the German delegation withdrew from the meeting.
 
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Eeehhmm... you DO know that there are a lot of people who asociate "evil" with YOU, right?:(
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Eeehhmm... you DO know that there are a lot of people who asociate "evil" with YOU, right?:(

Svenskaflicka is right. The US (and the UK as the US's 'running dogs') are seen as 'evil' in many parts of the world.

In the US many people see the members of Literotica as 'evil'.

So "An End to Evil" could mean an end to us.

Jeanne
 
jeanne_d_artois said:
Svenskaflicka is right. The US (and the UK as the US's 'running dogs') are seen as 'evil' in many parts of the world.

In the US many people see the members of Literotica as 'evil'.

So "An End to Evil" could mean an end to us.

Jeanne

And here I thought 'Flicka meant Pure...


:D

(Just kidding. Truly. It's one of those, 'I just couldn't help myself,' moments. Nothing personal.)

- Mindy

PS to Jeanne - How's part two of Pantomime Dwarf coming along? :D
 
I am in full agreement that there will never be "An end to evil".

There will always be some one who will supply an evil to rail against.

Examples: The religious fundamentalist and anyone of any other religion, any politician and his opponent, the list is practically endless. So long as there are two entities with different opinions there will be "evil".

Universal education of everyone capable of learning would not eliminate evil, as the uneducatable would then define education as evil.

The best we can do is eliminate those who demonstrate a total disdain for the rights of others; the Hitlers, Sadams, Daumers, and others of a like lack of "MORALS". (furnish your personal definition.)
 
Svenskaflicka said:
Can we please have ONE thread that doesn't end up with us discussing Tony Blair?:rolleyes:

:D

Thanks for the first laugh of the morning, 'Flicka.
 
You're welcome! *takes a bow*

(Morning? I'm about to take a break and have some afternoon coffee! It's 2.20pm here.)
 
Svenskaflicka said:
At 6.20 am, I'm not jealous, I'm unconscious.

Lucky...<g> I'm just getting home from work and readying the kids for school and then settling down for a few hours of watching the nonschool kids, avoiding housework, and dropping in on my email, list groups, and you wonderful folks 'round here.

<pause>
<yawn>
Eventually, I'll get my routine ironed out enough to fit some writing in too...<g>
 
Dull Morning All!

Am suffering through the 3,517,936th showing of Sleeping Beauty here. Wish I was anywhere else.

~lucky

Once Upon A Dream
 
UPDATE FEB 14


Only 3 of 12 support active measures against evil

So it appears the rest are not only traitors** to their country (or supporters of one like Kerry), but traitors to God and morality.

At best, these 9 of 12 are fellow travellers and goddamned passivists in the face of EVIL



**or haters of American success and values, like the pansy cheese eaters in France

:confused:
 
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How would "The Man from Mars" define 'Evil'?

'Evil' depends on the viewpoint for most people.

Og
 
Evil is what God says it is, through His Book, and to His People, you fuckin' perv.

:D
 
Pure said:
Evil is what God says it is, through His Book, and to His People, you fuckin' perv.

:D

So when do His People start throwing stones at all us Evil ones in Literotica? Should they have thrown stones at Solomon? At David?
Is refraining from stone throwing aiding and abetting Evil?

Blessed are the Meek - they don't throw stones.
;)

Og (who is dead so doesn't care if anyone throws stones)
 
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