American Suicide? Read on.......

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Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration
overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many
of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by
the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book,
"Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was
destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across
the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave
a stunning speech on how to destroy America . The audience sat spellbound
as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States .
He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too
rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in
history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all
great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would
show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America , turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History
shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of
two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an
individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be
bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The
histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate
are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada , Belgium ,
Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus
have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces
difficult times with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America , "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of
belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural
differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic
dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the
majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much
effort The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of
our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved
not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated
ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would
encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would
replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is
important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in
America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing
their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and
business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic
identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all
minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the
majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure
on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and
promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would
stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are
mostly engaged in hating each other- that is, when they are not killing
each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most
historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a
nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the
Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all
these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions.
Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- from many, one. In that historical !
reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'Pluribus'
instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and
debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read
that book"

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is
being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our
educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that
practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate
'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as
corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and
other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is
reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans
are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom
is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.




This joke of a bill they're trying to pass off on us adds fuel to the fire.
 
DevilishTexan said:
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare
the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his
thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration
overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many
of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by
the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book,
"Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was
destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across
the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave
a stunning speech on how to destroy America . The audience sat spellbound
as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States .
He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too
rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in
history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all
great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would
show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America , turn
America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History
shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of
two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an
individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be
bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The
histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate
are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada , Belgium ,
Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus
have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces
difficult times with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America , "Invent 'multiculturalism' and
encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of
belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural
differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic
dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the
majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much
effort The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin
Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of
our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved
not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated
ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only
tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would
encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would
replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is
important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in
America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing
their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least
educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated,
and antagonistic to our population I would have this second underclass
have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and
business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic
identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all
minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the
majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure
on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and
promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would
stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are
mostly engaged in hating each other- that is, when they are not killing
each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most
historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a
nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and
literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the
Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all
these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions.
Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- from many, one. In that historical !
reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'Pluribus'
instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to
talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word
similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and
paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and
debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having
established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has
been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound
silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson
Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to
destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read
that book"

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud
above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew
that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly,
darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is
being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our
educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that
practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate
'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as
corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and
other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is
reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans
are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom
is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.




This joke of a bill they're trying to pass off on us adds fuel to the fire.

uh huh
 
What if that's just the natural course of an empire - a sort of national entropy? If that's just the way of things - then is there really anything that can be done about it?
 
BenWyler said:
What if that's just the natural course of an empire - a sort of national entropy? If that's just the way of things - then is there really anything that can be done about it?

Allowing somebody that wants to destroy your whole way of life and to completely destroy your country have a position of power is a natural course of an empire?
 
DevilishTexan said:
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the pants off you!

A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.
How would it do that?

History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures.
We already have many different languages and cultures and have done so since 1776. Lots of other countries have something like this too, to a smaller extent.

encourage immigrants to maintain their culture.
We don't. We tolerate their own maintenance of their own culture.

[More bullshit etc.]
Cool.
 
I see the same thing happening here in Canada too. I would like to know how to stop this.
Any suggestions?
 
Retrieval said:
Allowing somebody that wants to destroy your whole way of life and to completely destroy your country have a position of power is a natural course of an empire?

Yeah but, those things listed - they're not policies put in place by a government, they're just how things have worked out - you can't trace every single one back to a single evil mastermind. No one evil man set out to turn America into a bilingual country, no single entity pushed multiculturalism on the people, or decided to celebrate diversity. Those weren't ideas forced on the white english melting-pot public against their will - as far as I recall I don't remember too many anti-diversity demonstrations or anti-multiculturalism rallies. This isn't a question of "allowing somebody" - it's a matter of a myriad of small changes in a vast and sweeping society that will undoubtedly change it irrevocably. And yes - the country you know, or thought you knew in terms of the sort of late fifties American Dream type America - yes, that will disappear - but not because of the actions of one man, nor because of the inactions of another - perhaps this is just what happens when one nation has it so very good.

I'm not saying it should or agreeing that it should be stopped either, I really have no interest either way - but as an observer I think it's interesting to note that this was not a "planned destruction" - if it is a destruction - it is simply one that is happening of its own volition at its own rate - like erosion or tectonic shifts.
 
Ben- if you don't think it's a planned destruction, I'd disagree with you. Aztlan, the radical La Raza (literally "the race") and MECHA are all openly clamoring for the downfall of the USA.

It is an invasion.

Without firing a shot, it is the largest demographic transformation IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD as we know it.

To chalk it up to some happy accident, or as some natural state of societal entropy ignores the true root causes and contributing factors and politics that go along with it and enable it to continue as it does today.
 
Slider69 said:
Ben- if you don't think it's a planned destruction, I'd disagree with you. Aztlan, the radical La Raza (literally "the race") and MECHA are all openly clamoring for the downfall of the USA.

It is an invasion.

Without firing a shot, it is the largest demographic transformation IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD as we know it.

To chalk it up to some happy accident, or as some natural state of societal entropy ignores the true root causes and contributing factors and politics that go along with it and enable it to continue as it does today.


Sure - they're all clamoring for it - but do you actually think they alone are responsible for all the things in the list? I doubt it. I'm sure they're happy to see it - but it's far too much over far too long a time period for them to be responsible.


I do have to say though - I bet the native Americans are finding this hilarious.
 
MechaBlade said:
We survived the Irish, Italians and Slavs. I think we'll be alright.

But these people are brown, so just take a machine gun and mow them all down. America will be pure once again. :rolleyes:
 
MechaBlade said:
We survived the Irish, Italians and Slavs. I think we'll be alright.

Big difference- those groups assimilated and became Americans. This invasion is marked by a total refusal to assimilate and a demand for rights they are not entitled to receive.


BenWyler said:
Sure - they're all clamoring for it - but do you actually think they alone are responsible for all the things in the list? I doubt it. I'm sure they're happy to see it - but it's far too much over far too long a time period for them to be responsible.

No, they're not solely responsible...they are aided and abetted by Jorge Bush and the One Worlders who would abdicate our sovereignty for the sake of cheap labor.

Bush should be impeached and tried for treason outright for his actions with respect to illegal immigration and his total abject failure to protect the people of this country, ensure national security or secure the border.
 
MechaBlade said:
We survived the Irish, Italians and Slavs. I think we'll be alright.
I dont recall those groups flying planes into buildings or sending their citizens off to blow up strangers with C4.
 
And looking at it as a natural course of societal entropy doesn't mean I'm discounting the causes - I'm just saying that in a nation as diverse and vast and populated at the U.S. is - perhaps this is something inevitable. All complex systems tend to decay, and there are few things more complex than a nation founded on the principals of freedom for all and majority rule. Any group of 300+ million people being governed under such principals cannot honestly hope to remain the same as it was in its infancy.

Your desire, and the desire of many like you, to stand against such change is as equally natural as the change itself. But, as history and biology teach us, it is the ability to adapt to change - to seek new opportunity within the inevitable that ensures a species survival.

I think it's clear to many that America is too far gone to return to some bucolic Rockwellian nation - there is a new reality, a reality in which the majority may not be the same colour as the founding fathers, or speak the same language - but it is a new reality all the same. Short of mass genocide, or some kind of ethnic cleansing - you are facing a nation which is heading for a majority or minorities - and there is nothing you can do to stop that. The question facing Americans is how to adapt to that reality and best survive within it.
 
BenWyler said:
And looking at it as a natural course of societal entropy doesn't mean I'm discounting the causes - I'm just saying that in a nation as diverse and vast and populated at the U.S. is - perhaps this is something inevitable. All complex systems tend to decay, and there are few things more complex than a nation founded on the principals of freedom for all and majority rule. Any group of 300+ million people being governed under such principals cannot honestly hope to remain the same as it was in its infancy.

Aha! But that's where the glory of the United States of America truly lies....not in the diversity, but in the values that unite us. It is those values, the common ideals upon which we were founded, that are being summarily destroyed from enemies foreign and domestic.

Complexity notwithstanding, it's a matter of simplicity in reality. But there is no longer any accountability or push for E Pluribus Unum anymore.

Your desire, and the desire of many like you, to stand against such change is as equally natural as the change itself. But, as history and biology teach us, it is the ability to adapt to change - to seek new opportunity within the inevitable that ensures a species survival.

I don't know if you're making an oddly profound and morbidly humorous point intentionally, but the species will survive--breeding by the invaders will see to that.

Short of mass genocide, or some kind of ethnic cleansing - you are facing a nation which is heading for a majority or minorities - and there is nothing you can do to stop that. The question facing Americans is how to adapt to that reality and best survive within it.

Yeah, you actually can stop it. Deportation would be a nice start. And a more restrictive immigration policy that seeks the best and brightest. There is such a thing as a good and bad immigrant. But in today's world, to even say that gets one branded a bigot, racist, blah, blah, blah...

If Hitler could round up 4 million plus Jews, who had largely assimilated in a decade, we should sure as hell be able to send back 3 times that many since they predominantly stick out like a sore thumb.
 
Joaquin1975 said:
But these people are brown, so just take a machine gun and mow them all down. America will be pure once again. :rolleyes:
Oh I forgot. Goddamn brownies.

Slider69 said:
Big difference- those groups assimilated and became Americans. This invasion is marked by a total refusal to assimilate and a demand for rights they are not entitled to receive.
Latinos are doing the same. They work and go to school. Maybe they are entitled to the rights of US citizens.


DV81 said:
I dont recall those groups flying planes into buildings or sending their citizens off to blow up strangers with C4.
Which of the hijackers was Latino? I forget. Humor me.
 
MechaBlade said:
Which of the hijackers was Latino? I forget. Humor me.
the hijackers were from the middle east, hence the hatred towards those from that area. Try to follow.
 
You don't really need immigrants to split up America - I mean there has already been one civil war. That couldn't have been all the Mexican's fault too. Or could it?
 
MechaBlade said:
Latinos are doing the same. They work and go to school. Maybe they are entitled to the rights of US citizens.

In the context of the illegals, yeah, they're going to schools-- they're not paying for. Demanding bilingual education besides.

Working to send remittances back to Mexico that now form their second largest source of income, whilst depriving this country of the economic stimulus in the process.

They're not ENTITLED to anything but a one way ticket back, a total severance from any and all aid, and they can't have rights as Americans. Especially when their first act is to come here illegally and they will not accept the responsibilities of Americans.

C'mon Mecha....we can play this game all night long. Illegals aren't assimilating. They're boldly demanding things that aren't theirs.
 
DV81 said:
the hijackers were from the middle east, hence the hatred towards those from that area. Try to follow.
Did you even read the first post, or did you get lost while posting in another thread?

DevilishTexan said:
immigration overpopulation conference

[...] "Mexifornia,"

[...]"First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country."

[...]the Black and Hispanic dropout rates

[...]'Hispanic Quebec '

[...]take note of California
This is obviously talking about illegal/legal immigrants from Latin America.
 
MechaBlade said:
Did you even read the first post, or did you get lost while posting in another thread?


This is obviously talking about illegal/legal immigrants from Latin America.
going to address the topic or continue being obtuse?
 
Slider69 said:
In the context of the illegals, yeah, they're going to schools-- they're not paying for. Demanding bilingual education besides.

Working to send remittances back to Mexico that now form their second largest source of income, whilst depriving this country of the economic stimulus in the process.

They're not ENTITLED to anything but a one way ticket back, a total severance from any and all aid, and they can't have rights as Americans. Especially when their first act is to come here illegally and they will not accept the responsibilities of Americans.

C'mon Mecha....we can play this game all night long. Illegals aren't assimilating. They're boldly demanding things that aren't theirs.
They're not paying for them because they're not legal. I don't think there's a large demand for bilingual education. Immigrants want their kids to learn English and they do. I know a couple Latino kids that don't even know Spanish.

Of course the rights aren't theirs. Because we won't give them the rights. All they want is citizenship. Why should we deny citizenship to anyone who's willing to work and abide by our laws (not the naturalization ones, of course, but the important ones)?

Illegals are assimilating to the best of their ability, otherwise they know they'd get sent back.
 
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