America: The new Socialist frontier

[TalkRadio1]

The 2018 Democratic victory in the midterms brought new Marxist arrivals to the House of Representatives who are interpreting the elections as an endorsement of socialist policies. They dropped all the pretenses — no liberals, no progressives — they are proud Marxist-Leninists driven by the ideology and committed to converting this country into the United Socialist States of America.

This militant crowd is comprised of uninformed and misinformed people looking at themselves as unfortunate, underpaid, underappreciated victims of capitalism, overwhelmed with jealousy that there are people who are everything they are not.

The Democratic Party explicitly casts itself as an inheritor of Marxism. The Democrats’ demands are almost total inversion of the Constitutional arrangements and traditional American values. The economic redistribution, open borders, repeal of the Second Amendment, the abolition of the Electoral College, the election of a president by popular vote, voting rights and free health care to illegal aliens are just part of the comprehensive strategy of putting the harness of socialism around the necks of the American people.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/425970-america-the-new-socialist-frontier

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Democrats’ demands are almost total inversion of the Constitutional arrangements and traditional American values.

I love that NONE of them seem to understand that either.

Some even think the USA was founded to be the collectivist utopia, from Kirk to Cowslinger.

 

[coati]

Well, there is Marx, and then there is Stalin.

So, while one American party is moving toward a Marxist concept of reducing gross income disparity via popular vote, the other party is adopting the centralized power concepts of Stalin and Putin via suppression of popular vote and media expression.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, there is Marx, and then there is Stalin.

So, while one American party is moving toward a Marxist concept of reducing gross income disparity via popular vote, the other party is adopting the centralized power concepts of Stalin and Putin via suppression of popular vote and media expression.

Can't separate the two.

You can't get rid of the income disparity without the authoritarian/totalitarian government control.

 

[jp55665566]

mirage of socialism in the U.S.

Without southern California and NYC... The U.S. is a completely different place. Generous, but not socialist, and not fools. The socialist vision will evaporate to a mist if we can end the fake news MSM and continue to MAGA by winning (not bending over for the United Nations).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Without southern California and NYC... The U.S. is a completely different place. Generous, but not socialist, and not fools. The socialist vision will evaporate to a mist if we can end the fake news MSM and continue to MAGA by winning (not bending over for the United Nations).

Just without California....the US would snap dramatically back to the center.

 

[Liar]

I have nothing to add here, just wanted to share the deep thoughts of renowned political philosopher Jeffrey Bruce Atkins.

 

[coati]

Can't separate the two.

You can't get rid of the income disparity without the authoritarian/totalitarian government control.

Stalinism/Putinism relies much more on authoritarian/totalitarian government control than educational and health care opportunities that are approved by popular vote.

In our own country, now being led by someone who looks up to authoritarian world leaders like Putin, policies are being put into place without the backing of the majority of voters. The press is being called the enemy of the people. Voter suppression is being encouraged.

 

[Oblimo]

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We should really just disengage with the "any socialism is Marxism and badwrong" broflakes. They are either just trolls, rubes of Right Wing talk radio, or idiots.

 

[IG_88]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/425970-america-the-new-socialist-frontier

You can't believe in our system of government and also denounce what the people choose. Obviously the majority wanted the folks who are in congress and since that's the American way then there's nothing to bitch about. I mean unless you're un-American.

 

[someoneyouknow]

I love that NONE of them seem to understand that either.

Some even think the USA was founded to be the collectivist utopia, from Kirk to Cowslinger.

Sort of like how Christians believe they shouldn't have to follow the laws of the land or that this is a Christian nation despite the Constitution explicitly saying otherwise.

 

[Hal9000_]

It's crazy that certain people want to roll back all the gains that have been hard fought for and gained in labor, education, consumer protections, and scientific advancements due to institutional funding.

They like their nuclear power, their medications that were developed by the NIH, and their social security checks, but don't want to contribute.

 

[someoneyouknow]

It's crazy that certain people want to roll back all the gains that have been hard fought for and gained in labor, education, consumer protections, and scientific advancements due to institutional funding.

They like their nuclear power, their medications that were developed by the NIH, and their social security checks, but don't want to contribute.

Might as well include the internet, though that may fall under scientific advancements.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Stalinism/Putinism relies much more on authoritarian/totalitarian government control than educational and health care opportunities that are approved by popular vote.

IF you were to tax for these things equitably (not progressively) and provide those things as a civil service without all of the market controls you could argue that.

But the left/(D)'s aren't about that, they want wealth redistribution and the control over the economy needed to pay for it.

Which clearly works in some cases...but it's still highly antithetical to traditional western liberal political values the US was founded upon.

Thus a lot of the internal conflict.

In our own country, now being led by someone who looks up to authoritarian world leaders like Putin, policies are being put into place without the backing of the majority of voters.

Such as?

The press is being called the enemy of the people.

Well...to be fair they haven't been doing themselves any favors.

Voter suppression is being encouraged.

If those people have a problem with it they should get out and vote.

That's an unavoidable responsibility of democracy.....you get what you vote for.

 

[coati]

If those people have a problem with it they should get out and vote.

That's an unavoidable responsibility of democracy.....you get what you vote for.

They did vote. That is why the Democrats picked up 40 seats in the House and crushed the overall popular vote in both the House elections and the Senate elections.

The majority of people in America are rejecting the authoritarian/totalitarianism of Putin and Trump. Here in Arizona, we elected the first Democratic Secretary of State in a very long time. Got tired of 2-hour waits at the polls in the poorer districts.

It takes strong authoritarian rule to maintain gross economic inequality, and that is why voter suppression is so key to Repugnican policy. We voted. We elected people who are less likely to suppress the vote.

Not rocket science.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sort of like how Christians believe they shouldn't have to follow the laws of the land or that this is a Christian nation despite the Constitution explicitly saying otherwise.

Are you talking about something specific??

Or is this just a TDS deflection/freak out??

It's crazy that certain people want to roll back all the gains that have been hard fought for and gained in labor, education, consumer protections, and scientific advancements due to institutional funding.

They like their nuclear power, their medications that were developed by the NIH, and their social security checks, but don't want to contribute.

Not roll back.....just get under control.

It's be a lot harder to argue against the spending if people were getting their dollars worth out of it.

But they aren't.

It's just bullet trains to nowhere, every time the government touches HC the costs skyrocket and service gets worse and schools so dumbed down and markets so nerfed we gotta import kids from India, Korea and Japan to keep our shit show rolling.

What the fuck......

Why should we be forced to have to pay astronomical amount of money for all that terrible dog shit service??

More funding is OBVIOUSLY not the answer.

Time to try something NEW progressives.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They did vote. That is why the Democrats picked up 40 seats in the House and crushed the overall popular vote in both the House elections and the Senate elections.

Exactly....question is will you guys get them to push your agendas or will you take whatever shit they throw in your face and worship them for it like with Obamacare?

The majority of people in America are rejecting the authoritarian/totalitarianism of Putin and Trump.

There has been not any sort of totalitarianism of Trump or Putin in the USA.

It takes strong authoritarian rule to maintain gross economic inequality, and that is why voter suppression is so key to Repugnican policy.

No, it doesn't....freedom and liberty are the only things needed for social/economic inequity to happen, because some people are better at the hustle than others.

It takes strong authoritarian rule to create economic/social equity.....that's why all the most brutal dictators in history are all socialist.

We elected people who are less likely to suppress the vote.

Not rocket science.

Considering they were the only ones actually caught subverting democracy in the last set of presidential primaries I don't think that's necessarily true.

I think in both parties there are but a handful of genuine civil servants left.

The other 99.5%? They are there to fill their pockets and the vile corruption runs deep in both.