America..tarnished, torn, yet still the shining beacon of hope

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As we settle down to our Fourth of July meals and festivities, let us reflect briefly upon the history of our country.

July 4th, 1776 a group of men committed the ultimate act, treason, against their homeland, against the crown of Britain. They committed thousands of souls to battles waged, in the ideals of freedom and democracy. They pledged their names into a document that would send the world spiraling, some writing small enough its almost illegible, some writing definatly large. All, though, pledging their desires into a cause larger than themselves.

Over the next few years, battles would rage on. Lives lost, and a world forever altered as it gave birth to a new nation, the United States of America. Help, of course, was given by the French, urged by their own desires to strike a blow at their arch-nemesis, England.

After the war, she would grow fast, yet, more pacifist, putting away the toys of war. Growing pains would be felt, as the nation learned to co-operate with each other. No later than the year of 1812 would a nation, yearning for recognition on a worldwide scale, enter war again. Her sailors oppressed by both the British and the French, she would yet again setout upon the path of war. Much is made of a war that perhaps, was lost. Yet, though, the spirit of Americans rose to heights. From that which was not a military, to the bringing of new ships, built to fight the mighty British Navy. Battles fought out at sea, legacies made, treason occured, and a symbol burnt to the ground.Yet, that symbol would be reborn into one that is known worldwide. To one that stands for truth, justice, freedom, and democracy.

Internal strife brought a country to its knees. Brother versus brother, father against son. Families torn, and yet, somehow brought back together. A man, larger than life, born with the purpose of healing the wounds of old, and renewing the hope of a bright future. A stovepipe hat and tall, gangly form burnt into history. An address made upon a historic battlefield, the turning point of a war, forged into the minds of all whom hear it "Four score and seven years ago, our forefathers wrought upon this land a great nation...".

In time, the nation healed itself, grew, settled its land. Yes, mistakes were made, but, all nations make their mistakes. Wars yet again fought, internally and externally. A figure of lore forged at the battle of San Juan hill. Immigration grew, and with it, new ideas, new customs, and hard working people dreaming of a better life. A copper statue symbolizing their hope, smiles spread as they drew close enough to read those immortal words "Give me your tired, your poor.."

And so she was, up till an archduke was assassinated. The clouds of war upon the horizon, countries across the Atlantic honored alliances and brought forth their armies to battle. New ways of war were raged, the horse giving way to the tank, terrible gas used. A nation yet again arose, sending forth her sons to battle. Democracy must be preserved, old slights forgiven, alliances formed solid as together nations fought to preserve their ways.

A peace treaty written, promises made, and a losing country plunged into deep debts and depression. Money lent to her by one of her defeaters, to pay the others off. Hope, and pacifism spread. Isolationism the word of the day. Then...the dust bowls, the crash of the stock market, the grip of depression. Soup lines formed, suffering, pain felt. From this, would rise a man crippled by polio, yet full of charisma and caring for the common man. Rarely allowing the public to view him in a wheelchair, his fireside chats something the public craved, and needed. His wisdom, that of one ahead of its time, yet, desperately needed.

And the clouds of war brewed again, this time in both the European continent and the Far East. Young men signed up and shipped off to China, forming a small group to go into legend as "The Flying Tigers", valiantly fighting for a people unknown to them beforehand. Yet, the public remained isolated from this, their taste for war bitter. They watched as the brave sons of Britain fought in the air, staving off the Blitzkrieg with Hurricanes and the elegant Spitfire. The old man saw the coming of war, desired to help, and waited. A surprise attack, the crippling of a fleet struck deep into the souls of the public. Rage simmered forth, war was called for. The men and women leapt to action. Rosie the Riveter made a name for herself, as would G.I. Joe. Engineers created marvels not seen before. The Flying Fortress took to the air, the Mustang and Corsair raced to battle, as the mighty Iowa class was constructed. The battleship, long known as the key to victory, handed over the crown to the aircraft carrier. Wildcats, Hellcats, and Corsairs took to flight off these mobile landing strips. Rangers leading the way in Europe, Marines toughing it out in the East. An unlikely alliance forged with the singular goal of the defeat of a man whom had twisted what was a symbol of peace into a symbol of hate.

And as the dust settled, the rebuilding began. A boom of children as war weary souls found love and settled into families. Yet, now, as defined as a superpower, this country would find itself in a new role. As a peacekeeper, and a fighter of communism. Crazed anger slipped through the nation under the guidance of a man simply known as McCarthy. Wars were renamed police actions, as the younger brothers of soldiers of the second world war were called away to an unknown country...Korea.

Again it would happen, this time one known as Vietnam. The now grown sons of those vets sought their own glory, only to be spit upon when they returned home. The country was torn, between war and peace. Two extremes refusing to exist in the same lands. Free love, crazy colors, drugs, battles, and drafting.

Eventually, she healed herself again, and slowly learned to accept her role. Always on call, her sons and soon daughters would see action in many other countries. Not always in the roles of battle, but in providing relief. Even today, when Indonesia was struck, C-130's were seen rolling down the strip.

Today, she is hated by many, some outside the country, some inside. Yet, her beacon of hope is still seen, by those willing to risk life and limb crossing oceans in rafts or leaping fences. And whilst her own news companies choose to report only the bad, and push images of GITMO, one should pause to remember the good. The smiling faces of young German children as the candy man parachuted goodies to them during their time of need. The rebuilding of a proud country of samurais. The food and medical supplies brought to war torn African countries and natural disaster victims. Yes, there is much to criticize, but one must ask oneself, is that country really as evil as many wish to have it viewed as? Honestly, I don't think so, and tire greatly of the blinded views of many. Your countries are no better, and some are worse. We all have our faults, all should accept that. Yes, problems should be pointed out to help better oneself and country, yet, beaten to death, they are too much.

Happy birthday America. And hopefully, many more to come.
 
Good article. No matter how many people hate it, America is still viewed as the refuge place, the freedom place, the place to strive for, aspire to, go to if you can. That's why I'm concerned every time I hear about the egregious violations of civil liberties, the rise of the unitary executive, etc. If the "noble experiment" goes sour, if the dream fails, if America goes fascist, and the go-to place ends up being somewhere else, or worse yet, there just isn't one--that'll be the end of the world as we know it.
 
Just shows how deluded people are.

Tony! Where have you been?
 
Good article. No matter how many people hate it, America is still viewed as the refuge place, the freedom place, the place to strive for, aspire to, go to if you can. That's why I'm concerned every time I hear about the egregious violations of civil liberties, the rise of the unitary executive, etc. If the "noble experiment" goes sour, if the dream fails, if America goes fascist, and the go-to place ends up being somewhere else, or worse yet, there just isn't one--that'll be the end of the world as we know it.

Ayup, wouldn't be the same. We influenced French peasants to revolt, thus their democracy. The Cold War, hell that was won by Reagan by increasing the size of our military beyond what the Russians could do.

People really could learn by history, and by really paying attention to the world. But they don't, its so much easier to blame the Americans. Hell, Chantily ran into the issue of hated Americans in Britain.

Its so easy for other countries to blame America. We're the big target. Hate America and you're loved. Sorry but I love my country, thus why I signed up to be in its military. I was the kid whom couldn't wait till Flag Day to unfurl the flag and hang it. I still love my country, whether it does right or wrong.
 
. I still love my country, whether it does right or wrong.
Sure!

I love my kids, too. Unconditionally. But that does not mean I'll let them lie, murder, steal. It doesn't mean that I'll pretend their problems don't exist. If my kid did something despicable, I'd still love him-- I wouldn't be proud of him

Likewise, acknowledging that my country is behaving like a bully, and is garnering well-deserved anger from around the world doesn't mean that I hate my country. It means that I am going to try to change my country and make it right again.

I love my country, but I am not proud of her just now.
 
Sure!

I love my kids, too. Unconditionally. But that does not mean I'll let them lie, murder, steal. It doesn't mean that I'll pretend their problems don't exist. If my kid did something despicable, I'd still love him-- I wouldn't be proud of him

Likewise, acknowledging that my country is behaving like a bully, and is garnering well-deserved anger from around the world doesn't mean that I hate my country. It means that I am going to try to change my country and make it right again.

I love my country, but I am not proud of her just now.

But do keep in mind that there is a difference between the people and the policy. Sadly, even the most benevolent policies in the world will not stop the resentment and hostility that has been thrown against America ever since we had the temerity to toss off the British Crown. Read the screeds written about America by French intellectuals who had never been here, by the British Aristocrats who somehow managed to put a rotten spin on every aspect of American life that they encountered. These were written in the 18th Century, for Heaven's sake, before we were more than a blip on the international radar, but the same emotions continue today and won't go away no matter who is in the driver's seat in Washington. As Ogg so aptly pointed out, our elections affect everyone on the planet but only we are allowed to vote in them. That very fact will breed resentment. In some parts of the world the fact that we "allow" and respect the opinions of women draws fire. In others, the fact that we actually conquered the world with movies instead of battleships is resented. Nobody loves a giant. The giant can only do the very best he can to his/her own satisfaction and it is this last part that must be rectified. We need to do a better job . . . to our own satisfaction. Because we sure as hell won't get any credit for it, anyway.
 
Sure!

I love my kids, too. Unconditionally. But that does not mean I'll let them lie, murder, steal. It doesn't mean that I'll pretend their problems don't exist. If my kid did something despicable, I'd still love him-- I wouldn't be proud of him

Likewise, acknowledging that my country is behaving like a bully, and is garnering well-deserved anger from around the world doesn't mean that I hate my country. It means that I am going to try to change my country and make it right again.

I love my country, but I am not proud of her just now.

But thats the great thing about your country! You're allowed to voice your concerns! [btw a bit drunk]. Anywayyyyyys....my biggest problem is those whom HATE this country. I am tired of it. Yes, like I said, there are issues. Name a country who doesn't have em. No country is perfect.

Hell if things were as intended here, the members of the House would serve 2yrs then step down. They don't. Career politicians were not designed in. Thats why Washington stepped down after 2 terms, he didn't want a career politician. I hear of 6 term Senators and gag. Should not be allowed, at all. I honestly think the wealthy have taken control, which is not a surprise.

You want to fix America? Elect those whom actually have struggled in life. Stop listening to the ads and think for once. Tired of the kids of multi-millionaires whom have had it easy, and thus are elected. Jut a rant of a drunk person but yea....
 
I should hold my tongue, but I shan't. Sorry.

Much as I admire what America has accomplished, much as I love many of its people, past, present, famous and not, it's not a place I would choose to live.

Simply because once you fall past a certain level there's almost no way back. Very few people care and even fewer with power.

From what I've heard, if I went through what I went through while living in the States, I'd be dead.

It's got its good points, but not the place for me.
 
But thats the great thing about your country! You're allowed to voice your concerns! [btw a bit drunk]. Anywayyyyyys....my biggest problem is those whom HATE this country.
Who actually does that?
 
From what I've heard, if I went through what I went through while living in the States, I'd be dead.

I don't know exactly what it is you went through, but if you're talking about health care, a safety net of sorts does exist, depending on your income. Here in Arizona, those netting under $850 per month after business expenses get free health care with something like a $5 copay, (but no free dental care.)

The problem lies in that gray area between making $850 per month and making enough to pay for health care. If you make $1200 per month and pay $400 for your health insurance, you're back at netting $800. It would make more sense to work less and get your free health care. Common sense would dictate a sliding scale, and you can find the sliding scale in some clinics (run by liberals, or in the faith based sector) but you can't find it in the government system. That's the shame of it all - such a great country with such a senseless way of caring for its citizens.

I honestly believe there is a difference between a sliding scale and socialism, but many will not see it that way. Whatever. It's usually the ones who can afford health insurance that are against helping the poor, and that's understandable. It's just human nature - I've got mine, so to hell with you. Go get your own! These would be the same people who go around extolling the virtues of Christian values. Say what?

(Rant over. Thank you very much.)
 
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Pay attention to the news. There is so much hate and disgust with this country.

The hate and disgust is with this country's policies, not with the country itself.

That's why you have demonstrations and hatred against the US at the same time you have people scrambling to get in. They know the difference between American political leadership and America itself.
 
The hate and disgust is with this country's policies, not with the country itself.

That's why you have demonstrations and hatred against the US at the same time you have people scrambling to get in. They know the difference between American political leadership and America itself.

Take it from an outsiders perspective, it's the policies that are the problem not the people. I go the states fairly often and am always treated well by the people. I have no problem with Americans at all.

Your foreign and domestic policy.....that's a discussion for a different day.
 
The hate and disgust is with this country's policies, not with the country itself.

That's why you have demonstrations and hatred against the US at the same time you have people scrambling to get in. They know the difference between American political leadership and America itself.

No, that's entirely too simple. There's a book out entitled Anti-Americanism (logically enough) that explores the factor. There isn't an Anti-American feeling in the world, there are myriad anti-Americanisms. What other countries dislike about ours is less about us than it is about them. Most anti-American rhetoric is about raising nationalism or scape-goating us to avoid unrest at home. We, as the biggest frog in the pond, just make a convenient target. Yes, there is resentment from the old European upper classes because we took their place. There is resentment in countries that live under "kleptocracies" (government by thieves) because for all our leaders myriad faults, ours are better than theirs. It ain't personal. It ain't even business. And it ain't even something we can do anything about. All we can do is try to hold to the values we believe in for the long term and not get sidetracked by immediate "small" problems.
 
No, that's entirely too simple. There's a book out entitled Anti-Americanism (logically enough) that explores the factor. There isn't an Anti-American feeling in the world, there are myriad anti-Americanisms. What other countries dislike about ours is less about us than it is about them. Most anti-American rhetoric is about raising nationalism or scape-goating us to avoid unrest at home. We, as the biggest frog in the pond, just make a convenient target. Yes, there is resentment from the old European upper classes because we took their place. There is resentment in countries that live under "kleptocracies" (government by thieves) because for all our leaders myriad faults, ours are better than theirs. It ain't personal. It ain't even business. And it ain't even something we can do anything about. All we can do is try to hold to the values we believe in for the long term and not get sidetracked by immediate "small" problems.

I disagree.

We had the entire world on our side immediately after 9/11. Bush's "yeehaw" foreign policies, and turning our military into a tool for he and the rest of his bullies turned it around incredibly fast.

I used to love my country. Now I'm just disgusted with what it's turned into.

I've purposely kept my mouth shut today, wanting people to have their celebration. But, I see little today about this country to be proud of.
 
I disagree.

We had the entire world on our side immediately after 9/11. Bush's "yeehaw" foreign policies, and turning our military into a tool for he and the rest of his bullies turned it around incredibly fast.

I used to love my country. Now I'm just disgusted with what it's turned into.

I've purposely kept my mouth shut today, wanting people to have their celebration. But, I see little today about this country to be proud of.

We had some of the world feeling sorry for us after 9/11. There was, however, an enormous tide of "Well, you had it coming." Ask the American ambassador to the UK. Go back and check the European blogs from the time. No, the entire world was not on our side immediately after 9/11 and it never will be. That doesn't excuse the monumental blunder that Iraq was. No way. Talk about Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. But even if we had done what we should have done, which was concentrate on Afghanistan until the Taliban was an exterminated memory, there would still be the international conspiracy theorists who would, as they do, that it was all a hoax and that the White House planned the whole thing. Even when we do things right, many can't stand us. Sometimes it's for doing things right. :rolleyes:
 
Even when we do things right, many can't stand us. Sometimes it's for doing things right. :rolleyes:
Not right now, it isn't.

Whining about the U.S.'s bad rep at this time, is like a kid who got caught pushing his brother and who says; "But I didn't push him yesterday!"
 
Not right now, it isn't.

Whining about the U.S.'s bad rep at this time, is like a kid who got caught pushing his brother and who says; "But I didn't push him yesterday!"

LOL. so true. Much like Rob, as an outsider I really try to stay out of these discussion, but the difference in how US foreign policy is viewed inside and outside the country is extremely stark.
 
Whining about the U.S.'s bad rep at this time, is like a kid who got caught pushing his brother and who says; "But I didn't push him yesterday!"
Too true. There's no resting on laurels, not for anyone or any country. A soldier who rapes and murders a woman in some other country does not get a "get out of jail free" card because their grandfather fought in WWII and helped to defeat Hitler.

What we do now is what defines us. What our ancestors did back in 1776, or 1812, or 1865, or 1917 or 1942....is what THEY did. It defined them and the country as it was then. It says nothing about what the country is now. We can be proud of them, but we can't take credit for what they did, nor can we use their accomplishments to shield ourselves from our sins.

We should always ask, what has my country done for the world this year that we have to be proud of? And being a country that still maintains laws of freedom of speech and such isn't enough. We can't be proud of maintaining something we take as a given and which requires no effort for us to continue doing it. What we should be proud of doing is that which is not easy and not a given. Which requires extraordinary effort and sacrifice and change, and which we do because we know it's right.

When we do something like that, then we can be proud of ourselves and our country at that moment. That's when we can say, "We're a good and great country." Right here. Right now.
 
Too true. There's no resting on laurels, not for anyone or any country. A soldier who rapes and murders a woman in some other country does not get a "get out of jail free" card because their grandfather fought in WWII and helped to defeat Hitler.

What we do now is what defines us. What our ancestors did back in 1776, or 1812, or 1865, or 1917 or 1942....is what THEY did. It defined them and the country as it was then. It says nothing about what the country is now. We can be proud of them, but we can't take credit for what they did, nor can we use their accomplishments to shield ourselves from our sins.

We should always ask, what has my country done for the world this year that we have to be proud of? And being a country that still maintains laws of freedom of speech and such isn't enough. We can't be proud of maintaining something we take as a given and which requires no effort for us to continue doing it. What we should be proud of doing is that which is not easy and not a given. Which requires extraordinary effort and sacrifice and change, and which we do because we know it's right.

When we do something like that, then we can be proud of ourselves and our country at that moment. That's when we can say, "We're a good and great country." Right here. Right now.


Okay. How about: Freeing Afghanistan from the murderous dictatorship of a band of religious zealots from outside the nation? That hasn't been accomplished yet, and is still in progress.
 
Love Americans, some of the friendliest people on the planet. :)

Hate America, the biggest bully on the planet :(
 
There is resentment of American politics across the world, but it is multi-hued and stems from political and cultural differences about society. Americans are great people living in a great country but what makes American a great place doesn't necessarily translate to other peoples ideals of society. Resentment grows from advocating the American model is the only model. Up until the last couple of decades, that belief was generally respected world-wide because it focussed upon 'democracy' and the rights of individuals to freely express political and religious opinion. As someone said, that belief enabled the Regan government to claim the end of the Cold War and eventually led to the break up of the USSR.

Since then, the American style of democracy has become tainted. Bush I largely escapes blame other than failing to deal with Saddam Hussain first time around. Clinton brought ridicule upon the office of Presidency despite restoring a degree of economic feel good factor; the Lewinsky affair demeaned the office of Presidency reducing it to something of a caricature of power and served to distract the administration, and the Republicans from world affairs. The Bush elections disemboweled democracy and exposed American politics as bigoted, possibly racist and demeaned the role of the Supreme Court - the final arbiter - to the point of understanding that political corruption was prevalent at the root of democracy.

This is not a democratic model that appeals yet politicians across the world inspired by the American political model emulate Americas democratic transgressions. In the UK we have an unelected Prime Minister, we didn't vote for him to be our PM yet we have him. The French have Sarkozy, who, a year after his 'triumph' has the lowest ever Presidential popularity ranking for bringing ridicule upon the office of Presidency in an effort to out do Clinton. Mugabe's brand of democracy is shades up the scale from what happened in the Bush II election. (See Spike Lee's 10 minute film about the Florida vote tampering.)

And then we have Iraq.

Americans are not 'hated' any more than other nationalities are 'hated' for specific attributes that impinge at a personal level. The rhetoric of American politics is an entirely different matter. Many individuals both in America, and looking on, would like to American democracy and the office of President restored to a legitimate and socially responsible platform, that way they might begin to believe once again in the American system and the American political voice.

The Credit Crunch from the sub-prime lending affecting Europe severely does not make the task of restoring 'faith' any easier. The full effect is only now emerging, the USA has thus far largely escaped blame but politicians fearful of re-election consequences won't be long in pointing the finger, no matter how falsely, at the demon behind their economic woes.
 
It's a great country.

It's the first one ever founded on ideals of individual liberty and autonomy enunciated in the Declaration. That and Founders' undertanding of the "mixed bag" nature of human nature, and their "baking it into the cake" of the government they created - and the national psyche - means that this country has an ability to "self-correct" and reform itself that is rare if not unique.

People today, including many here, have no sense of historical perspective and context. If they did they would look to something like the Civil War and the "original sin" of slavery and know that the "tarnishes and tears" they perceive to characterize the present era are really very minor. We expiated the original sin then, knitted the nation back together, and 100 years later completed the task of making real our committment to "all men are created equal." Yes it took longer than it should have but we did it - changing culture, hearts and minds rapidly just isn't something that humans do very well - but we did it.

The important thing is that the standard of value enunciated in our founding documents, the values and principles we measure ourselves against, are powerful and right. I don't know of any other nation that has anything similar that guides and binds them, something that goes deeper than ethnicity, ancient origins or other superficial things.
 
eople today, including many here, have no sense of historical perspective and context.
What bullshit. Of course we do.

Historical context is precisely why I am angry and ashamed of this country. And I am angry and ashamed of the people who try to excuse our bad behavior now, by dwelling on the goodness of our past.

It's all very well to talk about "self correction" but that won't happen if these nimnulls don't see any need to correct. "My country right or wrong" in the mouths of most quote patriots unquote, is synonymous with "What, me worry?"

The biggest problem with American brand of patriotism is the sheer size of this country. It means that most Americans can say; "There's nothing like the USA" and mean it-- and never, their entire lives, visit any other place for a true comparison.
 
What bullshit. Of course we do.

Historical context is precisely why I am angry and ashamed of this country. And I am angry and ashamed of the people who try to excuse our bad behavior now, by dwelling on the goodness of our past.

It's all very well to talk about "self correction" but that won't happen if these nimnulls don't see any need to correct. "My country right or wrong" in the mouths of most quote patriots unquote, is synonymous with "What, me worry?"

The biggest problem with American brand of patriotism is the sheer size of this country. It means that most Americans can say; "There's nothing like the USA" and mean it-- and never, their entire lives, visit any other place for a true comparison.

I just remember that things have been worse before, at least a little, and that they will get better again . . . because that's what happens. Hubris, Remorse, Reflection and Reform . . . to be followed by more Hubris, unfortunately. Such is American history.
 
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