Alpha - beta couple swap situations...

[Magineer]

There must be mis-matched couples out there who might generally be happier in life with a 're-sorting'. I'm sure I've seen some like it.

Example:

Pair A consists of a biker and his girl, both in their 20s. He's a rough, tough assertive sort. She's a 'yes girl' with next to no personality, if 'eye candy'.

Pair B are a failing marriage in their late 30s. They've no children, much to her regret. He's feckless, without much drive or ambition whereas she has made a success out of her own business. They've decided to 'give it one more go'.

Pair B are on a 'reconciliation walk' in the country, miles from anywhere, when they encounter Pair A at their makeshift campsite. The B male stumbles against the biker's Harley and is immediately involved in a fight with the outraged biker who quickly overpowers him with the help of female A.

Female B, who had been making a valiant attempt to defend her husband, now finds herself being 'forced' while her husband watches from his tied-to-a-tree situation.

The 'forcing' is an epiphany situation for both male A and female B - they find that this partner is actually superior to what they've been used to. After female A is also trussed to a tree, the pair spend the night fucking furiously and joyously inside the biker's tent. They ride off together in the morning.

Maybe a concluding para to show the new pairing six months on, the biker smartened up, the B female's business going great guns and a 'bump' gloriously in evidence..?

Haven't given much thought to how the two betas turn out... but could be this is also better for them..?

 

[Carnevil9]

I dunno. You seem to be implying that two alphas together will be happier than an alpha paired with a beta. That kind of contradicts what I always thought: that an alpha and a beta make a symbiotic pair that is good for both parties. Only sometimes behind closed doors they swap roles from what they exhibit in public.

 

[yukonnights]

I dunno. You seem to be implying that two alphas together will be happier than an alpha paired with a beta. That kind of contradicts what I always thought: that an alpha and a beta make a symbiotic pair that is good for both parties. Only sometimes behind closed doors they swap roles from what they exhibit in public.

This is my understanding as well. In more sexual terms; typically, a Dominant needs a submissive ... and vice versa. That said, the story idea would be fine, just don't overplay a bunch of Alpha/beta stuff. (and don't forget to review the Literotica non-con guidelines/rules .)

 

[SteelPoint]

"Mis-matching" becoming resolved is definitely a worthwhile focus. At the very least it can lead to an unusual and interesting driving force behind a plot, so I think you have hit upon something.

Those who state that alpha must always mean "dominant" and beta "submissive" are barking up the wrong tree. This is too rigid an interpretation of what is poorly formulated and understood psychologists convention seminar stuff.

I've always thought in fact that it's likes that attract. Absolutely none of the successful couples I've ever met consisted of polar opposites. Much more often were they similar in character and motivations.

 

[yukonnights]

"Mis-matching" becoming resolved is definitely a worthwhile focus. At the very least it can lead to an unusual and interesting driving force behind a plot, so I think you have hit upon something.

Those who state that alpha must always mean "dominant" and beta "submissive" are barking up the wrong tree. This is too rigid an interpretation of what is poorly formulated and understood psychologists convention seminar stuff.

I've always thought in fact that it's likes that attract. Absolutely none of the successful couples I've ever met consisted of polar opposites. Much more often were they similar in character and motivations.

Your point has some validity. Most all tropes fail to establish absolutes. However, in sexual terms the D/s dynamic is common. While two aggressive people may get along, at some point it is likely that one will overpower the other, thus rendering them the less powerful one - or sub/beta.

Even the OP's idea has the Biker thug becoming more enlightened (perhaps a big jump in regards to reality?). The unbelievable part is; A biker thug beets up my husband, rapes me...and I fall head over heals in love with him — leave my husband on the spot, tied to a tree and ride away to bliss??? Uhhhh, okay, I guess.

 

[SteelPoint]

Your point has some validity. Most all tropes fail to establish absolutes. However, in sexual terms the D/s dynamic is common. While two aggressive people may get along, at some point it is likely that one will overpower the other, thus rendering them the less powerful one - or sub/beta.

Even the OP's idea has the Biker thug becoming more enlightened (perhaps a big jump in regards to reality?). The unbelievable part is; A biker thug beets up my husband, rapes me...and I fall head over heals in love with him — leave my husband on the spot, tied to a tree and ride away to bliss??? Uhhhh, okay, I guess.

So you give no credit to the OP for his/her build up regarding the failed marriage and implicit lack of good physical relations?

He/she has already described the rape as an "epiphany situation". I would guess the focus of the eroticism would be on that act. At the same time, there would be gradual realisation taking place within each of the two participating minds that this was a new beginning. It doesn't need rocket science to imagine that. Far, far stranger things have happened.

It's funny that wacky ideas involving the supernatural and surreal often seem to be quite happily accepted here, while fairly down to earth things with a bit of orginality are given short shrift.

 

[yukonnights]

So you give no credit to the OP for his/her build up regarding the failed marriage and implicit lack of good physical relations?

He/she has already described the rape as an "epiphany situation". I would guess the focus of the eroticism would be on that act. At the same time, there would be gradual realisation taking place within each of the two participating minds that this was a new beginning. It doesn't need rocket science to imagine that. Far, far stranger things have happened.

It's funny that wacky ideas involving the supernatural and surreal often seem to be quite happily accepted here, while fairly down to earth things with a bit of orginality are given short shrift.

The basic premise of mismatched couples is fine, but even that isn't fully thought out. (even if alpha biker did hook up with alpha wife, the term alpha is not some absolute. She would still be his beta — as proven by the fact he rapes her at will The whole Alpha/beta thing is much more complex than being one or the other. (But that's not a discussion for here.) The scenario suggested is weak.

I take it they are on a reconciliation walk because they want the marriage to work. I take it she is aghast at what is happening to her husband to the point of trying to fight off the biker thug. I take it that; a married woman, walking in the park with her husband hoping to work out issues is suddenly attacked and raped by a stranger — then his cock miraculously changing her into his girl ... is beyond any reasonable suspension of belief.

For what it's worth, I don't find rape erotic ... I'm not a big fan of supernatural fantasy either... but we know fairies and dragons are not real — rape is real, people are real. You can't justify one with the other.

But, it's a big world and if this idea fires your imagination — there's the story idea just waiting for you to write it

 

[Scareltt]

So many possibilities..

How about a dominant leaning wife is swapped to a dominant man or woman. Then her subby hubby is paired with a more submissive woman or man.

That would be an interesting fish out of water situation.

Probably harder to write than you think.

 

[Magineer]

'It's funny that wacky ideas involving the supernatural and surreal often seem to be quite happily accepted here, while fairly down to earth things with a bit of originality are given short shrift.'

Shhh...

... you'd do well to whisper that on this forum...

It was just a suggestion and not meant to provoke deep Freudian id/super-ego trade-off analysis, as seems to have happened with some comments.

But yes, your thought of how casually some utterly implausible scenarios are accepted as somehow portraying immense 'imagination', while other more realistic ideas are picked apart at forensic level, is not far off the mark.

 

[Carnevil9]

Well, to be fair, when an idea is presented as fanciful or farcical, nobody thinks to question its plausibility. But when something is presented as realistic, we do. That's only natural.

 

[Scareltt]

I’m not a writer.

'It's funny that wacky ideas involving the supernatural and surreal often seem to be quite happily accepted here, while fairly down to earth things with a bit of originality are given short shrift.'

Shhh...

... you'd do well to whisper that on this forum...

It was just a suggestion and not meant to provoke deep Freudian id/super-ego trade-off analysis, as seems to have happened with some comments.

But yes, your thought of how casually some utterly implausible scenarios are accepted as somehow portraying immense 'imagination', while other more realistic ideas are picked apart at forensic level, is not far off the mark.

I get the appeal of supernatural stories. One of the reasons in enjoy Lit is then escapism...

 

[Magineer]

Well, to be fair, when an idea is presented as fanciful or farcical, nobody thinks to question its plausibility. But when something is presented as realistic, we do. That's only natural.

So the term 'natural' here implying a teensy little bit of double standards, then, sorta kinda..?

Someone earlier thought to call my suggestion 'weak' without, one can only assume, giving tuppence of thought as to whether it could be made to work. This could be done rather easily, in point of fact - AND without raising too much sweat in the process. But therein lies the rub: without laying out a whole finished story for people to consider, you lay the ground open for them to be over-critical about detail... intentionally or otherwise... and often based on their own predilections.

I guess that has to be accepted as going with the territory here. It was only a vague idea.

 

[LupusDei]

Haven't given much thought to how the two betas turn out... but could be this is also better for them..?

Really?

This is where the story that is most interesting -- to me -- starts. The Biker + Bitch pair I would forget the moment they take off to the sunset, only possibly remembered as absent evil looming in distance, a threat powering rapid change of character.

The overall situation is, admittedly farcical, but still quite sound, imho.

Initially we have pairs of Biker + Girl and Loser + Bitch.

Probably...

I don't know where Biker come from, but let's just accept him as an archetype.

The Girl is a natural beauty, she probably had poor and repressed childhood, is rather smart, but was trapped in circumstances without resources for growth and in social circles where being smart was seen as "un-cool". Eventually she run off, or allowed herself to be "captured" by the Biker out of sheer frustration with the stupidity of her situation and wanting change. Being smart, she's highly trainable, and had no difficulty to fail in wanted role optimal for survival on the backseat of her Biker she's silently resenting. She knows her value, but have learned to keep quiet and doesn't yet know how unhappy she actually is.

The Loser is a nice guy and hero at heart, but a hero without quest. He's lazy, as in, had never needed to truly work for anything. His parents aren't obscenely rich, just well off and laid back, and had spoiled him just a little too much. Being rather smart and multi-talented he sailed through school never needing to do homework, never stressed about perfect grades that were good enough anyway. Not quite a geek either, but still perhaps suffering from bullies he eventually learned to ignore, he was late bloomer even as a party animal. However, he successfully scored the Prom Queen, just as effortlessly as anything else. Unfortunately, she later grown up to be the Bitch, just as he started to face difficulties in college.

Parents of the Bitch were newcomers in social circles of the Loser's parents and subconsciously she's inherited deeply ingrained envy and feeling of inadequacy manifesting as lack of self esteem and inability of self-actualization. She's not at all that bright, her good looks and grades (in that order of importance) had always been hard work driven with ambition to prove herself; unfortunately an impossible task because her self-worth is purely external.

The Bitch saw the Loser as the golden boy who would guarantee her status. He failed miserably, because she never let him succeed. Lacking serious ambition of his own he sacrificed his own impractical dreams and esoteric interests to support career and comfort of his obviously more focused and business oriented wife. It was exactly the wrong thing to do. It is effectively massive misunderstanding, Bitch has never wanted to be dominant, but he let her become such, just because of her being driven and him being meek, and as more she mothers him, as meeker he becomes.

Her business isn't a complete failure, but not a shining success either; Loser is appalled by her less than ethical methods and blind to her unique challenges such as female glass ceiling. And worse of anything, he is nobody who can't offer status bonus to her, no matter how high pedestal he builds for her. While their marriage isn't obviously broken, it just doesn't work, but they are trapped in know comforts -- thus the attemts of reconciliation.

The rape gone right... it isn't quite a rape. Bitch is quite happy to let Loser see her taken by a "superior" male. The pure primal power of the Biker and the act snaps her out her preconceptions. She desires, even requires that feel of power to lean on to thrive. And let's not kid ourselves it's not Biker "wizened up" it's Bitch masterfully manipulates him towards her own goals, maintaining air of his superiority, of course.

Now the interesting story is the Loser triggered in hero mode attempting to save the Girl from the shadow of the Biker and his own wife, reverting his own failures and taking real responsibility for the first time. It easily could be 30-year old coming-to-age story assisted by the smart submissive ex-biker-slut dumped on him.

 

[Magineer]

Just wanted to get back on this.

Yes, absolutely right, it probably is the 'beta' (for want of a better word) pair which has potentially the more interesting story here. Certainly I grant that the alpha pairing is a huge cliché.

I think I shied away from it, pulled by my preference for the short story format and deterred by the likely need for quite a lengthy development on the beta couple's side.

Whatever you want to call it, 'alpha/beta' or anything else, it seems to me there is quite a bit of erotic scope in the sudden resolution of ill-matched couples. People do make mistakes in the pairings they form. One look at the divorce stats tells you as much.

 

[LWulf]

Just to segue in my own inestimable style...

Among wolves, the "alphas" of the pack are a single male and female couple. I say that because wolves normally mate only once, and for life, so, yes, they are a couple. While "betas" in a wolf pack are subservient to an alpha, they are more like a second in command, and when the alphas are off scouting new territory, etc, the betas are in command of the pack. Betas are a male and female wolf, and they may fight to become alphas themselves.

To apply to the story concept, it's just odd to me that human conception of alpha and beta is so drastically different to wolf culture.

Point of reference, taking a mate, and "mating" are two different things in wolf culture.

 

[loquere]

I dunno. You seem to be implying that two alphas together will be happier than an alpha paired with a beta. That kind of contradicts what I always thought: that an alpha and a beta make a symbiotic pair that is good for both parties. Only sometimes behind closed doors they swap roles from what they exhibit in public.

I agree with you, those were my thoughts as well.

 

[SteelPoint]

Whatever you want to call it, 'alpha/beta' or anything else, it seems to me there is quite a bit of erotic scope in the sudden resolution of ill-matched couples. People do make mistakes in the pairings they form. One look at the divorce stats tells you as much.

Couldn't agree more.

I've had one or two similar plots on the back burner for a while now. One of them actually involves THREE pairs thrown together by fate (snowbound hotel) for a weekend.

You can work a lot of sexual tension into people finding fulfilment with those who should be "off limits" but who in fact hold a "better key" for their personal "lock".