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Dear Authors,

When I pull up Literotica's pages and get ready to enjoy these stories I am often disapointed when I get to lines, phrases, or situations that are not correct. Some of the things on here are minor mistakes but could make a story much better. Other things are my own preferances and things I dislike in stories overall. Please do not take the message as an attack on any particular story or author. (list below)

AnalPlayPlease2

1) The physical description of women in most stories are absurd. A women that ways 97 pounds and is 5.0 tall will not have a "curvacious body and huge DD tits." If she does, make sure you add the breasts are fake. Please make the womens descriptions more accurate or better yet don't include any descriptions and let the reader make them up him/herself to fulfil our own ideas.

2) Descriptions like "gallons of cum" do nothing for me. Men do not have gallons of cum they have a teaspoon or two.

3) I would like a Loving Husbands category added to the story index. Loving Wives stories in general irritate me though I cannot pinpoint why. Perhaps because all of the wives seem like subs and we all know that that is untrue.

4) Incest Stories (I do not gernally read) but I have a main issue with father/daughter stories. Please do not include lines such as, "I have wanted her since she started developing at 12." That line causes people to think that lusting after children is ok since "everyone in the stories thinks it." I realize incest is not condoned or reccomended however those lines frighten me more than anything on this entire site. Now, in other respects please do not have daughter dialogue saying, "I have wanted my father since I was 15." Again those lines cause people to blur concepts of when sexuality is legal. One more issue, the eighteenth birthday themes are overdone and not done all that well.

Those are my main concerns and issue with the site. I love literotica and I love reading peoples stories and having mine read. As I said before those issues are just suggestions and I myself have my own preferances. I just wantede to let authors know what I like or dislike so they can have a better understanding of women in my age bracket (18-22). P.S. I did a small survey of my friends that read around the site before I posted this. There is nothing worse than masurbating to a nice story only to be turned off by an offensive line or phrase. Please, realize I only wish to make authors aware of things that make stories less sexy..
 
2 quick points - virtually all women in my stories so far are people i know who explicitly asked to be written into a story so i think i've got the proportions okay there and the other point is the offensive phrases thing - i know that a story i am working on now will be deeply offensive to some people but that a lot of people will be able to take it as a joke (just certain things in the story that are said to build character) so in that story i'll have to use a clear disclaimer. i know what you are talking about though - i think a lot of people here will sympathise with it.
 
Excellent that you have proportions of real people in your story. That remark was mostly meant for people with no idea of sizes and shapes and proportions.
Also, nothing really offends me except the concept of adults and children in sexual scenarios. Hence, the notice about incest stories and ages that are inappropriate.
 
analplayplease2 said:
4) Incest Stories (I do not gernally read) but I have a main issue with father/daughter stories. Please do not include lines such as, "I have wanted her since she started developing at 12." That line causes people to think that lusting after children is ok since "everyone in the stories thinks it." I realize incest is not condoned or reccomended however those lines frighten me more than anything on this entire site. Now, in other respects please do not have daughter dialogue saying, "I have wanted my father since I was 15." Again those lines cause people to blur concepts of when sexuality is legal. One more issue, the eighteenth birthday themes are overdone and not done all that well.

Fair enough. Everyone has his/her preferences. Two issues here: incest and underage sexual thoughts (not even actual sex, from what I can see from your posting).

It's the age-old question... You'd like all stories to only talk about what is "legal" or "moral" then? Or, does this only apply to incest? Or underage sex?

There's no widely accepted scientific evidence for your statement that stories having a certain element really influence people (in the long run). It is still debated for depictions of violence (the most studied issue in the field); there's even less proof for sexuality etc.

By the way, I see nothing wrong with "lusting after children." It's certainly legal, if one doesn't act on it. I can "lust" all I want in the privacy of my own mind (or even, in writings, songs, etc) -- it's called privacy and freedom of expression. Actual depictions of real children are different, cause there you "act" on some real child.

Anyway, murder is certainly at least as repulsive (let alone that the legal penalties for it are much more severe) than your example. So, by your argument, murder stories should not be written because "they will cause people to think it's ok because everyone in the stories does it"?

If it makes you uncomfortable, don't partake. :D

PS IMO, the ridiculousness of the eighteenth birthday stuff is partly due to Lit authors not being allowed to write about unerage sex (and trying to circumvent that rule by placing all sex at or just after the 18th birthday, rather than using some other more natural storyline).
 
analplayplease2 said:

1) The physical description of women in most stories are absurd. A women that ways 97 pounds and is 5.0 tall will not have a "curvacious body and huge DD tits." If she does, make sure you add the breasts are fake. Please make the womens descriptions more accurate or better yet don't include any descriptions and let the reader make them up him/herself to fulfil our own ideas.

2) Descriptions like "gallons of cum" do nothing for me. Men do not have gallons of cum they have a teaspoon or two.

Hiddenself has written some very wise things. I totally agree but like to add something.

1) I'm a metric person so I don't understand the sizes anyway, but the description of men in most stories is just as ridiculous.

2) And that brings me to the second point. I thought most stories (if not all) are fantasy. Gallons of cum is just as silly as a man who can come ten times in a row or a woman who can walk away with grace after a gangbang.

If I don't like certain phrases, I just stop reading.

:kiss:

Black Tulip
 
analplayplease2 said:
Dear Authors,

When I pull up Literotica's pages and get ready to enjoy these stories I am often disapointed when I get to lines, phrases, or situations that are not correct. Some of the things on here are minor mistakes but could make a story much better. Other things are my own preferances and things I dislike in stories overall.
Hello,

At first I was going to return a smart-assed edit of your post but then, I realized that here is some genuinely valuable feedback and we all would do well to pay attention to your valid points.

You're right about errors, nothing earns a back-click from me, faster than a poorly edited story. There are some very good spell check and grammar check features on most notable word processing programs, why some writers refuse to take advantage of them is beyond me. In all fairness though, if writers could all edit then we wouldn't need editors and the educational aspects of the industry would fall apart if that were the case.

'hiddenself' makes a good argument, as do you, about ideas and stories outside of your personal taste, if you don't approve of a theme or situation, don't read the story. One other thing though. please don't vote down something purely because of content. Someone else may like cream in their coffee, even though you take yours black.

Thanks for the general feedback, keep reading!
 
To each their own. Odd as it might seem, some people might get off by liteally imagining 'gallons of boiling hot cum'. Hmm. Gallons of scalding cream. :eek: Not my thing, but I'm sure there's an underground fetish for it somewhere.

While I agree with the spirit of the post, keep in mind that a number of authors who submit to Lit do not read these fourms. The Author's Hangout and Story Feedback sections are unknown or unwelcome amongst them. While those who take advantage of what the forums offer usually heed these points, those unaware of it will let this fly by.

Also, a number of authors post to multiple sites. Like hiddenself said, thier stories may not be limited to the 18+ rule elsewhere. Getting the extra exposure on Lit by merely changing the character's age, rather than the story's content, is the scope of the author's vision. In which case, your beef lies with those authors directly.

In the end however, I agree with everyone here. If you don't like it, don't read it! :)
 
Agreed

Yes, I would agree so far with everything everyone has posted.

My main issue with the incest category is that the lines about children being under 18 bother me. As I have said over and over some of the post is just my preferance. So I asked people to not take offense. I think some people are offended and feel the need to defend despite my insisting that it was my opinion.

As to scientifiv information about actions coming from words or scenes I would like to point to three studies done by researchers across the united states (1980, 1991, 1997) that show absolutley that violent images and words create violence. These studies have been done over and over with the same results only to have the governement push down there work.
What this means for me is that suggesting something over and over again can lead to a blurred line of what is legal and what is not. That is why I am concerned about phrasing of stories involving young ages. Which incidentally i may bring up to the editors.

I am not nec against stories because of legal aspects like murder, incest and so on. I am only really bothered by stories of children because that is the field in which I work.

I also have a large percentage of my friends that have been raped or molested in their childhood. And as we do know scientifically those who were abused are more likely to abuse others. Creating a cycle of abuse that is very hard to get out of.

This is why I am concerned about stories (especially on the incest page) because we also know scientifically that most children are raped or molested by those that they know.

I do however agree that if I don't like a story I can leave, (which I do). But I do want to throw a random question into the depths of cyber space. Why are there so many more stories about incest than almost any other topic? Taboo fetish? Or because people realy crave it? If poeple are craving the sex with their family members as some stories suggest "since she started going through puberty" than should we not be concerned with reading and posting the stories?

In my opinion, yes very much so. (but that is just my opinion)
 
Dear APP2,

I can see where your concern comes from and I do not disagree with you about using children for sex.

What I don't understand is that you make the assumption that writing (fantasizing?) about something leads automatically to acting it out.
Yes, maybe in the case of very young children who have yet to learn the distinction between reality and fantasy. But that is not the audience here.

Besides, if you really believe that, a whole lot of other stories should be banned as well. The whole non-consent section should be closed down for example. After all, it's just a nice word for rape. And I certainly wouldn't want people to start doing the things you can read in there. But I do like to read them! :D

Ever read Nancy Friday?
I can't find it right now, but she writes about sexual fantasies. "Forbidden fruits" or something.

:kiss:

Black Tulip
 
yup thats got the nail on the head right there. while i understand your views analplay i think that you should be careful to keep them that - views, and try not to ever verge into the realm of the thought police where we are not only banned from certain acts but thoughts are condemned as well.
 
Posting your gripes here, in a very general way, allows you to reach only a small subset of the authors on lit. Many of us have already been hung in effigy for commiting some of the errors as a writer that bother you. Many of us have some of the same problems when we read a story, the main thing is you are basically preaching to the chior on the borads. Most of those who come here regularly are the harder core of writers. Might I suggest sending a feedback to the author of any story that bothers you? A personal note will reach more and make more impact. Give a return addy with your feedback, least the author merely assume you are a troll.



1) The physical description of women in most stories are absurd. A women that ways 97 pounds and is 5.0 tall will not have a "curvacious body and huge DD tits." If she does, make sure you add the breasts are fake. Please make the womens descriptions more accurate or better yet don't include any descriptions and let the reader make them up him/herself to fulfil our own ideas.

Some descriptions are rediculous, granted. No description may jibe with some authors style of writing, but most want you to see someone who looks at least something like we imagine. Keep in mind there are all types of people in this world. I have a friend who is 4 foot nine and three quarters, barely tips the scale at 108 pounds and has large, full, natural, beautiful DD breasts. I would never use her descript for a character, because it sounds unbelieveable, but aside from looking like she is abot to "tump over" at any minute she is very attractive.


2) Descriptions like "gallons of cum" do nothing for me. Men do not have gallons of cum they have a teaspoon or two.

Gallons of cum is a stock description. File it with wet, juicy pussy, huge throbbing cock, perfect tight ass and movie star looks. They are expresssions you will see time and again in explicitly sexual stories. Keep in mind most authors here are complete amatures. There is a strong tendancy to rely on cliche' phrases among novice writers. Those who write more will tend to move away from cliched or overused expressions, but it is a mistake most of us made when we were just starting out.

4) Incest Stories (I do not gernally read) but I have a main issue with father/daughter stories. Please do not include lines such as, "I have wanted her since she started developing at 12." That line causes people to think that lusting after children is ok since "everyone in the stories thinks it." I realize incest is not condoned or reccomended however those lines frighten me more than anything on this entire site. Now, in other respects please do not have daughter dialogue saying, "I have wanted my father since I was 15." Again those lines cause people to blur concepts of when sexuality is legal. One more issue, the eighteenth birthday themes are overdone and not done all that well.

Lit's policy requires that all characters in sexual situations be at least 18. Life dosen't work that way, the 13 year old girl next door gets laid more often than I do. I don't disagree with lit's policy, I think it's fair and judicious, but the simple fact is people begin to experience their sexuality far in advance of their 18th birthday. Notes on how far back these desires go allow an author to build some background. If you disallow the mention of sexual awakening in the years prior to the age requirement at the site then you get a huge number of stories that start out with 18 year olds going after people with no explanation why. Apparently at eighteen they left the 1950's and warped into the 1990's. It's so forced and stilted that it would make for nothing but boring, cloned stories.

While itis personally abhorrent to me to imagine anyone reading one of my stories and imagnining one of my characters as a child, I have to say HS was right. Imagining is not a crime. References to pre age of conscent desires are not intrinsically harmful, nor do they automatically make a story bad. You as a reader must understand that the writers in that category are working within a framework of rules that limit their ability to tell a tale. By and large I think the majority do a good job of working within the guide lines to produce works that are acceptable to the site and to the readership while still allowing freedom to tell a story.

-Colly
 
Analplay,

Your gripes are the same as most readers'. One of the ways you can help stories get a little better is to participate on this forum, editing and commenting on stories for people who honestly want your opinion. The problem with stories like the ones you mention are that the authors probably don't care to get things right. I can tell you from the number of e-mails I get if I make a tiny mistake that they probably get a few hate-mails about their exagerations, so they don't need any more. The only thing we can really do is help the people that want help.

As for the incest, though...that's really a matter of preference, isn't it? Not hard at all to just not open the story, imho.

Chicklet
 
I guess I should also mention that I have already responded to why I am concerned about children being mentioned in stories. I never said al fantasy leads to a reality.

I never degraded the incest section just the fact that the lines used in the incest section seem fairly innapropriate. I am not syaing to ban or monitor peoples thoughts or stories based on legalities, I am saying that we should be concered when children are mentioned in stories involving sex.

If people are unwilling to see the desctintion than that is fine. I believe however that most people are trying to defend their own thoughts and actions (I have recieved email on this topic directly to my account as well.)

I am not trying to be the thought police. If people would read what I have written instead of planning their attacks as they read, they would notice that I never say half of the stuff the board is assuming.
 
Hold the horses....

Analplay...

You came onto a board you never participated in before and just began to espouse your personal opinions on things (without even really taking the time to know who we are on this board or what we believe in)...and I think everyone has been more or less civil in their responses, even if they disagree with you.

Remember that just because you shoot off an opinion doesn't mean that everyone here must bend to your whim. You have a right to your opinion as much as other people have a right to theirs.

If people don't agree with you...get over it. This isn't a contest about who is right and who is wrong. You have your feelings, other people have thiers.

Move along and stop taking things so personally.

~WOK
 
Originally quoted by analplayplease 2
I would like a Loving Husbands category added to the story index. Loving Wives stories in general irritate me though I cannot pinpoint why. Perhaps because all of the wives seem like subs and we all know that that is untrue.

So is your sweeping generalisation. Not all loving wives stories portray the wife as a submissive.

Octavian

My stories
 
yes of course this is all true, you should never make broad sweeping statements like say, all frenchmen are bastards . . . bad example sorry
 
Analplay,

If you tookmy response to be an attack I do apologize. There was no rancor intended or felt.

-Colly
 
Re: Agreed

analplayplease said:
Yes,
But I do want to throw a random question into the depths of cyber space. Why are there so many more stories about incest than almost any other topic? Taboo fetish? Or because people realy crave it? If poeple are craving the sex with their family members as some stories suggest "since she started going through puberty" than should we not be concerned with reading and posting the stories?


You just missed a very intense discussion of the "Appeal of Incest" in stories here at Lit in which your random question was batted about. Here's a link:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204335

You should find it interesting.

---dr.M.
 
I think Hidden made some good points.

In particular, APP's request:

"I have wanted her since she started developing at 12." That line causes people to think that lusting after children is ok since "everyone in the stories thinks it."

is entirely misconceived. Note the word I .

A character is speaking. That could scarcely cause 'people' to think something similar, even if "everyone in the stories thinks it."

A character, Hannibal Lector, might say, "I'm going to murder that person and eat his liver." How many Hannibals have emerged in the few years now? Even one? (I know, they are very clever and hence rarely detected and maybe there's one next door.)

As HS says, the 'influence' of stories is much debated. The writing of a sexual fantasy typically causes sexual fantasy. The writing of crime in published works, including sex crimes, is very rarely and not necessarily connected to criminal acts.

It's possible that exposure to violent writings induces some to think/feel violence is OK, but again the effect must be minuscule, if one looks at the violence so loved by teens, like Texas Chainsaw, Freddie, etc. Perhaps one in a million is nudged towards murder. A few say, 'Chainsaw murder is OK since I've seen it a lot, in movies.'

As another poster said, this is not a useful place to preach to literotica writers, or even compliment them, since 90% + of writers do not frequent this forum.

J.
 
analplayplease said:

I am not trying to be the thought police. If people would read what I have written instead of planning their attacks as they read, they would notice that I never say half of the stuff the board is assuming.

I would like to state that I agree wtih what APP has said here. She is not talking about banning anything, but stating her story preference. I don't know why it is, but here on lit, you can state your preference about stuff like breast size, but if you say that you don't like something particular in a certain category, you will be told: just don't read it, and be automatically accused of being the thought police.

Now, this is applicable if I say, "I hate all non-consent." this is easy, becuase non-consent is labled as such. But if I say, in non-consent, I don't like A and B, but would like to see more C. you can't tell all that before you open it,and its not fair to say 'just back click' either. If you've read half the story and the main character suddenly calles out, "shuv your pud up my poopshoot!" or whatever A or B was, you are invested in the story, and 'back click' is not an adequate response.

Now, she has stated in her post that she does NOT like characters to state that they desired there children at a young age. ANd the argument was given that sometimes this is neccessary backstory. I can see both points, and I think both statements are perfectly valid.

While it's true that the majority of writers probably won't read her post, many will. Let's not forget about the lurkers as well, whom we do not know about. They may not post, but they may read her post and write something that fits that description. They might then even notify her that they have written it, hoping that she will give it a high vote or send feedback, or maybe that she will just enjoy it.

But even if they don't, they may at least give consideration to what she has said, and think about weather aluding to lusting after stepdaughter the last 6 yeaars is really neccessary backstory or just cheep theatrics.

My personal probllem with this 'plot device' is that we all know that sex happens before 18, and is even legal before 18, so saying that he wanted her since she was 14 but waited until the day she turned 18 yanks me out of the story. It ruins my suspension of disbelief unless there was a good reason to wait. and being the lowest acceptable age for a lit story is not a good reason! In nearly all cases, I prefer everyone to be at least 19, becuase I automatically think the 18 year old stories are fake. In real life, people have sex before 18, but for *&^%%sake, they have sex after 18 too!!!!

Back to my point. She has stated what she likes and doenst like to see in a story. That doesn not make her the thought police.

(I'd like to know what you think of my stories- I *think* they fit all of your peramiters. You might even like my incest story. I don't describe my characters with numbers, that is my pet peeve as well. Some of my characters have very little description, and I try to use it only when it is relevant. There is a link on my sig line)
 
I agree - but my statement remains the same. The beef lies with the author directly. If in reading a stroy you find the content to be questionable, for whatever reason, that you feel it deserves attention in addressing, then take it up with the author themselves.

I like to think those authors who also post here on the forums have a refined sense of plot devices, as you put it. Said authors only constitute a small percentage of the total number of story posters though.
 
It's an irritation that makes a pearl...

As I read the erotic literature presented on this site, I immerse myself into the world that the author has created not unlike an ultimate virtual reality scene created by good weed and Hendrix in the background. And then -- a typo! a run on sentence! it's in lieu of its! or some graphically obtuse simile that has its roots in some Erskine Caldwell jottings! These reality checks are a turn off. That the original post in this thread contained several spelling errors in juxtaposition with the subject of the post was humorous but, that fact points out that even 'posts' and their replies need to be spell checked. I wonder if it would be possible to have an online spell checker for the forum input. :rolleyes:
 
Re: It's an irritation that makes a pearl...

Robert Kincaid said:
I wonder if it would be possible to have an online spell checker for the forum input. :rolleyes:

The general consensus on forum posts is that the content matters more than the form, and that it's better to encourage people to post and speak their minds than it is to hold them to standards of grammar and spelling that would stifle spontaneity.

---dr.M.
 
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