"All a woman needs in order to be considered interesting is a past."--Rita Hayworth

[BonsaiBeauty]

"All a woman needs in order to be considered interesting is a past."--Rita Hayworth

Since I am a newcomer here, I wanted to tell you a bit about myself via a web log that I invite you to read whenever the mood or inclination strikes. I'll start off with the quote I used in the subject line of the thread.

"All a woman needs in order to be considered interesting is a past."--Rita Hayworth.......Well, I think Rita knew what she was talking about because she was certainly interesting, sexy, a bit mysterious, and so intensely watchable. I guess you could say I'm taking a page out of Rita's book here by telling you that, indeed, I do have a past, probably not as interesting as hers, but still a past worth noting.

I'm still pretty young and I've had a lot of lovers, of both genders, and I am not entirely sure if I've ever met the right person. I know I have loved many people, but no one has ever been able to inspire me enough to want to commit to them for life. I've had marriage proposals, cohabitation offers, and I've even been asked to bear someone's child. Still, I just haven't been able to get into commitment. Instead, I have devoted myself to the pleasure principle. I have sought every possible means of tasting life's delicious elixirs. Perhaps I have broken a few hearts along the way (though never intentionally). Perhaps I am the next in line to fall madly in love (who knows, right?) Whatever the case, I am a woman with a past, but I think I want to become a woman with a future. Now that is the closest I have ever come to saying I want to settle down. But, don't quote me on it!

 

[CharleyH]

Since I am a newcomer here, I wanted to tell you a bit about myself via a web log that I invite you to read whenever the mood or inclination strikes. I'll start off with the quote I used in the subject line of the thread.

"All a woman needs in order to be considered interesting is a past."--Rita Hayworth.......Well, I think Rita knew what she was talking about because she was certainly interesting, sexy, a bit mysterious, and so intensely watchable. I guess you could say I'm taking a page out of Rita's book here by telling you that, indeed, I do have a past, probably not as interesting as hers, but still a past worth noting.

I'm still pretty young and I've had a lot of lovers, of both genders, and I am not entirely sure if I've ever met the right person. I know I have loved many people, but no one has ever been able to inspire me enough to want to commit to them for life. I've had marriage proposals, cohabitation offers, and I've even been asked to bear someone's child. Still, I just haven't been able to get into commitment. Instead, I have devoted myself to the pleasure principle. I have sought every possible means of tasting life's delicious elixirs. Perhaps I have broken a few hearts along the way (though never intentionally). Perhaps I am the next in line to fall madly in love (who knows, right?) Whatever the case, I am a woman with a past, but I think I want to become a woman with a future. Now that is the closest I have ever come to saying I want to settle down. But, don't quote me on it!

Well, interesting topic. I might also like to paraphrase Catherine Deneuve ... who articulated at one point that mystery was all a woman needs. Deneuve is certainly the enduring image of enigma and fascination and lust and cool beauty even now, at 63. A past is sometimes, not worth noting. On marriage, I can quote Denueve, "Why marry when there is divorce?"

Some people have lovers, some settle for love. I personally never settle. You can quote me on that.

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

I love Rita Hayworth and Catherine Deneuve and both of them could teach us all a thing or two about lasting allure. I think Deneuve's quote about divorce is hilarious and soooo apt. I liked what she said when responding to the criticism that she was a home wrecker, "I'm not a home wrecker. Some men are just available, whether they're married or not."

 

[CharleyH]

I love Rita Hayworth and Catherine Deneuve and both of them could teach us all a thing or two about lasting allure. I think Deneuve's quote about divorce is hilarious and soooo apt. I liked what she said when responding to the criticism that she was a home wrecker, "I'm not a home wrecker. Some men are just available, whether they're married or not."

LOL, never heard that quote, but so Deneuve.

 

[amicus]

Perhaps you will permit a disagreement if couched in the abstract and not the personal realm?

If think the mystery in a woman lies not in her past, but in her gender and her comfort within the natural definition of 'feminine'.

Also from a 'writerly' aspect I think the mystery in the smile and eyes of the Mona Lisa, or the lovely innocence of a young Audrey Hepburn in "Roman Holiday", speaks more to the mystery of a woman than does her past sexual or romantic encounters.

The 'aura' surrounding some women have mystified mankind for ever. It is like in the eyes and the smile, they know secrets only women can know.

Cerise Noire, in another thread, spoke of a walk in the rain, for the pure, unadulterated physical and mental pleasure of being at one with nature. I suggest that women are more closely attuned to the senses, more open to succumbing to the seduction of the emotions than men and by that become mysterious in that very special way.

But then, what do I know, I am Amicus of course and the consensus is that I know nothing at all about anything.

Grins...




Ami

 

[Recidiva]

Rita Hayworth's real name was Margarita Carmen Cansino.

She changed her hair color and name and became a white chick.

I think she should have kept her past in her present.

And I think what a woman needs in order to be considered interesting is probably integrity. At least for me.

 

[CeriseNoire]

Ami, about the enjoyment of nature, I don't know. I'm not usually drawn to the outdoors, but I must say that when I feel drained, doing rather than thinking seems to do me good. On the other hand, dance has always made me feel good, and cool rain did add a nice touch, so perhaps you are right about the senses, at least in my case.

As for mystery, well there's something I know nothing about...

 

[amicus]

Hmmmm...how I enjoy some discussions.... you gave me a thought, perhaps women do not perceive that mystery in other women as men do...

Never considered that before, although both genders enjoy the Mona Lisa and I thought for the same reason...perhaps not..


amicus...

 

[Recidiva]

Hmmmm...how I enjoy some discussions.... you gave me a thought, perhaps women do not perceive that mystery in other women as men do...

Never considered that before, although both genders enjoy the Mona Lisa and I thought for the same reason...perhaps not..


amicus...

I don't really get the Mona Lisa. Sure, it's nice, I guess...

 

[CeriseNoire]

I do see mystery in some men, and in some women as well. I mean... that I've never seen mystery in myself, so I'd be hard pressed to tell where mystery comes from.

As for the Mona Lisa, I've always enjoyed it because of what's left unsaid, though I'm not sure that's related to the model's gender.

 

[CharleyH]

Perhaps you will permit a disagreement if couched in the abstract and not the personal realm?

If think the mystery in a woman lies not in her past, but in her gender and her comfort within the natural definition of 'feminine'.

Also from a 'writerly' aspect I think the mystery in the smile and eyes of the Mona Lisa, or the lovely innocence of a young Audrey Hepburn in "Roman Holiday", speaks more to the mystery of a woman than does her past sexual or romantic encounters.

The 'aura' surrounding some women have mystified mankind for ever. It is like in the eyes and the smile, they know secrets only women can know.

Cerise Noire, in another thread, spoke of a walk in the rain, for the pure, unadulterated physical and mental pleasure of being at one with nature. I suggest that women are more closely attuned to the senses, more open to succumbing to the seduction of the emotions than men and by that become mysterious in that very special way.

But then, what do I know, I am Amicus of course and the consensus is that I know nothing at all about anything.

Grins...




Ami

You can't really put your finger on the feminine, which is why you are afraid of it so often, Ami.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

As much as I like Rita Hayworth, I would disagree. A past is fascinating, and a reasure trove of stories and experiences makes for thrilling conversation, but there should also be her current thoughts on the world around her, her passions, her quirks, and of course the mystery.

36C's add a nice touch too.

 

[amicus]

You can't really put your finger on the feminine, which is why you are afraid of it so often, Ami.

~~~

Why, Charley, you little rascal, trying to get a rise out of me?

What on earth makes you say I have a 'fear of femininity'? I treat women with the same respect I do a poisonous snake, I handle them very carefully.

Amicus....still surviving in spite of a multitude of women...

 

[TitianaPeaks]

Well then, according to Rita, all women are interesting. Some people's past is more colorful than others, I suppose.

Honestly, to irreplaceable, one must be different, in my view.....

 

[BonsaiBeauty]

Sadness, Beauty, Faces

Thanks for all the lovely and insightful comments on mystery and femininity.


7/31/07
Sadness, Beauty, Faces

I have noticed that somehow the faces that truly move me are faces seasoned with sadness. This is not to say that I delight in sadness or that I find it a desirable state. Yet, when I try to trace the similarities, if there are any, in the faces of women I find striking, there seems to be some deep sense of yearning, of loss, of uncertainty in their eyes. Whatever that something is, it makes me want to love them, to look at them on and on, to get inside them somehow metaphysically.

In Asian cultures, beauty and sadness are closely linked. The Japanese have a name for it in art and poetry. It is "aware" (pronounced ah-wah-ree) and it refers to the connection between beauty, sadness, and the awareness of ephemeral experience. A perfect example of this is found in the sakura tree (cherry blossom), which is often used metaphorically to refer to the brevity of life and the fragile beauty of existence.

As in the temporal beauty of the sakura, I love the exquisite temporal beauty shadowed by sadness in some women's faces.

 

[amicus]

Thanks for all the lovely and insightful comments on mystery and femininity.


7/31/07
Sadness, Beauty, Faces

I have noticed that somehow the faces that truly move me are faces seasoned with sadness. This is not to say that I delight in sadness or that I find it a desirable state. Yet, when I try to trace the similarities, if there are any, in the faces of women I find striking, there seems to be some deep sense of yearning, of loss, of uncertainty in their eyes. Whatever that something is, it makes me want to love them, to look at them on and on, to get inside them somehow metaphysically.

In Asian cultures, beauty and sadness are closely linked. The Japanese have a name for it in art and poetry. It is "aware" (pronounced ah-wah-ree) and it refers to the connection between beauty, sadness, and the awareness of ephemeral experience. A perfect example of this is found in the sakura tree (cherry blossom), which is often used metaphorically to refer to the brevity of life and the fragile beauty of existence.

As in the temporal beauty of the sakura, I love the exquisite temporal beauty shadowed by sadness in some women's faces.

~~~

Those are some lovely and thoughtful sentiments...but I would not write them concerning the essential mystery of a woman.

Perhaps in Asian cultures sadness is associated with beauty, but not mine. I do not see the sadness, rather an insouciance, a mild amusement, an acceptance of the beauty and the poise and the nature of womanhood.

I am sure that millions of words have been written concerning the Mona Lisa's mysterious and all knowing slight curl of the lip indicating a smile beginning or ending, or...?

My particular, personal concept involves the symbolic abstractions of all that is good and kind and gentle and caring and compassionate and understanding that is essentially and only feminine in nature.

So...BonsaiBeauty, with a whole 27 posts to your pseudonym, who might ye be...and why...?

Welcome to the fray.

Amicus...

 

[cloudy]

So...BonsaiBeauty, with a whole 27 posts to your pseudonym, who might ye be...and why...?

Amicus...

She's a newbie. Stop being so damned paranoid.

 

[amicus]

[QUOTE=cloudy]She's a newbie. Stop being so damned paranoid. [/QUOTE]

~~~

Thank you for the link, Cloudy, I saw her original post but not the follow ups...

Paranoid? Not necessarily so...I was just curious as to the source of her Asian insight to beauty and sadness, and the 'Bonsai'...you seem to look for any occasion to pounce, I think you like me...(grins)

Amicus...

 

[BonsaiBeauty]

"I was just curious as to the source of her Asian insight to beauty and sadness, and the 'Bonsai'".....


Well, as to my Asian insight, it just comes from immersing myself in Japanese culture for a time. I was in love with a Japanese painter who I went to college with. He was from Yokahama and such a delight to know and love. I fell for him and for the culture altogether. As to the "Bonsai" portion of my name, it merely designates that I'm a petite "beauty."

 

[amicus]

"I was just curious as to the source of her Asian insight to beauty and sadness, and the 'Bonsai'".....


Well, as to my Asian insight, it just comes from immersing myself in Japanese culture for a time. I was in love with a Japanese painter who I went to college with. He was from Yokahama and such a delight to know and love. I fell for him and for the culture altogether. As to the "Bonsai" portion of my name, it merely designates that I'm a petite "beauty."

~~~

Works for me....I was...ah, had a relationship, with a gal from Yokosuka, in Hawaii, but the Bonsai, was from the Karate Kid, part one or two, dunno...

But Japanese culture never became attractive to me, the women were just a tad too submissive...

smiles...

amicus...

 

[BonsaiBeauty]

Interesting. I can see your thoughts on the submissive aspect of some Japanese women. My painter boyfriend was simply wonderful though, and so were his two sisters who I came to know and love. They taught me more about spirituality, love, temporal beauty, true sensual depth, stillness and peace than any people I have ever known. To this day, I practice the meditative work they taught me and it keeps my mind clear and my outlook usually rather blissful.

 

[Salvor-Hardon]

Interesting. I can see your thoughts on the submissive aspect of some Japanese women. My painter boyfriend was simply wonderful though, and so were his two sisters who I came to know and love. They taught me more about spirituality, love, temporal beauty, true sensual depth, stillness and peace than any people I have ever known. To this day, I practice the meditative work they taught me and it keeps my mind clear and my outlook usually rather blissful.

when you have a moment and the words are right...... I for one would love to hear your insight into any and all of those topics

 

[CeriseNoire]

Too submissive, Ami?

You're full of surprises...

 

[amicus]

Too submissive, Ami?

You're full of surprises...

~~~

Chuckles....assumptions...the old canard, assume ass...u...me...., "Woman on Top", a Penelope Cruse(sp) movie an object lesson.

Most males of an intellectual bent find intelligent, witty, knowledgeable women, very attractive. Submissive refers not only to sexuality, but to intellect and basic 'will' in terms of self esteem.

Intelligent males do not seek to 'dominate' in the 'submissive' sense, only to realize and experience the marvelous gender differences that exist naturally.

None of us are born with the knowledge of our gender parameters, we discover them along the way, either by accepting or rejecting and assertions of individual choice and will.

For the purposes of writing and comprehension, I attempt to generalize such things, a difficult task at best, an impossible one at worst.

And the mixture of all that is... a writer's paradise.

Amicus...

 

[CeriseNoire]

Yes, assumptions indeed, though I was being mostly facetious Just enjoying being playful before it's time to return to work.

Now I didn't think you meant sexual submission only. It just often seems those women who who come across as intelligent or witty are banded 'masculine'.

I'm not one to deny differences, and generalizations are a useful skill. It's simply when we get into the realm of overgeneralization that I raise an eyebrow.

But I'll agree that the observation of the Other and attempts to delve into what makes them tick make writing such a pleasure.