AI or LLM

[SmoothLovergentleman]

Hi so I am totally against plagiarism or anything of that sort and I am of the belief an author's idea is theirs unless they give permission or sell it outright. But I want to know from the community how they use and incorporate AI or LLM in their works, I'm new on Lit as a writer, but as a writer and a tech enthusiast for many years I also recognise the huge potential for LLM to help us give richer and possibly more vibrant stories.

So for instance I've been experimenting with having AI write paragraphs of my story as a framework of how I want the story to flow (reduce writers block) and then I go in and edit it extensively (using my own personal toutch and using the correct information i.e metric if imperial is used or whereby more information is needed I would research bit on my own and then add it.

It this stil seen as Just an AI story or is it truly omy own?

Hoping for positive and critical responses, please do not be abusive as I have a lot of respect for some writers on lit and have so for years.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

I think you'll find the stuff your AI 'helper' creates will be drivel that you don't want to emulate. Working that way also limits your creativity. I tried to use it to plot potential chapter plot points for a novel outline I'd like to do thinking it might offer ideas I hadn't thought of. The results were unusable.

Plain and simple, don't.

 

[MrPixel]

Plain and simple, don't.

"Don't" is right.

AI/LLM is prohibited on LitE, and if detected (some will assert "over-detected"), your story(ies) will be rejected. Even using AI-based tools such as Grammerly and the writing assistant apparently incorporated in the current MSWord to "help" your copy will leave tracks that are detectable as AI.

Write? Absolutely. Use your own words. Just don't get sucked into the concept that AI might do a better job. It doesn't.

 

[ADirtyPerv]

I use AI very specifically to write at work. It's good for delivering the same words repeatedly, with updated counts and specific caveats. But if you want to tell a story of any particular merit... Well, why would the AI know anything about the character dreamt up in your heart and put to the page by your fingertips? Characters may often be a generic combination of tropes, but they're your unique combination. All AI does is approximate something that resembles a combination made by a random collection of authors in the past. That's not your vision. It's an amalgamation to be destroyed.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Experimenting with slamming your keyboard with a 4 pound sledge will get you just as far here.

 

[StillStunned]

Hi so I am totally against plagiarism or anything of that sort and I am of the belief an author's idea is theirs unless they give permission or sell it outright.

Even besides Lit's rules, LLMs use massive volumes of stolen works by other authors and artists. If you use GenAI, you're condoning that theft.

If you wouldn't want your own work stolen, don't use tools that rely on stealing other people's work.

 

[SmoothLovergentleman]

I think you'll find the stuff your AI 'helper' creates will be drivel that you don't want to emulate. Working that way also limits your creativity. I tried to use it to plot potential chapter plot points for a novel outline I'd like to do thinking it might offer ideas I hadn't thought of. The results were unusable.

Plain and simple, don't.

drivel is right, hence why I use it an idea voard, especially when I'm experiencing writers block for a particular scene im stuck at and then I go and edit it heavily using the words and phrases I want

 

[SmoothLovergentleman]

I use AI very specifically to write at work. It's good for delivering the same words repeatedly, with updated counts and specific caveats. But if you want to tell a story of any particular merit... Well, why would the AI know anything about the character dreamt up in your heart and put to the page by your fingertips? Characters may often be a generic combination of tropes, but they're your unique combination. All AI does is approximate something that resembles a combination made by a random collection of authors in the past. That's not your vision. It's an amalgamation to be destroyed.

Yeah you are right. although I'm not saying I'm using the text in the prompt, so with characters and situations, I end up rewriting a lot of their dialogue and background information, I do like using ai for certain tidbits of information that I totally leave or forget. Said in another comment to someone else about it add scenic information about a mountain which is very prominent in my city and I totally forgot about it, sat stunned that I forgot about it. (literally can see it from my window as I type this reply), so maybe it's not as useless as we authors claim it to be?

Experimenting with slamming your keyboard with a 4 pound sledge will get you just as far here.

I recently experimented and it added useful scenic information about a mountain That you can see from almost anywhere in my city and I literally sat there stunned because I didn't even think about writing it in.

Even besides Lit's rules, LLMs use massive volumes of stolen works by other authors and artists. If you use GenAI, you're condoning that theft.

If you wouldn't want your own work stolen, don't use tools that rely on stealing other people's work.

Didn't think about that you are right in that respect. I forgot about the lawsuit that a publisher recently won. So there is that ethical responsibility to think about.

 

[ADirtyPerv]

I recently experimented and it added useful scenic information about a mountain That you can see from almost anywhere in my city and I literally sat there stunned because I didn't even think about writing it in.

Right. You didn't think about writing it in. The choices an author makes, or the things they omit, even subconsciously, add texture to their story. Not every East Bay story needs to mention Mount Diablo, just as not every story set in Japan needs a Mount Fuji reference.

If you're writing a piece that is deeply saturated in the landscape, it makes sense, but even then... As long as you're telling it true to the landscape as you experience it, that's fully valid. I could gush for an hour about the East Bay, and I wouldn't necessarily need to mention that mountain that only looks like a pair of tits as long as you drive at it on highway 4 West from Tracy. I could mention it, and maybe AI would because it's so...boobily, and in your face. But I don't necessarily have to. It's my choice as an author, and it's your job as the author to make those choices, even unconsciously.

 

[onehitwanda]

I recently experimented and it added useful scenic information about a mountain That you can see from almost anywhere in my city and I literally sat there stunned because I didn't even think about writing it in..

If you didn't think about it, then it was irrelevant to the story.

 

[HotCosmo]

The use I made of AI. "Hey Chatti, there is this word that means 'x' and sound something similar to 'y', be awere that I'm spanish so I'm probably making the phonetic in base to my lenguaje."

And yes, I don't correct the spelling errors. Sometimes it get it right, sometimes not, but when I'm at this point in pure desperation after try and try again to write that word that I almost remember but not completely

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I recently experimented and it added useful scenic information about a mountain That you can see from almost anywhere in my city and I literally sat there stunned because I didn't even think about writing it in.

But some other writer, or writers did and the Bot snatched and reorganized their words.

 

[RocketGrunt]

My suggestion is: Do Not.

The LLMs generate text that is below professional grade, which might be OK for amateur or student work, but definitely would not be good enough if you wanted to move forward with writing.

In addition, LLMs frequently just fuck up and hallucinate or drop in "tells" that offend readers. So working LLMs into your work has a very real chance of just burning your reputation to the ground. Real example: one of the Omegaverse books "by" Jesse Pack ended up with an LLM prompt in the text and now everyone gives 1 star reviews to the book and everything the author has ever made is being subject to stink eye scrutiny.

What should you do instead? Do lots of research on Wikipedia. I'm not kidding. Working wikipedia facts into your story makes it sound like you care, while having AI writing in your story makes it sound like you don't.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Hi so I am totally against plagiarism or anything of that sort and I am of the belief an author's idea is theirs unless they give permission or sell it outright. But I want to know from the community how they use and incorporate AI or LLM in their works, I'm new on Lit as a writer, but as a writer and a tech enthusiast for many years I also recognise the huge potential for LLM to help us give richer and possibly more vibrant stories.

Not seen any evidence of that yet. AI might be fine for bland business oriented writing, but creatively? It's bland, featureless, repetitive, dull...

So for instance I've been experimenting with having AI write paragraphs of my story as a framework of how I want the story to flow (reduce writers block) and then I go in and edit it extensively (using my own personal toutch and using the correct information i.e metric if imperial is used or whereby more information is needed I would research bit on my own and then add it.

It this stil seen as Just an AI story or is it truly omy own?

It's still AI, in terms of this site's content policies. It's a really big no.

Hoping for positive and critical responses, please do not be abusive as I have a lot of respect for some writers on lit and have so for years.

If you've respected those writers for years, you've seen their creativity long before AI arrived on the scene. I'd be surprised if those writers even bother with AI.

I suggest you peruse the multiplicity of threads here in the AH over the last couple of years, to gauge this microcosm's views on the use of AI. There are a few advocates, but not many.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

There are a few advocates, but not many.

The only ones I've noticed appeared to be Bots themselves.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

The LLMs generate text that is below professional grade, which might be OK for amateur or student work, but definitely would not be good enough if you wanted to move forward with writing.

I don't disagree, but "professional grade" is not what many writers strive for here. I wish more would.

What should you do instead? Do lots of research on Wikipedia. I'm not kidding. Working wikipedia facts into your story makes it sound like you care, while having AI writing in your story makes it sound like you don't.

Too much of Wikipedia today is also GenAI, so be careful and cross-check important details from there.

My recommendation to the OP would be to identify other writers that they admire, and delve deeply into their works. You don't have to copy their work to embrace their POV, style, pace, use of vocabulary, or simply derive ideas from them.

Finally, don't be scared off from the use of AI as a "tool" in support of your writing quality. There is a difference between "assistive" AI and "generative" AI. Spelling and grammar check features are examples of assistive AI and are allowed when used correctly. Let these features identify mistakes, but don't allow them to correct them for you and you should be fine.

 

[StillStunned]

I suggest you peruse the multiplicity of threads here in the AH over the last couple of years, to gauge this microcosm's views on the use of AI. There are a few advocates, but not many.

Better yet, read some of the threads about writing as a craft, and learn to do it without relying on unethical and subpar crutches.

 

[ElectricBlue]

The only ones I've noticed appeared to be Bots themselves.

There have been a couple of early adopters who used AI as a adjunct to mental health therapy, a hazardous proposal at the best of times, and one or two seeking self-affirmation for their writing. Equally dubious. I sense that they've subsequently developed better bullshit filters, but one can never be sure.