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bg23 said:what's your take on it?
what do you define it as?
do you support it?
why - why not?
You mean like hiring minorities just because they're minorities and not because they're the best person for a position?bg23 said:what's your take on it?
what do you define it as?
do you support it?
why - why not?
bg23 said:what's your take on it?
what do you define it as?
do you support it?
why - why not?
GirlMidnite said:It's an unfair advantage to favour those who would otherwise be at an unfair disadvantage. That is my take. I am in favour of it in societies which have such an ingrained problem with prejudice that they need a measure such as this to ensure social discontent is not the alternative option.
(ps, we have equal opportunities, but not affirmitive action in the UK- there is no obligation by law to employ/enrol a quota of minorities. But the UK is not such a prejudice society, or at least, prejudice is different from the US.)
GirlMidnite said:(ps, we have equal opportunities, but not affirmitive action in the UK- there is no obligation by law to employ/enrol a quota of minorities. But the UK is not such a prejudice society, or at least, prejudice is different from the US.)
bg23 said:what's your take on it?
what do you define it as?
do you support it?
why - why not?
Morwen said:The UK is a joke. "Let's double our population through immigration on an entirely unsustainable economic system. Oh and by the way, let's have the most radical, anti-Western Islamist preachers come here and make nothing but newspapers and terrorists."
Scotland, Wales, and Ireland should immediately sever all ties with the eventual Civil War of a society that is the UK.
SweetSurrendered1 said:I think it once had its place but I think that time has come and gone. It's harmful to a company to have people in a job that they can't handle and that's harmful to the employees of the company and that's harmful to the economy eventually. Doesn't end up doing anyone any good.
Really? I'm no employer, but I thought affirmative action meant THOU SHALT EMPLOY 17 AFRICAN AMERICANS, 32 WOMEN, 9 DISABLED PEOPLE (OR ELSE).GirlMidnite said:Has this been shown to actually be the case? The point of affirmitive action is that because someone begins at a lower social level, with less opportunities, a job offers them the chance to fulfill their potential. If they cannot, yeah, fire 'em women, black, disabled or whatever. But affirmitive action presents an opportunity, if someone is unable to realise that opportunity then that opportunity ought to be offered to someone else.
Affirmitive action has helped to propogate a black elite, that will ensure that affirmitive action will be made socioeconomically redundant in the future.
SweetSurrendered1 said:I think it once had its place but I think that time has come and gone. It's harmful to a company to have people in a job that they can't handle and that's harmful to the employees of the company and that's harmful to the economy eventually. Doesn't end up doing anyone any good.
GirlMidnite said:er okay, well I wonder what your take on a multiethnic society is (seeing as this is what this debate implies.)
To be fair, there does need to be a better immigration system, and they are socking this in place- however they need immigrants because a lot more Brits leave than come in (or at least, this was the case in the late 90's), and many Brits are not having children, the population demographics are looking older and older. Hence us younger Brits receiving letters about 3-6 yrs late from an ashamed government saying that we need to pay more national insurance to ensure a sufficient pension.
And to be fair, there simply are not that many anti-western Islamic preachers coming in, they just get a lot of publicity.
bg23 said:what's your take on it?
what do you define it as?
do you support it?
why - why not?
Morwen said:The problem is a Green one. The mantra of constant construction, constant population growth, constant economic expansion is hitting the wall. It is patently idiotic to constantly import more people onto an island with a played out resource base. To import people who hate everything you stand for and will replace it with some medieval ideology is criminally negligent.
I'm not in one post going to be explain the complete unsustainability of American-style growth capitalism. No doubt you see it all around you, higher fuel prices, higher food prices, more traffic on the roads, more crime, reduced quality of life. But Britain is acting exactly like America.
You want more of this why?
Morwen said:The problem is a Green one. The mantra of constant construction, constant population growth, constant economic expansion is hitting the wall. It is patently idiotic to constantly import more people onto an island with a played out resource base. To import people who hate everything you stand for and will replace it with some medieval ideology is criminally negligent.
I'm not in one post going to be explain the complete unsustainability of American-style growth capitalism. No doubt you see it all around you, higher fuel prices, higher food prices, more traffic on the roads, more crime, reduced quality of life. But Britain is acting exactly like America.
You want more of this why?
dagdag said:economics is the study of how men choose to use scarce resources and to distribute them among... Unsustainability may be discussed or perhaps at the cost of other people's well beings, we are consuming the most resources. But one factor in GDP product is increasing the population... Or the other way around; Look at negative growth european countries... Elementary schools are closing since there are no students to attend, ie no jobs for the teachers.. no market for johnson and johnson's baby shampoos, well lets get creative and sell the same product to older people who may want to feel like a baby... it is never easy, it is never simple, it is always gray, and it is always complicated...
Marxist said:By and large, #1 beneficiary of affirmitive action has been white women.
unculbact said:All my rational brain can think of is, that you have an affirmative action plan so that you will no longer need it. Obviously, it's supposed to be a temporary thing to correct a problem, but in many places it's become institutionalized. The affirmative action officer at a university doesn't want their job to fall victim to any sort of "sunset law", so, even if the problem is solved, they have a motivation to find yet new "discriminations" that can be corrected. This reached the point of absurdity in an incident at the University of Minnesota Department of Scandanavian Studies in the early 1990's.
Using my semi-rational brain, a diversity class will certainly warn you that diverse is yet to come...
Using my non-rational brain, BG's av is inspiring me to action, and I can guarantee her response would be affirmative.