Advice needed please?

[DaddysLittleGrrrl]

This is a bit wordy I know I apologize in advance, but really do need help.

It's only been a little over a year since I discovered I have, well, submissive tendencies, I suppose you could say. My husband's not interested in dominating, but told me I could ask advice. I met someone online to talk to about it when he contacted me after reading one of my stories, and he ended up being a wonderful teacher- of sorts. We started playing together online as he taught me about the lifestyle and led me down this path. I'd never done anything like it before, never even dreamed of such things. He'd sent me a contract to look over, and we discussed it. I was wary at first, told him I wasn't interested in playing mind games, but he assured me that wasn't his thing. In the beginning, everything was pretty good- scary as heck for a girl with little experience, but fun and enlightening. Over the summer though, things began to taper off. Just when I'd about give up on him, he'd catch me online and tell me he'd been moving, starting a new job, etc. and that he was sorry he'd been ignoring me.

Anyway, he'd set me little assignments. Asked me to take pictures for him, to play by myself daily, but I wasn't allowed to come. Oh, and I was to send him daily emails describing just how I'd been playing. Doesn't sound like much I guess, but I hate being in front of the camera, and I've a problem using... we'll say, coarse language. (Ever tried to describe it without using four letter words? It's tricky, even more so trying to make it still arousing) He even convinced me to buy some... toys. But then it'd be weeks before I'd hear from him again. Weeks of me playing daily with no relief, or even any encouragement. No responses to my silly daily reports, no seeing him online. Maybe a message left for me on Messenger every so often, usually growling about why I wasn't online (left during work hours so of course I wouldn't be there) but that'd be it. I'd been talking to him for about nine months at this point.

Then a week ago I found out he's got another girl, and that he's in love. It's not that he has another girl that bugs me most- it's that he's apparently had her for several months now. So at least the long absences were explained, though he'd given me a different reason for them. While I think it's wonderful that he's found someone who can actually be there with him rather than just online, someone he truly loves, I couldn't help thinking it was unfair to both of us. And I didn't want to hurt her- it's not her fault- but I refuse to poach. I wouldn't want her to find out he and I have been playing for longer than they've been together, so I told him that I'd have to stop.

So anyway, all this time I'd been trying to be good, following "Daddy's" instructions, taking the silly pictures, writing reports that make me blush, and so on. I think that had I not found out or said anything we'd still be playing the game, despite his new love. Sorry, a bit of bitterness is creeping in here I know. I hate being made to feel stupid, but I guess I really should have known something was up.

Which brings me to now. He's taught me all kinds of new things, introduced me to this path that I'm feeling is natural and right for me, but now I'm confused. Is this how online things usually are or will go? Is there normally a lot of imbalance like this, or did I just get lucky? I can't regret the time I've known him, for it did help me figure out some things, but I definitely got myself too tangled up in him and don't want to make the same mistakes again. Or am I being unreasonable? Maybe I ought to just try and get my husband interested in being dominant again. lol. Anyone have any suggestions to get that to work?

Anyway, thanks in advance.
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[Chicklet]

What does your husband think about this?

I think that no matter what kind of relationship you've been involved in with someone, online, in person, whatever, the discovery that you've been deceived or lied to, and then pushed aside, is devestating. I feel for you there.

I also wonder if it was satisfying to you to have this online only affair. It sounds like it was, but will it always be? Do you think you'd like to carry this thing out in real life, away from the computer? And what will your husband think of that?

If this is such a serious thing for you, and you want to stay with your husband and not pursue a D/s relationship outside of your marriage, I'd suggest telling your husband what you want, and how important it is to your sexuality. Most men seem willing to flex sexually to satisfy the needs of the person they love.

Luck wished your way.

 

[neonflux]

Hey Daddyslittlegrrrl, can't give you advice about online stuff, so will leave that to others with experience. (Although I do have to say a betrayal is a betrayal regardless of whether it happens online or in RL.) Regarding your husband, my primary also isn't into most aspects of BDSM - try this thread - really helpful advice:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=200608

Neon

P.S., My goes out to you for what you're going through right now.

 

[Betticus]

That really sucks.

 

[boobsqueeezer]

Is this how online things usually are or will go?

Anyway, thanks in advance.
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This is a thread about Online-Domination:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=474229

Now to your situation, I empathise with your situation that many times this is what happens!

Possibly you should define the limits first before going online. It is but natural for a person to go into r/l (bdsm or vanilla) and choose it over online! I guess these should be talked before you start the relationship itself...atleast the next time! A person cannot and should NOT be denied the r/l relationship because of the online commitment (either PYT/pyt) and so this must be discussed as to what should be the action when it does occur.

So, you can even choose that the person reveals the truth and that further continuation only and only if the partner consents (possibly you talk/chat with the partner for confirmation!). When you have been frank about your husband and being into this with your husband's permission ...is it wrong to expect the same out of the PYT?

Trust and honesty are more significant in this relationship especially when it is Online more than r/l since there is NO physical presence and lots of chances to 'go loose' and just lie!

It is easy to be a player online but it is very hard to be D/s online unless both show the commitment-which is possible only when both are genuinely interested. This person should have come up with the truth even before you found it out, I feel. Isnt this all about respect, trust and truthfulness? This is the basis of relationship!

But, in this relationship per se, it is 'what both define and decide' rather than universal hard set of rules and regulations. Next time just be careful and discuss about these possibilities and possibly even more... like for eg' what would your decision be if he later chooses a r/l partner etc....would you continue or terminate after that .. and would you be allowed a r/l partner and would you stop after you get a r/l PYT!And so on.....

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Now to the Q-> about bringing in your husband into it....yes it is one of the safest thing to do....since commitment already exists. It is obvious that he cares for your feelings since he let you explore your submissiveness. So, you can possibly use what you learnt to lead him into it.....(some consider this topping but whatever... it is.. it is NOT wrong to be in an advisory/guiding role at the beginning). You can also get some advices, suggestions online to get this to work! If needed you can get some trainer Online or r/l to help your husband to Dom over you .... But the discussion boards are quite filled with advices and real people in the lifestyle who would gladly help you and even your husband!

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Boobsqueeezer

 

[Betticus]

Maybe you can lead him into being more dominant but be careful with it. Forcing a non-dominant person to take a dominant role can work for short term or scenes but the stress will show through eventually.

Of course, you could just think through how you would like to be taken and then throw him down and fuck him like that. You have to tell him that's what you want him to do afterwards though.

 

[boobsqueeezer]

Although I do have to say a betrayal is a betrayal regardless of whether it happens online or in RL

*agrees...

Commitment, truthfulness, honesty and control are common whether it is online or r/l. And when you give your full self into it ... it is but natural that you expect the same from the other side....and it is absolutely right to expect so! I expect the same dedication and so I am ready to give the same.....and is frank about everything including what is to be expected when I get ahead with my career or My life! I have discussed this with My new Online slave and we are now explorng more before I finally will collar her formally with My slave collar!

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Boobsqueeezer

 

[the captians wench]

Maybe you can lead him into being more dominant but be careful with it. Forcing a non-dominant person to take a dominant role can work for short term or scenes but the stress will show through eventually.

Of course, you could just think through how you would like to be taken and then throw him down and fuck him like that. You have to tell him that's what you want him to do afterwards though.

This is very true. My ex did things that forced me into the dominant role in our relationship and I was stressed all the time. I get that way now too as I'm in an athority position at work and some times if I don't get some subbie time I get so stressed I just want to curl in a ball and hide. not good.

 

[human_male]

Online friendships of any kind are a crap shoot. I haven't had much luck either. I can think of two over the years that I would say were worthwhile but neither lasted as long as nine months. Mostly what happens is someone PMs me, there's a bit of back and forth, and then they suddenly stop responding. I try to be philosophical about it... people have busy lives, people meet other people and so forth, but when it just kept happening it started to really get me down. A lot of the time the person had encouraged me to talk about my problems and tell me what was bothering me and I'd never hear from them again. It made me worry that I'd said something wrong, not to mention hurt that I'd poured my heart out and then been snubbed. Most of the time it wouldn't have bothered me but I really needed a friend, and someone to talk to, and I decided it was better to not keep getting my hopes up so I turned off my PMs.

I shouldn't use other people's posts to moan about it but maybe it'll help to find you're not alone in having online blues.

I think you should definately put this particular episode behind you and keep trying (and ignore him if you hear from him again). There seems to be a pretty great community right here, you're bound to meet someone (tutor or friend or whatever it is you're looking for). And after that last guy it can only get better.

I'm just curious though... it didn't sound like you actually enjoyed it very much, like the pictures and all the other things he had you doing. Why did you keep doing it?

You could also try talking to your husband again. Maybe he's got a certain idea of what "dominating" means in his head, and he might find what you actually want is far less extreme, and that he'd be ok with it. I'm just guessing there though obviously, but you won't know until you talk to him about it.

Good luck anyways.

 

[Auraka6669]

That sucks. But it serves a point, communication and honesty are the foundation of ANY relationship. Not all online relationships end up this way, so chin up. You'll get what you're after if you really want it.

 

[Kajira Callista]

I don't mean to sound overly rude but I do believe that what you put out in life you get back. Your hubby wasn't interested so you head for the computer to get what you want whether he approves or not, then you are sad because someone did the same thing to you but in reverse.
I may be reading this wrong but that is what I am getting from it.

 

[DaddysLittleGrrrl]

Thanks everyone for your advice and kindness so far. And for the links too- I'll be sure to read them.

Maybe I should have explained a bit better. My husband is the love of my life- my knight in shining armor. But he doesn't quite understand why sometimes I wish he'd... um... I don't know, wear the armor to bed? He treats me like glass, and always like a lady. Don't get me wrong, I love the way he loves me. Sometimes though, one just gets tired of being a lady and making all the decisions. I'm just another of those 'in charge at work' girls who doesn't want to be at home, only I didn't really understand why until 'Daddy' explained. My husband also seems to enjoy it most when I'm the bossy one. Which can be fun of course, but not really what I apparently crave. I wouldn't ever be able to do anything real life, and 'Daddy' knew that up front. He mentioned it a few times, but never really pushed anything.

As for whether I enjoyed it... the photos I came not to mind much, though they were sometimes hard to take when I wasn't alone. (Always sent the pics to my husband though first for the most part) The rest I enjoyed in bits and pieces. A few things made me entirely uncomfortable, but I did them anyway. He was not very demanding at all, and patient- to an extent at any rate. What I liked most though was knowing that I'd pleased him, him pushing at a few boundaries. There was something almost freeing about it, like a purpose being filled. Maybe I'm just bizarre, I don't know. Certainly confused though.

 

[Amity]

Trust... it is very diffult to trust someone face to face. While I realize we can feel at times that we can get close to someone online, for some of us, if not most, do tend to type our thoughts better, more detailed, then if we were to speak them. However, it is also easier to lie.

You would probably find a lot more guys wanting to get their rocks off fast and easy on sites like these, especially when they start asking you for photos and such. Not all are like that, some are maybe looking for actually relationship, but that isnt what you were looking for, therefore it isnt what you found.

I am in the same boat as you. My husband is somewhat vanilla, but he will do anything to make me happy, and I am at this point where I told him what would make me happy. The book "The Loving Dominant" was suggested to me, which I am almost done reading, and my husband agreed to read it. Perhaps you could try the same?

 

[sexychik69]

This is a bit wordy I know I apologize in advance, but really do need help.

It's only been a little over a year since I discovered I have, well, submissive tendencies, I suppose you could say. My husband's not interested in dominating, but told me I could ask advice. I met someone online to talk to about it when he contacted me after reading one of my stories, and he ended up being a wonderful teacher- of sorts. We started playing together online as he taught me about the lifestyle and led me down this path. I'd never done anything like it before, never even dreamed of such things. He'd sent me a contract to look over, and we discussed it. I was wary at first, told him I wasn't interested in playing mind games, but he assured me that wasn't his thing. In the beginning, everything was pretty good- scary as heck for a girl with little experience, but fun and enlightening. Over the summer though, things began to taper off. Just when I'd about give up on him, he'd catch me online and tell me he'd been moving, starting a new job, etc. and that he was sorry he'd been ignoring me.

Anyway, he'd set me little assignments. Asked me to take pictures for him, to play by myself daily, but I wasn't allowed to come. Oh, and I was to send him daily emails describing just how I'd been playing. Doesn't sound like much I guess, but I hate being in front of the camera, and I've a problem using... we'll say, coarse language. (Ever tried to describe it without using four letter words? It's tricky, even more so trying to make it still arousing) He even convinced me to buy some... toys. But then it'd be weeks before I'd hear from him again. Weeks of me playing daily with no relief, or even any encouragement. No responses to my silly daily reports, no seeing him online. Maybe a message left for me on Messenger every so often, usually growling about why I wasn't online (left during work hours so of course I wouldn't be there) but that'd be it. I'd been talking to him for about nine months at this point.

Then a week ago I found out he's got another girl, and that he's in love. It's not that he has another girl that bugs me most- it's that he's apparently had her for several months now. So at least the long absences were explained, though he'd given me a different reason for them. While I think it's wonderful that he's found someone who can actually be there with him rather than just online, someone he truly loves, I couldn't help thinking it was unfair to both of us. And I didn't want to hurt her- it's not her fault- but I refuse to poach. I wouldn't want her to find out he and I have been playing for longer than they've been together, so I told him that I'd have to stop.

So anyway, all this time I'd been trying to be good, following "Daddy's" instructions, taking the silly pictures, writing reports that make me blush, and so on. I think that had I not found out or said anything we'd still be playing the game, despite his new love. Sorry, a bit of bitterness is creeping in here I know. I hate being made to feel stupid, but I guess I really should have known something was up.

Which brings me to now. He's taught me all kinds of new things, introduced me to this path that I'm feeling is natural and right for me, but now I'm confused. Is this how online things usually are or will go? Is there normally a lot of imbalance like this, or did I just get lucky? I can't regret the time I've known him, for it did help me figure out some things, but I definitely got myself too tangled up in him and don't want to make the same mistakes again. Or am I being unreasonable? Maybe I ought to just try and get my husband interested in being dominant again. lol. Anyone have any suggestions to get that to work?

Anyway, thanks in advance.
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I haven't read the other replies on here but I'll just put in my two cents.

Online relationships are extremely hard to maintain, especially in the BDSM world. I'm honestly speaking from experience here, and I wouldn't recommend it to any new sub/slave. You've had the unfortunate "luck" of having to experience the difficulties that normally come with relationships and I'm sorry that you have. *hugs*

The problem with online is that a BDSM relationship requires so much more attention than normal relationships. It requires more focus, more affection (in most cases), more time, and just more cooperation from each side of the relationship... you can't manage all of those extra things online these days, with jobs and families in the background. The relationship becomes the background and then can never mature.

My recommendation for the future is to try to seek out maybe a local scene that you can get involved in. Now that you know the "tricks of the trade", you'll be able to step in there knowing what might happen and can jump right in there and join a group in play, or perhaps get a one on one relationship from someone interested in you there.

The point is that you learn from this and now you can hold your head up high knowing you're moving forward in the BDSM realm. You'll be welcomed by many.

 

[myinnerslut]

while i cant say i entirely relate to your situation.. i do empathize with a good portion of it. im not in an online relation, but a LDR, which at times seems just as bad. Sir has me send him reports of any time i had played with myself that day, crude language and all. i almost never find out what he thought of them or when he reads them, though he assures me he does read all of them. waiting is a bitch. not knowing is a bitch. and feeling foolish doing something that he commanded is a pain.

oh, and if you guys hadnt talked about seeing other people, id see that as cheating.

 

[FurryFury]

<snip> Is this how online things usually are or will go?

Is there normally a lot of imbalance like this, or did I just get lucky?

I can't regret the time I've known him, for it did help me figure out some things, but I definitely got myself too tangled up in him and don't want to make the same mistakes again. Or am I being unreasonable?

Maybe I ought to just try and get my husband interested in being dominant again. lol. Anyone have any suggestions to get that to work?

<snip>]What I liked most though was knowing that I'd pleased him, him pushing at a few boundaries. There was something almost freeing about it, like a purpose being filled. Maybe I'm just bizarre, I don't know. Certainly confused though.

Okay for brevity, I've taken the parts of two posts you made that seem to call for a response I hope you don't mind.

Online relationships, D/s or not, cyber or not tend to be transitory from what I've seen and experienced. People are busy and have short attention spans. If they are not busy then they tend to be the type to stay at home at the computer which is a whole different problem believe me. Life in fact tends to run in cycles in my opinion.

If you are not looking to take this into RL, then it takes a very special and loyal person to stick with you. That person must want the D/s in his life as much as you and not want to take it into RL. I think it's pretty damn rare to be honest but worth looking for if you feel a need for it. Personally, sending pictures of my "pink bits" (ick!) or my face is one of my limits. The second I might break if I get to know and trust some one. The first, well only my husband gets to look at my bits, God knows I don't want to look at them or anyone else's, Shank's excepted.

It's extremely important IMO to ask the other person, what is it that you want or need out of this? I didn't do that in my first online D/s relationship and I think that was a huge mistake. I was all starry eyed and took everything on faith. I liked doing that. It made everything feel right and exciting but then he went AWOL. There was no word or explanation. That makes closure hard.

Most on the online relationships I've had tend to end or drift off with no explanation but I must admit most explanations (of the few I've gotten) don't seem to be "right" to me either. *L*

But it could be worse, some have gotten down right angry, even they said suicidal because I wouldn't let them own me or break my limits. That is even worse for me at least.

Now I'm in a relationship in which he tells me if he is going to be gone and when I can expect to see or hear from him again. The care he takes in doing this is essential for me to feel secure. I'm grateful he cares to do so.

So no, not all online relationships are like that but I'd say more are than are not.

I am not a big fan of imbalance. Though that can cause me to feel as if he is exercising his Dom-ness at times. In most online relationships I expect and require a balance of information and communication between the two of us.

I don't think you are being unreasonable at all. You want it to be better next time, and learn from this time. That's they way I'm reading you and that makes sense to me.

If your husband doesn't feel like a Dominant deep down inside than nothing will make him one. Even if you can get him to try, I seriously doubt it will feel like you want it to. However having him try things with you isn't a bad idea. It could help your hunger for these things a little bit.

Try to make the idea of trying something a fun lark and make sure you both know how to do whatever it is safely. Go slow with him. See what he might actually find interesting from a BDSM interest inventory. If you both have some activities that are the same try one of those. If you don't, try one for him and one for you. As long as you communicate and are partners in this, things should at least be okay. Who knows they might even become great.

You are not bizarre at all. If a task didn't please my Dom, or train me in some way, I certainly wouldn't find it worth doing. At one time I belonged to the BDSM Academy and found that not having a connection there with anyone basically didn't work for me. Of several hundred tasks to read about only 4-6 actually interested me for the sensation they would provide alone. Pleasing someone I care for and who cares for me is what it's mostly about for me.

Anyway, I hope this helps in someway. I feel a bit scattered with the freaking holiday coming up. I'm not sure how much sense I'm making here.

Fury

 

[kat_or_kitten]

Which brings me to now. He's taught me all kinds of new things, introduced me to this path that I'm feeling is natural and right for me, but now I'm confused. Is this how online things usually are or will go? Is there normally a lot of imbalance like this, or did I just get lucky? I can't regret the time I've known him, for it did help me figure out some things, but I definitely got myself too tangled up in him and don't want to make the same mistakes again. Or am I being unreasonable?
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Your experience is very similar to my own first time... which was also online-only, also spurred on by a craving I had inside to understand myself better. A man identified me as submissive from a single post I wrote, and took over my life. It was exactly what I wanted... but still something was wrong. I was new to the lifestyle, and he had no interest in teaching me, just taking me, controlling me.

On the other hand, my experience was different than yours in that my Dom was extremely involved in my life, never leaving me alone to think, consider what was happening. I didn't understand at that time what it really meant to have a Master, and I got increasingly stressed out. It was very difficult to walk away from because I craved the submission, though I finally realized that I wanted to get away from him personally.

I have since met someone else. The relationship I have now is complicated, but much better for me as this man takes the time to help me understand all the nuances of being a submissive and clearly states his expectations of me.

I tell this story simply to emphasize the most important thing I've learned in the D/s world: like in every other relationship, it is the PERSON that matters most. If the right man comes along, someone that you respond to with your entire body and mind, you'll know it. And that's the person you want to trust with this experience. Because if you don't trust the person you submit to, there really can't be any release in the relationship, imho.

Anyway, that's my two cents. Good luck.

 

[Strange1]

The sub/dom relationship is a difficult one wether it be online or in real life. What you have to realize is that their are very real and complex emotional issue. I would talk to your hubby about it and if that doesn't work call in a professional. But you must read into the sub and dom relationship and be prepared to have a serious discussion with you hubby. And don't take what this "daddy" character said to hart. I don't know the guy personally so I cant attack what he has taught you but it was a sheltered safe environment so you were more vulnerable to take any advice. Prepare to face the BDSM world in real life without the shelter of an online partner... good luck

 

[Evil_Geoff]

... He's taught me all kinds of new things, introduced me to this path that I'm feeling is natural and right for me, but now I'm confused. Is this how online things usually are or will go? Is there normally a lot of imbalance like this, or did I just get lucky? I can't regret the time I've known him, for it did help me figure out some things, but I definitely got myself too tangled up in him and don't want to make the same mistakes again. Or am I being unreasonable? Maybe I ought to just try and get my husband interested in being dominant again. lol. Anyone have any suggestions to get that to work?

Anyway, thanks in advance.
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Good morning DLG,

As to this being an example of how things "work" online, yes, it's pretty common. Gal wants a relationship, guy wants wanking material. Guy talks the talk and promises whatever he needs to in order to get the wanking material. Gal laps it up because she wants to believe it. It's pretty much like real life and guys looking to score some strange.

Statistically speaking, the few reputable studies regarding SM and D/s in relationships put the number of PYLs to pyls at anywhere from 1 to 5 to as bad as 1 to 20. Yet ONLINE you find the ratio is almost 1 to 1. Things that make you go Hmmmmm. Doing the math, you have to figure at the very least, 80% of the people who claim to be PYLs are not. The figure could be as high as 95%.

Before involving yourself emotionally with anyone online, do a few things.
1) SLOW DOWN
2) Get to know them over a long period of time. Observe them. Are they consistent? Flakey? Are they OL almost daily? Or do they disappear for weeks at a time?
3) Check them out. DIG a little bit. For crying out loud if someone claims they have been active in the BDSM lifestyle umpty-ump years, SOMEONE will actually know them. What kind of reputation do they have in their community (both OL community like Lit and/or realtime community)? Even in Lit you can right click on their av, select Find All Posts by... and read their thoughts and ideas that they've been sharing for a while.

Time is your FRIEND, use it to your advantage. Someone in a hurry is trying to put something over on you.

'Nuff said!

 

[raven_wish]

Before involving yourself emotionally with anyone online, do a few things.
1) SLOW DOWN
2) Get to know them over a long period of time. Observe them. Are they consistent? Flakey? Are they OL almost daily? Or do they disappear for weeks at a time?
3) Check them out. DIG a little bit. For crying out loud if someone claims they have been active in the BDSM lifestyle umpty-ump years, SOMEONE will actually know them. What kind of reputation do they have in their community (both OL community like Lit and/or realtime community)? Even in Lit you can right click on their av, select Find All Posts by... and read their thoughts and ideas that they've been sharing for a while.

Time is your FRIEND, use it to your advantage. Someone in a hurry is trying to put something over on you.

'Nuff said!

what great advice
i hope people take this bit seriously
time is an invaluable assest -USE IT!
and ditto on the online info available
cant tell you how much i have found out about ppl
and then in turn stuff about some of the ppl they surround themselves with
esp in the BDSM community

some may see this as sneaky or nosy
but the bottom line is its out there in public domain
and if they dont have anything to hide then
they dont have anything to worry about

 

[DaddysLittleGrrrl]

Thanks to everyone who offered advice!

I've read all the posts and links, gotten some good solid background information. I've done some research, written it all up. lol. I'm such a librarian.

Anyway, I'm going to try to present the idea to my husband tonight again- introduce it as just a kind of game I guess, sort of a late birthday present for me. Very little pressure, just exploring. Hopefully he'll be intrigued enough to try at least. Wish me luck!

 

[FurryFury]

Thanks to everyone who offered advice!

I've read all the posts and links, gotten some good solid background information. I've done some research, written it all up. lol. I'm such a librarian.

Anyway, I'm going to try to present the idea to my husband tonight again- introduce it as just a kind of game I guess, sort of a late birthday present for me. Very little pressure, just exploring. Hopefully he'll be intrigued enough to try at least. Wish me luck!

Good luck!

*smiles and crosses fingers for you*

Fury

 

[raven_wish]

Anyway, I'm going to try to present the idea to my husband tonight again- introduce it as just a kind of game I guess, sort of a late birthday present for me. Very little pressure, just exploring. Hopefully he'll be intrigued enough to try at least. Wish me luck!

All the best! I am hoping for ya!