Adultery's pull...

Monaco

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Hi. I have a problem, and based on what I've read so far on this board, I'm thinking I could really use your input.

I've been with a lady for over a year-and-a-half. But we've been "friendly" for at least twice that time. We met in the University dorms, couldn't stand each other, and so eventually became friends. Both single, both having had bad luck with the opposite sex, we hooked up on a few lonely nights. They multiplied. Eventually, we moved in together (from the dorm's single to double rooms - no commitment, easy to break off). After five months of cohabitation, we decided we should probably consider ourselves an item. Not much fire-breathing passion there, it was a decision more than a romantic declaration. But we also came to understand each other, fundamentally. Our flaws, our weaknesses. She became a compass which could keep me centered and on course.

Fact is, I have a penchant for self-destruction. I don't drink, mostly because I don't trust myself when I get down. I know I can't go there - it could very well kill me. No drugs, nothing that might make the beast destroy what life I've made for myself. But one of the beast's longings is for lustful, blind, uncalculated and raunchy sex with a complete stranger. To go into a club, pick up and fuck.

Here's my background on this all-too-common desire which is destroying my serenity: I've spent my life being very small. I was stepped on in high-school, went to the prom alone and basically never got to dance with a girl I found even remotely attractive. I was, as we say, a loser. Not because I was ugly, stupid, clumsy or naive - I wasn't any better nor worse than anyone else out there. No, I offered myself my status on a silver platter because of my timidity. So shy, I couldn't breathe when I needed to speak. So terrified of being rejected, that rejection inevitably ensued. So I never took any chances, never dared.

In a sense, I feel like I never really lived. I just watched from the sidelines, lost in the "what ifs".

And then came along my sweet. She was brilliant, generous and wise. She kicked my ass into dropping out of a nowhere field of study which I hated but did out of resignation and to pursue a wild and impossible dream. I'm living that dream now, professionally. Still a student, but thriving in a discipline which I once could only fantasize about. She's basically validated my entire life, in that sense.

But with that validation came the longing for what I'd deprived myself in those dark years of doubt. I found myself staring at bodies and dreaming of orgies. Acting like a fourteen year-old ten years after the fact. Whereas once, I was so ashamed of the stereotypical "male pig" that I successfully repressed all my impulses, now I found myself wanting. Not caring so much about the label some might tag me with. After all, the same traits some cried out as disgusting were also the object of their wet dreams. So I imagined what it would be like to go out and flaunt my body, flaunt everything I had to show and make indecent proposals to the right type of gals.

Because I never had the courage to take a slap across the face, I never asked for the fulfillment of my desires. But now, because of what my consort has brought me in self-esteem and love, it obsesses me. So much so that I can't stop rambling about it on this thread!

The catch-22 is that I wouldn't be in this spot if it hadn't been for her support in everything I do. She single-handedly habilitated me. But I am in this spot, and I don't know how to deal with it. It's not merely a craving - that I could thwart. It's an all-consuming itch which, I honestly feel, won't go away until I scratch it.

So now what? Kill something people spend their lives looking for? Do I go debauch myself behind her back and get rid of this illusion I'm perpetuating with every new scenario I create? Friends have told me that what she doesn't know can't hurt her. But when the relationship is based on trust more than anything, how do you sleep in the same bed knowing you've betrayed her? How do you look into her eyes and not feel like you've degraded her by making her a fool who's being played? I don't think I could do that. In fact, I know I couldn't.

Ideally, we would take a six month sabatical from our relationship, we'd move apart, I'd go ballistic on the night scene and then, as always occurs (or so I've been told), I'd long to be in the warmth and security of a loving and trusting bosom. But that kind of thing just ain't going to happen. Not while she's got self-respect.

Another sordid twist is that she's a great lay. She's horny as they come (except she doesn't dig chicks, which is - of course - a shame) and she's even left the door open to possible swinging (so long as we're both doing it in a controlled environment where each knows about the other's activities). But I'm just not interested. Not because she isn't hot, not because of anything except that it's something I can expect. It's too easy, I guess. When she goes down on me, I don't feel a thrill. At all. And we've tried tricks, it just doesn't click. I want dirty, dangerous, forbidden sex. And even if it's my undoing, I'm thinking it's eventually going to get the better of me.

I'm thinking too much along the lines of Warren Beatty: Get laid and have intense romances until you've gotten it out of your system. Then, when the time is right, settle down. But how do I tear away from my girlfriend? In a sense, it's like if we were already married: I hold her higher than any of my family (another pathetic tale) and am in the second month of a 12-month lease with her. I feel trapped, not because she's flawed, but because I feel like I need to get out before I can move in.

And I'm terrified by the prospect of being alone. Those high-school ghosts still haunt me, and I don't know that I'd survive on my own. I don't know that I'd even go out. Chances are, I'd bury myself in my apartment and read literotica stories about adultery and incest while jacking off... like I do now...

So now you know just how sad a case I am. Turns my stomach, but I have to vent this, and many of you seem to be compassionate and open-minded, even if honest. Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreaciated...

-M-
 
That was a really well written post! Normally I get bored of posts that long but that one just flowed. You should submit a story you know.

My advice (which not everyone would agree with) would be to go to a club on your own or with some male friends you can trust and dance with all the women you want to dance with. If the occasion arises that one of these women would like to get more intimate then do what your heart tells you to. You may find (and this could come as an unexpected shock) that your desire and love for your girlfriend stops you from going any further. If it doesn't then maybe it would be the right thing for you to do.

If you do end up being unfaithful and you find that you can deal with the guilt then I would suggest that you and your girlfriend are perhaps not as ideally matched as you think.

The fact that this girl is your first partner and is the one that brought you out of your shell could be distorting your true desires.

Whatever happens, good luck. And remember that you are worth a million dollars regardless of which if any woman you are with.
 
I don't know you and that makes it difficult to give you an opinion on your particular situation. I will give you my perspective on what I would do. I would talk to someone objective such as a trusted friend or counsler. If you have addictive or self destructive tendencies you could be setting the stage for failure. Having suffered through the pain of isolation once I am curious why you would risk it again. I wonder how you feel about yourself. In the past I have felt flawed and unlovable from being rejected by my family. I found that it was during that time I made the poorest choices for myself. This was unconcious until a friend and a counsler helped me see the pattern. Good Luck.
 
If you read this don't hate me.....

Monaco,

Very interesting post.
So many people get on this board and ask for advice but without giving anyone the background they need in order to give halfway decent suggestions.

Honestly, I don't have the right suggestion for you but I just wanted to tell you that you are not a scum for having "feelings." Admitting them is one thing and doing them is another. Yes, I realize you are two steps (or less) away from converting those thoughts into actions but at least for now, you haven't (is that still correct).

(sigh) I am going to tell you this b/c I don't think too many people are going to read it (as longer posts tend to be paid little attention... and if I am not asking questions then well, even less attention) so if you have a few minutes....

I got married young, very very young.
I didn't even know what oral sex WAS until I met my husband. He was my friend and we began experimenting with our friendship and soon became "more than friends."

A few months after losing my virginity to him I became pregnant (that is another story) and was pressured by my parents to marry him. They were ashamed to have a pregnant daughter (especially my roman catholic mother). They didn't talk to me for two months after they found out!
They didn't tell anyone in their families until I got married. It all happened so fast.
Anyway, long story short, that was a few years ago, and I am still married (but with no children... unless you count pets ... and it makes me feel better if we can count them so that I can feel like a mommy... again, another thread).

Ah this is making me cry, fuck I hate that.
Anyway, this is not a cry out for sympathy story; I made my own choices in life (as you are about to find out) and I am hear as a result.
So ... moving on... my husband and I sort of drifted a part a bit, I mean we didn't have all that much in common and we were young and still growing in many ways.
So I reached out and a guy friend of mine (several states away) became close friends online.

Eventually it became a more than friends thing... and I didn't do as much as I could have (not honestly) to stop it all and we ended up meetin in person in December.
I did NOT sleep with him but we did kiss along with some light petting.
I wish I could say that I didn't physically enjoy myself, but... I did.
I feel so guilty and do not condone my behaviors in any way.
I told my husband the very next day and it destroyed his world. He wanted to kill himself he said. He totally freaked. To this day I regret telling him and now he gets so jealous it is unreal. He is working on controlling it but it is SO hard for him. It is all my fault.
I am a caring and loving person and one would have thought that I would not have been so selfish and would have thought more about how this would affect him.
I had thought he wouldn't care b/c I was feeling neglected by him and talking hadn't helped.
Now, I know that he feels very possessive of me and he gets very upset and jealous over petty things.
I love him I really and truly do but when you decide to be with someone forever it needs to be YOUR choice and WHEn you decide you need to get it out of your system first (anything else you want to try that is).
I STILL don't feel like anything is out of my system, but I am not going to act on those feelings or emotions or whatever they are.
I have come to my own terms of acceptance and I truly hope I never break another heart again b/c all it does is tear mine apart.


Good luck Monaco.
 
Monaco - your situation sounds very similar to my last relationship. Maybe if I tell you my story it'll be of some help to you.

I was with my last girlfriend for 10 years. We were in the same class at college but we hardly spoke to each other. Neither of us particularly fancied each other but somehow after my first year, when I dropped out, we got together. Maybe we were more relaxed together because we'd never even considered each other as objects of lust.

We lived together in her student accomodation for a year, until she graduated, then she moved back home to her mother's. We kept the relationship going though.

We really were genuinely friends as well as lovers. We could talk openly and honestly about anything. We lived far apart (90 miles) but our relationship was really strong. We spoke by 'phone every couple of days and spent time together every second weekend. We had fun and passion but still gave each other plenty of space (90 miles is plenty of space,). It was all ruined because, after nine years of being completely faithful, I cheated on her. I won't go into the details here.

I think it had a lot to do with getting near to 30 and wanting to see what the grass was like on the other side. It was fun and exciting having sex with someone else but there was no love or genuine closeness there.

I thought I could carry on with my girlfriend and just forget it happened but the guilt was too much. Our whole relationship changed. I went from being open and genuine to having to watch everything I said in case I gave the game away. The atmosphere got really weird between us and she didn't know why. Eventually I just had to tell her. It broke her heart - really knocked her self-confidence. I felt like a complete shit. She wanted to know what was wrong with her that I needed someone else. Wasn't she exciting enough in bed? Didn't I love her anymore? None of this was the case - our sexlife was great and I loved her very much. I'd just done it because I was drunk and wanted to see what it was like having sex with someone else after so many years with the one person.

I hadn't had very much experience before meeting my girlfriend. I learned so much with her and developed a lot of self-confidence. Like you - I think there was part of me that felt like I'd kind of missed out on enjoying my batchelor years to the full because I had been a bit too shy or lacking in self-confidence, or whatever, when I was younger.

My girlfriend and I stayed together for a while (she wanted to make things work) but eventually we drifted apart. I'd totally fucked up our relationship.

I'll never do that again. Someone always gets hurt - usually both of you.

I think that maybe, in a way, we would have drifted apart anyway. I think our relationship had possibly run its course and that we were only still together because we'd been together so long and we were scared of being alone. But the way it happened was terrible. I basically ruined our friendship and hurt her very badly.

I never really believe in having regrets, though, because past mistakes bring you to where you are now and I've found my way to someone I love very much.

It sounds to me, Monaco, that you'd have the same feelings of guilt that I had if you cheated on your girlfriend. That was an extremely stressful part of my life. It's tough but you've got to decide what you really want from your life. Are you still with your girlfriend because you're scared of being alone and you don't want to hurt her? Or is it because you genuinely love her? It's not an easy thing to decide. I'd be wary of your friends' advice. I've got mates who have cheated on their partners and managed to just sweep it under the carpet and carry on like nothing happened. I couldn't do that. I get the feeling you wouldn't find that too easy either.

Maybe you should narrow it down to two choices: stay with your girlfriend and find other outlets for your cravings or take the bull by the horns and split with her in an honest way - by speaking to her rather than just wrecking the relationship by cheating.

I hope this helps in some way.
 
Roger, that was damn good advice. I have been with the same terrific woman for 17 years. I have never and will never cheat on her but can understand what you were feeling and why. We also got together at tender ages. I now really understand why my friend Ginger cares about you so much.

BTW, I knew who your secret love was from your descriptions but would never have said anything. The way you described her, well it just had to be Snappy. She has a tender heart and sweet soul, good luck.
 
Yes,

Speaking to her is a good idea like Roger said.

I agree with that.
I just re-read my post and realize there are a lot of "I" statements... (sigh)... but not sure how to re-word that...was just feeling so emotional at the time.
 
I absolutely agree with Roger. Ask yourself why you're with this woman and be brutally honest with yourself. If it's truly love, I think you have your answer.

If you care about her at all, show some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Either stay with her and remain loyal, or split with her and do what you have to do. Do NOT cheat and hope you can hide it. It won't work and will end up hurting both of you terribly.
 
my scarlet letter

What sallygirl said was interesting to me (and I agree with her btw)...

Not that anyone is reading anything I am writing (which I suppose is all for the better with this damn thread anyway) but I was drawn to what she said about respect.

Oftentimes when someone cheats on another it is automatically assumed that it is b/c they don't respect the person they are with.

But it goes much deeper than that for a lot of people.
For example what about respect for the relationship, for the person you cheat "with" and for one's self? ALL of these things are apt to suffer at the hands of such an act.
 
Different reasons and different outcomes for some people. 'Nuff said.
 
April you are fabulous! (really and truly).

I just had to mention this though and totally off the topic... look at your sig. line and then look at mine... sort of funny I thought haha
 
I am in an adulterous relationship right now; I am the other woman.

I won't go into the reasons for our relationship (we've been together for four years); there are many. I can tell you that it wouldn't work at all if I weren't such a coward about a full commitment, or he were truly going to leave his wife.

However, what is working for us might not work very well for other people, so I can only ask you to look at the potential for hurt. If it would really poison your relationship, don't do it. If you are truly feeling ambivalent about your relationship, some time apart might be a good thing.

However, that means apart, that means separate, that means no getting your drawers in a twist because of what she's doing while you are off chasing your Infernal Venus; she may have a desire for a Demon Lover, herself.

Really think about it, and don't do anything without consciously know what you are doing. It is true the potential for hurt is enormous, and you should know if part of your desire to experiment has something to do with a desire to inflict some pain.
 
Cheating BAD.

I speak from the experience of a wandering ex-fiance, a wandering boyfriend, and a psychotic episode:

Cheating BAD.
 
Endlessly said:
Cheating BAD.

I speak from the experience of a wandering ex-fiance, a wandering boyfriend, and a psychotic episode:

Cheating BAD.

Ah, well I feel a lot better now,
nope no nightmares tonight for me.
(nothing personal to the beautiful and talented Endlessly of course... not ever in a million years.)
 
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Jade sweetie.. I didn't say 'Cheaters bad.' I said CHEATING bad.

I understand why you did it.. You're one of my favorite people on this BB and always will be. Thing is this, though: if someone's going to ask, 'is it a good idea for me to cheat on someone or no?' I'm not going to say it is just because I'm afraid of making people think I'm attacking them when I'm not.

Cheating. Cheating is why I locked myself in my room for the last two months of my fall semester of college, literally leaving my dorm room maybe twice a week to go to the bathroom and shower. I didn't eat, I barely slept, I mostly cried and wrote.

Cheating is why I had a psychotic episode the week of finals that caused me to lose one of my closest friends (she was who my boyfriend cheated with), lose my work study job and my scholarship to go on the archeological dig to Israel, and get taken to the hospital and put under sedation. It's why my GPA last spring was 1.8.. I was too out of it to remember when my finals were, let alone what was on them if I happened to make it to one. (this is what happened during my time off from Literotica to try to find God. Ironic, no?)

Cheating is also why, even though I believe in true love and romance, I will refuse it for the rest of my life. Because I'm never going to allow a single fucking person to have that type of control over my life and my reactions through THEIR actions again.

I'm not comdemning you in the least, Jade, and if you think I've lost any respect for you whatsoever, you're wrong. It's just that this topic brings up a lot of emotions for me.. Much the same way that even seeing the piece of paper my ex-best-friend slipped under my door by way of apology makes me shake and cry.

But this was MY experience. And I am trying to use it to advise.. Not to chastise others. *soft, concerned smile* I hope you understand..
 
Dreamer - thanks. I know you're a very good friend to Gingah.

I don't want anyone to think I'm getting on my high-horse or being judgemental about any of this. Like I say, I've got a couple of good friends who have been unfaithful in the past and kept quiet about it from their partners. It doesn't seem to have damaged their relationships, at least from the outside.

I only told the story 'cause Monaco seems to be in a very similar situation to the one I was in and I get the impression he'd find it as hard to deal with as I did. If I'd examined my relationship beforehand and been brutally honest with myself, I might've realised that we were drifting apart and that although our friendship was still as strong, the romance was pretty much over. Maybe then I would've split with my girlfriend in a way where our friendship could still have survived. The whole thing has taught me a lot about myself.

But, like April says - everybody's situation is different. You all have to make your own decisions based on what is right for you and your partner.
 
What Roger just told you is why I love him. He has a way of understanding things that sets your heart free.

Dreamer is the kind of friend I hope each of you has in your life. He is the best kind of human being. I love you wookie.
 
Monaco,

I think it's important to keep in mind that being honest, with your partner as well as yourself, will do a lot more for your self esteem and your feelings of masculinity than cheating will.

If you feel that you "just have to" sow your wild oats, leave. Get out and get fresh air. Give your lady the fair chance of forewarning, instead of the kick in the teeth that "I cheated on you" is. You'll save her the more immense pain and yourself (most of) the self loathing. While neither message will be welcomed with confetti and streamers, it's better to be bruised than shattered.

Finally, I will share something. I used to think there was nothing worse than a wonderful partner thinking that I was ideal, when in fact I knew that I had been a shit. After guiltily confessing, I know that there is something far worse: the look of distrust, disillusionment, shock, and fear in his eyes.

I think you are all very brave to share your stories and feel a ton of respect for each of you because it seems like even though life is often very gray, we end up having to choose between black and white.

Best Wishes,

Payne
 
This is a very hard thread for me to read- so much pain in all the stories above. But you've given me, and probably more than a few other people, lots to think about as we face similar decisions in our own lives. Thanks for sharing the things that can't be easy to drag up and out into the open.
 
Endlessly,

Thank you so much for that post; it made me feel better.
I really knew you weren't condemning me... it wouldn't be you to do anything like that. I was just feeling emotional and everything was about me during that moment.. ever felt like that?

You are so sweet and I hope you never change.
 
*giggling*

Jade, I know exactly what you mean; that was my attitude for a good two years.

As far as me being sweet.. Ha! Wait 'til you meet me at the wedding. *L* If I can swing the finances, that is.
 
Wow... Thanks for the responses! I've only had time to read the first few, so I can't feedback yet - and I've got to run, the store clerk is on my ass... I'll raid the University computer lab tomorrow... I just got back from a five-day, rain-drenched trip with my girlfriend. It didn't help things any - we fought, we reconciled, we're still in this together - and I'm still feeling the pull...

And just to fill in the info - she wasn't my first, but I consider her the first person with whom I was comfortable with and not frozen with performance anxiety. She made me a playboy by breaking me out of my inhibitions. I'll read everyone and post again tomorrow.

Again, all my thanks - this board is awesome!

M.
 
Have you ever heard the story of the little dog crossing the bridge carrying a big bone in his mouth? He saw his reflection in the water and wanted the bone the other dog had. When he opened his mouth to try and grab the bone he saw in the reflection, he lost the bone he had.

Endlessly is right "Cheating is bad" mostly because you destroy the faith and trust of someone that cares about you.

Try a little role playing.

Maybe you have forgotten but just because you have easy lovin' now, it doesn't make it any easier to pick some up at a bar.
 
Ouch, it hurts

I once broke my leg, up to that point, I did not realize how much that apppendage meant to me. I don't like to break
limbs anymore because I know how much it hurts when its happening and how much I'll miss it when it' s gone.
 
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