About time

[Senna Jawa]

Is it Angeline's laptop (sounds sexy or Literotica software that has developed problems recently?

Yes, Eve, it was Literotica's software, not me, acting up and messing my "No win situation". Now I don't feel like posting, I don't want another messed up text up there.

BTW, Eve, you have quoted only a portion of the poem (which is natural) without any indication that it was only a fragment (and that's not so good, especially that that portion could pass for the total poem). A time ago I got annoyed for a similar negligence -) at Rybka, but I am at a mellow mood right now, and you being a sympathetic woman and all.... Oh, Rybka is sympathetic alright, especially toward me, and in general he deserves perhaps more credit and support for his searches, for his striving at new if somewhat irregular forms of expression in his poems. It's a pity that Rybka is here isolated in his efforts. It is hard to push ideas alone. Of course, it is not easy to outdo Cummings, nothing's new under the Sun, but nevertheless in Warsaw (Poland) the "lingwizm" (a "linguistic" approach to poems) is popular, and that's what Cummings used to do magnificently, and it is one of the things which Rybka does too here and there (I did some over years too).

Why "about time"? I was mostly absent from Literotica in the past weeks (or is it months?) while on May 13 it is going to be one year since I posted my first poem on Literotica. It is a good pretext to get a bit sentymental for a change. Feel free to post your Literotica reminiscences in this thread. And I myself will try to be not overly honest to keep the right spirit in, and to avoid a popular call for kicking Senna the hell out of here. I feel like kinda being here in a mild way, so characteristic for me.

I think, I'll post some trivias and such here.

Oh, one thing. I don't write much theses days but I may draw, using the MS Windows Paint program. More about it later. Now I'd like to ask how do I share such drawings with Literotica, and how do I post an illustrated poem. After all they were mostly image driven and I feel like supplying a few images per poem. That's how I feel but I am lazy.

"Paint" leaves me with an .bmg file. When I click on it then I get more than the "paintings", I get a window with the "Paint" program. How do I produce simply the picture, without the extras? And how do I post it here on this forum or with a poem?

I hope that many of us will get the "painting" bug, that it will be one of the activities here.

Best regards,

 

[Angeline]

Welcome Back, Senna!

I'm happy to see your words here again (honest ). I've missed you and been a bit worried (in a familial, preemptory sort of way) that you have been well.

An odd thing occurred, Senna. In your absence, I often found myself thinking "What would Senna do?" (I doubt the world is ready for that bumper sticker yet, though.) Your essence has a way of lingering. I'd look at something I wrote, and think "Oh, that's talk-talk; better get rid of it."

But I may have gone too far in comparing you to Goethe--whom you probably don't much like anyway because I noticed an awful lot of opining in the sections of Dr. Faust I was reading recently. The sentiment expressed in the bit I posted in another thread recently is similar to what I've heard you express though.

I'm eager to see (or just hear about) your painting. Are you working with photographs or simply using the drawing capabilities in Paint? By the way, if your program does not permit you to save as anything but a bitmap, there are websites that let you convert to jpeg or gif files. Lauren knows much more about that than I do, so I'll let her give you the scoop. Alternatively, I can convert files for you--just mail a copy to me and I'll save your file as a jpeg and mail it back to you. Let me know anytime you want to try that.

You might be interested in Born Magazine, a site that is combining poetry with visual art and music in interesting ways. I don't say everything they do there is so wonderful (especially the technology), but I like the idea behind it.

You'll be glad to hear, I'm sure, that my laptop is doing well again.

Happy Pesach. Oh and Happy Anniversay--We definitely need to have a party for *your* anniversary (isn't that right Eve, Lauren, JUDO?). lol. Don't stray too far, Senna. I want you here for that party (rubbing hands together gleefully).

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C'mon everybody. Senna's back. Get in this thread and say hello.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Well, today is the first anniversary of my first submissions to Lit: Kate and Solely.

In your honour, Senna, let me tell you that they have, after one year, 1053 and 969 views respectively, which makes them 3rd and 4th most read of my poems. 2nd place is for My Hot Wet Tight Pussy with 1252 views; this poem was purposefully designed to attract obscene numbers of readers (ask Eve ) so it doesn't come exactly as a surprise. But what I just noticed a few minutes ago, and this is surprising, is that Bröckengespenst, posted in October, is my most read poem: 1286 views.

But anyway. I'm not going to welcome Senna back because he never left. Yes, I've seen you lurking. Almost everyday!

About your questions concerning images:

Let me tell you that the ability that some people appear to have of drawing freehand, from scratch, with a mouse, amazes me. The technique must be completely different than using pen and paper.

Personally, I don't like MS Paint. I've used it in my first computer while I was trying to figure it out, but it can only go so far. If you're interested in software that will permit you to explore more, I'd recommend Adobe Photoshop or Corel Photo-Paint. Oh, I remember having once used something called Fauve Matisse, from Macromedia, I believe, that was superb for freehand drawing and painting. I think it would be the ideal tool for this sort of thing.

A friendly little program you should look into is ACDSee. It's basically an image viewer, that will allow you to convert easily between a multitude of formats (from .bmp to more web-friendly .jpg or .gif, for example). It also has a slide-show feature that will allow you to see the pics without the "extras". You can download a demo for free, but the license isn't that expensive. Also, there are ways to go around it, if you really want to.

After you have the .jpg or .gif file (or .bmp, really) you can post it here in the boards using the 'attach' feature (but Lit will only accept files smaller than 102400 bytes and, if my memory serves me, 800x640 pixels; if you have any problem keeping it below these values, PM me).

Alternatively, you can use the feature and the picture will show up in the post right away, instead of just as a link, but this requires the image to be hosted online, not in your hard drive. This is also the only way of using more than one image per post. Again, if you have any problem with it or need me to host a few images, just ask. To submit an illustrated poem, according to the [URL=http://www.literotica.com/faq.shtml#illustsub]F. A. Q.[/URL] and 09-16-2002's thread [URL=https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112144]New Poem Categories[/URL],... [QUOTE] [b]- I want to submit my story or poem with accompanying original artwork. How do I do this?[/b] We love to receive stories with accompanying pictures. If you wish to do so, please note that all photos or artwork - like the stories themselves - MUST be YOUR ORIGINAL WORK. That is to say, do not submit photographs or illustrations that you did not create. Also, we prefer photographs to be softcore, and all models must be over the age of 18. If you use Word, you can imbed the photos directly into the story. If you don't use Word or would rather not imbed the artwork, then submit the photos as attachments to an email to [email]submit@literotica.com[/email]. Make the subject line of the email "STORY/POEM TITLE - ARTWORK". Next, submit a story or poem in your profile. Within the body of the work, mark where you want the artwork to be with [FILENAME.JPG HERE]. Submit the poem or story to either the Illustrated category (for stories) or the Illustrated Poetry category )for poems). At the top of the submission, place the words "ARTWORK SUBMITTED VIA EMAIL" so that we don't inadvertantly approve the story without placing the photos.[/QUOTE]

 

[Senna Jawa]

Well, today is the first anniversary of my first submissions to Lit: Kate and Solely.

Congratulations. Who would think that such a nice, young lady is my senior?! It's by less than a month, so I won't tell anybody.

During this one year, Lauren, looking at these two poems above, you went a long way!

In your honour, Senna, let me tell you that they have, after one year, 1053 and 969 views respectively, which makes them 3rd and 4th most read of my poems.

Thank you Lauren for the trivia, how nice! My very first one was Poe tr y. Judo wrote a nice welcoming comment and the poem at one time had three votes, all of them 5. Now it has two votes whith average 4. It scored 309 reads, which is over three times less than your poems but still not too bad. It used to be a leader among my poems but only for a short time. Now it is on the 31 place.

How Eve manages not to score reads is beyond me, she has a secret. Each of my poems posted in 2002 (since May 13 but some of them on December too) has scored 108 reads or more. The one with 108 reads (and 0 votes), song-gone was posted, as it happens, on December 27 (thus it is scoring somewhat under 1 read per day, which is so-so). I'd think that song-gone is not a bad title but it is Literotica. Actually, I'd think that logarithmic in a compact car is truly a good title but this poem, posted on August 26, last year, is doing even worse: it scored 135 reads, which is not much above one half of a "read" per day. Incredibly, this poem had 2 votes at one time, both 5. Incredibly, because there was a heated controversy around this poem on our forum, and several of my other poems got voted down at that time but not the one which caused all that bad blood. Now it has zero votes.

2nd place is for My Hot Wet Tight Pussy with 1252 views; this poem was purposefully designed to attract obscene numbers of readers (ask Eve ) so it doesn't come exactly as a surprise. But what I just noticed a few minutes ago, and this is surprising, is that Bröckengespenst, posted in October, is my most read poem: 1286 views.

So, you were not joking about your tight hot wet pussy! I'll read it instantly, so that it will score another view, sorry, I meant another read, or whatever... OK, I did, breathlessly of course. And I have noticed that you had to have there "gently"!!! Here are my comments: once you had the title you could afford to write anything inside (the poem). Actually, you can turn that poem into a weakly newsletter. True, multiple reads don't count but you could claim them unofficially.

Of course, when it comes to the number of reads you somewhat missed the boat, but you know it: the position on the list is an important factor, and "M" as the first character of the title is no good. But it was a good experiment about the Literotica attractiveness of a title. Your poem scored very well even without a good position. You have shown that the placement on the list can be responsible for about a 3:1 quotient of the scores of reads. If you started the title with "A " ("A" followed by a space " ") or better, your the poem would score about 4000 reads by now.

But anyway. I'm not going to welcome Senna back because he never left. Yes, I've seen you lurking. Almost everyday!

Guilty as charged. I was a poor lurker though, a dizzy, fuzzy lurker. Let me at least now thank you for speaking kindly about one of my poems recently. It was [splash...], posted on April 5. It has 132 reads. Hey, Eve... And it has no votes. Of my 206 posts full 62 have no votes--how do I do it?! It's not me, is it? It is because you guys, according to Literotica, are frauds, that's why As of this moment 60 of my poems have average vote 5.00, but all of them but 4 were voted on only once, andf the remaining 4 were voted on twice. Some of these poems had more 5s, and some of the present 5s will vanish too, I am sure, and some of other poems used to have average 5. but I will most likely not only lose some but also gain some, and so it goes. (Two days ago I also had 19 implied 5s, and it shouldn't change much in two days). On the other end of the scale, at this moment, surprize-surprize, I have only 7 poems with average vote 1., all of them voted only once, and two poems with average ranking 1+, or to be exact 1.5 with two votes. (This implies two more 1. votes) I used to have a lot of votes 1. and a lot of poems rated below 2. but all these votes, like all votes below 5., were fraud and Literotica took care of most of them, serves them right!

Before I have joined Literotica I didn't realize how fraudful is our world.

You are not the only ones, my readers, who are tired by now, me too. Thus I'll concentrate on the technical stuff provided by you, Lauren, a bit later. Thank you a lot for providing the useful info. I hope that others will also take advantage of it. I'll just mention about drawing with a program like Paint that one has two options plus a spectrum in between: (1) use ovals, rectangles, etc., so that it doesn't matter if you cannot control lines with your PC mouse. (2) don't assume too much about your lines, let them be the way they want to, as long as you get a harmonious composition, pleasing in a way, even if the picture has a crude, primitive feel to it. At the moment I don't feel comfortable with the mouse but it may change after a few drawings, and if it will take a dozen it's ok too. I don't even worry about it, I have practice/experience: English.

True, Paint is missing many operations which I can do, say in C++. Except that right now I don't have any visual C++ nor Visual Basic and I don't know how to light up a pixel with simple C++ (or perl). I have MS C++ and a public domain C++ which came with a textbook (also perl is in the public domain). BTW, I was never able to really steal any software. On two occasions my friend would suggest to buy a piece of software together, so that we would both use a copy of it on each of ours personal computers (against the rules) and I went along, paid my half of the price and... never used that software, I just couldn't. I must be handicapped or something.

Anyway, I can create, and I did in the past, special images, quite a variety in different flavors, synthetically (mathematically) if I knew how to light up pixels on a PC screen. I guess, there are formats for image files and I should format my output file accordingly. Oh, well...

Thank you, Lauren, one more time, enjoy yourself on Literotica (which you do anyway),

 

[Senna Jawa]

Implied 5s & 1s

(Two days ago I also had 19 implied 5s...). ... (This implies two more 1. votes)

Only 5s and 1s can be implied. Your poem has implied 5s when its ranking is above 4.

Example   My post from May 27, 2002,   'haiku' & haiku   has   v=6 votes and average   a=4.17. The number of implied 5s is

        f = <(a-4)*v> = <.17*6> = <1.02> = 1,

where <x> stands for the nearest integer of   x.

(Actually, for a large number of votes this formula may be off occasionally, because the true average is presented slightly imprecisely by its decimal approximation. One may take it into account but let's not worry about it right now).

Observe that implied number of 5s gives you only a minimum of the number of votes 5. given to this poem. One cannot claim that there were more but it is possible. There is an entire spectrum of possibilities from five 4s and one 5 to one 1, one 4 and four 5s.

You have a similar situation at the other end. A poem has implied 1s when it's average vote (ranking) is below 2.

Example   My poem   a boob-ku, posted on October 17, last year, has v=2 votes for an average a=1.5   Thus the number of implied 1s is:

        u = <(2-a)*v> = <.5*2> = 1

Now you can squeeze all the implied 5s and 1s but not more

BTW,   'haiku' & haiku   and   a boob-ku   have scored so far 1388 & 922 "reads".

Do we, poets, trap one reader out of a thousand into subscribing to a paid porno site? Is this the reason for which we are tolerated? Seriously, I don't think so. There is an old tradition to support art, and Literotica does just that. Hooking perverts to the paid porno sites is only a method to sponsor us, the wonderful poets!

Regards,

 

[Angeline]

Boob-ku

What????? No one liked your boob-ku? Godamnit, that boob-ku was great.

I'm going to vote now. And personally, I think I should be allowed to vote twice.


PS There! I gave it a 10--er I mean a 5.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

The mere thought that Senna's next post will be his 666th is scaring the hell out of me.

http://no-troy.planetaclix.pt/images/hot.gif

 

[darkmaas]

Vote Early

Vote Often

 

[Senna Jawa]

Re: Boob-ku

What????? No one liked your boob-ku? Godamnit, that boob-ku was great.

I'm going to vote now. And personally, I think I should be allowed to vote twice.


PS There! I gave it a 10--er I mean a 5.

Thank you, Angeline, you have bumped up boobku's rating from 1.5 to 2.67, wow! Thanks to you the status of boobku has changed from an unappreciated, misunderstood, mysterious piece of art to a piece which some people like and some don't (twice as many). Progress.

Regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

The mere thought that Senna's next post will be his 666th is scaring the hell out of me.

http://no-troy.planetaclix.pt/images/hot.gif

Ho-ho, great balls on fire, as Lewis used to sing, well, close enough.

Don't faint, Lauren, but this is my 669th post on Literotica, and 669 is a much more sexy number than 666 or that other or whichever.

More trivia, please

Regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

Angeline's new AV

Angeline, did you drew your AV? Using something like MS Paint program? It is great regardless of the way you have obtained it.

 

[Angeline]

Microsoft Paint

Angeline, did you drew your AV? Using something like MS Paint program? It is great regardless of the way you have obtained it.

Thank you Senna, although I think I've made myself look a bit more like the young Joan Baez than me. Yes, I used Paint; it was easy to manipulate, and I especially love that erase feature.

Some guy suggested I try drawing with Paint, so I did.

 

[Cordelia]

Well, today is the first anniversary of my first submissions to Lit: Kate and Solely.

Well, today is the second anniversary of my coming on to the Lit Boards.

Now how is that for lurking. I should get a title. Lurker of the Year?

Not all that talkative,


Cordelia

(Nice AV, Ang!)

 

[darkmaas]

Time for a Party?

OOOOH!

All these anniversaries. Lets get another cake! But kdog, I'll bring the libations this time. Hmmm ... my glass seems to be empty.


darkmaas

 

[Angeline]

Happy Everything

to everyone everywhere.

Cordie, two years? That's um sad, lol. And you're a terrific poet. Of course you no sooner come here than you get involved in a shootout (well, almost) and get stuck doing reviews twice a week. Kinda makes you get nostalogic for the quiet old days, huh?

Lauren, you already had one bitchen birthday party, but happy anniversary.

OT, I'm sorry but I have to uh--rips "Longest Time Lurking" stripes from your sleeve and hands them to Cordie.

And, Senna I'm planning your party. Here's my list so far:

1. Get scantily clad female poet to jump from cake

2. Write rules for "Pin the Syllable on the Haiku"

3. Fun activity--Musical Votes. We run around voting on each others' poems till the music (jazz--hey, I invented the game) stops. Then, the person with the lowest reads to votes ratio is out. Etc.

4. Strip Chess (Senna, this one is such a gift...)

Anyone have other ideas?

P.S. darkmaas, I'll have Sambucca--don't forget the coffee beans, please.

 

[Angeline]

Implied 5

What? Are you weighting the votes to estimate probable 5s? lol. Is an implied 5 a 5 plus or minus some range of units--100ths of a point?

 

[Senna Jawa]

Re: Implied 5

What? Are you weighting the votes to estimate probable 5s? lol. Is an implied 5 a 5 plus or minus some range of units--100ths of a point?

Not an estimation but exact computation (trivial), and not probable but certain. Once again, another and this this time a ficticious example: Lets say that your poem was voted v=10 times and scored average a=4.6 Then for sure you got at least:

                f := (a-4)*10 = .6*10 = 6

of 5s. Possibly more, but certainly not less, minimum 6. Then I say that you got 6 of implied 5s.

A probabilistic statement would be different, it may look as follows. Let's assume that every configuration of 10 votes, which gives an average of 4.6, has the same probability. I am not saying that it is an assumption which fits reality well--that would have to be tested empirically on the real data. In the absence of such a study, my assumption seems the simplest reasonable assumption hence the best. It may serve as a base for the further computations.

Remark First let me clarify that I used word configuration, as opposed to distribution, on purpose. If, say, KD voted 5 and Rybka voted 1, and 8 other guys voted somehow, that would be one configuration. But if the 8 guys voted just as before while KD would award you 1 and Rybka 5, then that would be a different configuration, while the distribution would stay the same.

There is, in our example, only one distribution with exactly six 5s, namely six 5s and four 4s. It corresponds to (10 choose 4) = 210 configurations. There is also one distribution with seven 5s. It has also two 4s and one 3. It corresponds to 360 configurations. Now, there are two distributions with eight 5s. One of them has also two 3s--there are 45 corresponding configurations; and the other distribution has one 4 and one 2--there are 90 corresponding configurations. Thus there are 45+90=135 configurations with exactly eight 5s. Finally there is also one distribution with nine 5s; it has just one 1 in addtion to those 5s. This time there are 10 corresponding configurations.

The total number of configurations is:

        210+360+135+10 = 715

Now you may easily compute the expected number of 5s, when you have 10 votes with average 4.6:

  (210*6 + 360*7 + 135*8 + 10*9)/715   =

          660/715 + 6   =   6.9231


(the 4th place after the decimal point is slightly rounded up). As you see, the expected number of 5s is   6.9231,   but the implied number of 5s is only   6.

Conclusion: your accusation, Angeline, was false--I plead: not guilty.

(Angeline, most likely you were fooled by the fact that Literotica in place of an exact average in the form of, say, 1+2/3 or 5/3, gives a decimal approximation, in this case 1.67. I have pedantically mentioned it and have taken it into account in my earlier post; that's why the nearest integer has entered into my considerations; this time I didn't bother to address this trivial nuisance).

Best regards,

 

[Senna Jawa]

Re: Happy Everything

And, Senna I'm planning your party. Here's my list so far:

1. Get scantily clad female poet to jump from cake

        Volunteers, please step forward!