Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi

[Pure]

also spelled
Abier Kassim Hamzah Rashid al Janabi

August 19, 1991-March 12, 2006



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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/iraq.main/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_incident

 

[Boxlicker101]

August 19, 1991-March 12, 2006



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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/iraq.main/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_incident

If these men did what they are accused of doing, they are despicable scum and deserve to hang. However, what they did was as individuals, and not as representatives of the US military. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, by the way.

And, just to keep perspective, terrorists do worse every day, as a matter of policy.

 

[OrcishBarbarian]

If these men did what they are accused of doing, they are despicable scum and deserve to hang. However, what they did was as individuals, and not as representatives of the US military. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, by the way.

And, just to keep perspective, terrorists do worse every day, as a matter of policy.

Rape and murder are a way of life under Islam. Wherever the Pedophile Mohammed is worshipped, women are raped, people burned and killed over beards and cartoons, and mayhem and misogyny prevail.

Not that this excuses U.S. troops slouching to the level of the natives. But look at what is going on in Darfur, and do you hear the liberal left complaining? No...the perpetrators of that crime are friends of people who oppose Israel, and they worship the Pedophile Mohammed, so they get a free pass. The Muslims complain about U.S. actions in Iraq, but do you hear a single solitary peep of protest at the GENOCIDE in the Sudan. Nope...the Janjaweed gang-rapists worship the same pedophile, that's why...

 

[Pure]

box, one has pled guilty.

http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_319123853.html

 

[Byron In Exile]

If these men did what they are accused of doing, they are despicable scum and deserve to hang. However, what they did was as individuals, and not as representatives of the US military. I believe in innocent until proven guilty, by the way.

If they were on duty as US military, under command of the US military, and wearing uniforms of the US military, they were representatives of the US military.

If they're guilty, they deserve to be handed over to the Iraqis who can then decide what sort of punishment is appropriate for them.

And, just to keep perspective, terrorists do worse every day, as a matter of policy.

That is an unrelated issue, and does no more to enhance perspective than the fact that the United States incinerated two cities with atomic bombs as a matter of policy.

 

[Boxlicker101]

box, one has pled guilty.

http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_319123853.html

So I understand, but sometimes that is a plea bargain rather than an admission of gui8lt.

 

[Pure]

i understand that, in plea bargain, a person's act may NOT reflect his guilt. But where that person's account is corroborated by others--American soldier and Iraqis, and by the evidence, there is no reason to dismiss the account as inaccurate.

i didn't really open the thread to argue, but to remember the girl; i doubt that she and her family shot themselves and set fire to their bodies.

 

[Boxlicker101]

i understand that, in plea bargain, a person's act may NOT reflect his guilt. But where that person's account is corroborated by others--American soldier and Iraqis, and by the evidence, there is no reason to dismiss the account as inaccurate.

i didn't really open the thread to argue, but to remember the girl; i doubt that she and her family shot themselves and set fire to their bodies.

As I said, if they are guilty, which appears to be the case, hang them with an old rope and may they rot in hell.

 

[SeaCat]

Rape and murder are a way of life under Islam. Wherever the Pedophile Mohammed is worshipped, women are raped, people burned and killed over beards and cartoons, and mayhem and misogyny prevail.

Not that this excuses U.S. troops slouching to the level of the natives. But look at what is going on in Darfur, and do you hear the liberal left complaining? No...the perpetrators of that crime are friends of people who oppose Israel, and they worship the Pedophile Mohammed, so they get a free pass. The Muslims complain about U.S. actions in Iraq, but do you hear a single solitary peep of protest at the GENOCIDE in the Sudan. Nope...the Janjaweed gang-rapists worship the same pedophile, that's why...

This, I am sad to say, is one of the most closed minded hate filled comments I have ever read on this board.

Cat

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

And, just to keep perspective, terrorists do worse every day, as a matter of policy.

I'm glad we can hold ourselves to such high moral standards. It makes me proud that we as a country can hold our heads high as the standard for justice and morality in the World and say that at least we're slightly better than people who are monsters.

I think I need to sing.

I'm proud to be an American

Jon Stewart said that news channels were really fucked up if they had to use a fake news show as their barometer of professionalism and ethics. I think the same can be said here.

If we have to be only slightly better than them to arrive at this quagmire against them, then frankly the terrorists have won their real goal of making us abandon all we held dear.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by OrcishBarbarian
Rape and murder are a way of life under Islam. Wherever the Pedophile Mohammed is worshipped, women are raped, people burned and killed over beards and cartoons, and mayhem and misogyny prevail.

Not that this excuses U.S. troops slouching to the level of the natives. But look at what is going on in Darfur, and do you hear the liberal left complaining? No...the perpetrators of that crime are friends of people who oppose Israel, and they worship the Pedophile Mohammed, so they get a free pass. The Muslims complain about U.S. actions in Iraq, but do you hear a single solitary peep of protest at the GENOCIDE in the Sudan. Nope...the Janjaweed gang-rapists worship the same pedophile, that's why...

This, I am sad to say, is one of the most closed minded hate filled comments I have ever read on this board.

Cat

It is a bit extreme but there is nothing factually incorrect in it. Muhammed was a pedophile; he had sex regularly with his nine year old wife, Ayesha.

Rape and murder are a way of life. The mass graves being found there are of murdered people. When the Ottoman Empire conquered new lands, they raped and murdered at will. These are known historic facts. What is said about the Janjaweed militias is correct also, and this is well documented fact.

This does not excuse American rapists, of course, but nobody is claiming it does. To paraphrase the bible a little, why would you complain about the mote in one person's eye but not the beam in another's?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm glad we can hold ourselves to such high moral standards. It makes me proud that we as a country can hold our heads high as the standard for justice and morality in the World and say that at least we're slightly better than people who are monsters.

I think I need to sing.

I'm proud to be an American

Jon Stewart said that news channels were really fucked up if they had to use a fake news show as their barometer of professionalism and ethics. I think the same can be said here.

If we have to be only slightly better than them to arrive at this quagmire against them, then frankly the terrorists have won their real goal of making us abandon all we held dear.

We, that is the Anglo-American Alliance can hold our heads high as the standard for justice and morality in the World. Is there anyone else in the world who is quicker to come to the aid of those who need it, and to provide more of that aid?

We are vastly better than the monsters, so much so that there can be no real comparison. If, as seems to be the case, these Americans did rape the girl and murder her family, they will be dealt with harshly, as they should be. A death sentence or life in prison would be appropriate. Muslims who have done the same kind of thing, or much worse, get away with ir and may even be hailed as heroes.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

We, that is the Anglo-American Alliance can hold our heads high as the standard for justice and morality in the World. Is there anyone else in the world who is quicker to come to the aid of those who need it, and to provide more of that aid?

We are vastly better than the monsters, so much so that there can be no real comparison. If, as seems to be the case, these Americans did rape the girl and murder her family, they will be dealt with harshly, as they should be. A death sentence or life in prison would be appropriate. Muslims who have done the same kind of thing, or much worse, get away with ir and may even be hailed as heroes.

American soldiers in some of our Iraqi toture camps have raped 8 year old children in front of their mothers in order to get their mothers to betray their husbands as suspected terrorists. This was reported in the European media, no arrests or investigations have been launched into these actions or whether they occur more than once.

Additionally no investigation has been launched to see if this type of action has occurred more than once. We are called to call these soldiers heroes.

I also guarantee these men will not be hanged and will have non-life sentences.

Your bullshit is bullshit and I'm sickened that you can look at this and claim we are superior, moral standards. This is our moment of shame and the very method by which you try and differ that blame by pointing to people who "must" be worse is sickeneing.

Yes, there are worse people out there. We shouldn't be emulating them. Nor should we praise ourselves when we barely avoid equalling them in the depths we can sink to.

 

[Boxlicker101]

American soldiers in some of our Iraqi toture camps have raped 8 year old children in front of their mothers in order to get their mothers to betray their husbands as suspected terrorists. This was reported in the European media, no arrests or investigations have been launched into these actions or whether they occur more than once.

Additionally no investigation has been launched to see if this type of action has occurred more than once. We are called to call these soldiers heroes.

I also guarantee these men will not be hanged and will have non-life sentences.

Your bullshit is bullshit and I'm sickened that you can look at this and claim we are superior, moral standards. This is our moment of shame and the very method by which you try and differ that blame by pointing to people who "must" be worse is sickeneing.

Yes, there are worse people out there. We shouldn't be emulating them. Nor should we praise ourselves when we barely avoid equalling them in the depths we can sink to.

We do not "barely avoid equalling them"; we are vastly superior to them. In the hundreds of thousands or American military who have served in Iraq, there are sure to be some bad guys. Hopefully, these bad guys, if they are such, will be hanged. No, I am not counting on that, but I am certainly hoping.

I absolutely refuse to believe that American GI's raped any eight year old girls,. Muhammed did, but that is a different story. You said this was reported in some European media. Which ones? As you should know, a "news media" can just as well be a propaganda sheet for its publisher. If you remember, Pravda (I believe that name means "truth" in Russian) used to describe what a workers' paradise the USSR was. Pravda was a very large European news medium.

Has this been reported in the American news media? Some newspapers would be drooling over a chance to report something like this, but they would need more than unfounded rumors.

How do you know there has been no investigation? There might very well have been an extensive one, which showed the reports to be strictly fabrications. In that case, there very likely would have been no report of an investigation.

This is not "our" moment of shame. It should be such for the accused but this was done, if it was, on their own. I certainly did not tell them to do it, nor did anybody else, except the one small group of men.

I merely point our that, bad is it is, it pales in comparison to what Iraqis are doing almost every day to their own people. I don't think anybody can seriously argue against that.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

We do not "barely avoid equalling them"; we are vastly superior to them. In the hundreds of thousands or American military who have served in Iraq, there are sure to be some bad guys. Hopefully, these bad guys, if they are such, will be hanged. No, I am not counting on that, but I am certainly hoping.

I absolutely refuse to believe that American GI's raped any eight year old girls,. Muhammed did, but that is a different story. You said this was reported in some European media. Which ones? As you should know, a "news media" can just as well be a propaganda sheet for its publisher. If you remember, Pravda (I believe that name means "truth" in Russian) used to describe what a workers' paradise the USSR was. Pravda was a very large European news medium.

Has this been reported in the American news media? Some newspapers would be drooling over a chance to report something like this, but they would need more than unfounded rumors.

How do you know there has been no investigation? There might very well have been an extensive one, which showed the reports to be strictly fabrications. In that case, there very likely would have been no report of an investigation.

This is not "our" moment of shame. It should be such for the accused but this was done, if it was, on their own. I certainly did not tell them to do it, nor did anybody else, except the one small group of men.

I merely point our that, bad is it is, it pales in comparison to what Iraqis are doing almost every day to their own people. I don't think anybody can seriously argue against that.

You know what...never mind.

You're normally a decent guy and this is patently absurd so I'm just calling this one on account of rain.

 

[Liar]

Muslims who have done the same kind of thing, or much worse, get away with ir and may even be hailed as heroes.

Are you actually saying, with a straight face and in all honesty, that Islam condones this kind of atrocity?

If not, then what the flying fuck ARE you saying?

 

[amicus]

Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi

August 19, 1991-March 12, 2006



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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast...main/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_incident

Last edited by Pure : 11-15-2006 at 05:29 PM.

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Pure, the Clown, posted the above to open a new thread. No comment, just the links, the title and the date.

One might question the thinking and the reasoning behind posting those links? I read them, both.


A few posts later he added this:

“…box, one has pled guilty.

http://kutv.com/topstories/topstori..._319123853.html

Last edited by Pure : 11-16-2006 at 12:42 AM.

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i understand that, in plea bargain, a person's act may NOT reflect his guilt. But where that person's account is corroborated by others--American soldier and Iraqis, and by the evidence, there is no reason to dismiss the account as inaccurate.

i didn't really open the thread to argue, but to remember the girl; i doubt that she and her family shot themselves and set fire to their bodies.

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Think about the words in bold for just a moment…

Then read the rest of the posts, go back and read all of them again and try to determine a motive here within the meaning and actual words of each poster.

Something very sick and corrupt is going on here, I know what it is, but rather than say it, I leave it up to you.

I will unsubscribe to this thread upon posting my comments as I do not wish to further the sickness.

Amicus…

 

[Pure]

thanks for the bump, ami,

Hi Box,
BLI absolutely refuse to believe that American GI's raped any eight year old girls,. Muhammed did, but that is a different story. You said this was reported in some European media. Which ones? As you should know, a "news media" can just as well be a propaganda sheet for its publisher. If you remember, Pravda (I believe that name means "truth" in Russian) used to describe what a workers' paradise the USSR was. Pravda was a very large European news medium.

Has this been reported in the American news media? Some newspapers would be drooling over a chance to report something like this, but they would need more than unfounded rumors.

The Abeer case IS widely reported on, in the US media. I realize you only trust your country's media as a truth source.... what can I say.
You probably believe lots of lies.

The case against the three is proceeding in military court. As Liar says, they won't get any supreme penalty, though you'd think rape followed by murder of four, followed by coverup would cause concern.

OF course the vast majority of US soldiers are fine and upstanding, but all of us can go over the edge.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Hi Box,
BLI absolutely refuse to believe that American GI's raped any eight year old girls,. Muhammed did, but that is a different story. You said this was reported in some European media. Which ones? As you should know, a "news media" can just as well be a propaganda sheet for its publisher. If you remember, Pravda (I believe that name means "truth" in Russian) used to describe what a workers' paradise the USSR was. Pravda was a very large European news medium.

Has this been reported in the American news media? Some newspapers would be drooling over a chance to report something like this, but they would need more than unfounded rumors.

The Abeer case IS widely reported on, in the US media. I realize you only trust your country's media as a truth source.... what can I say.
You probably believe lots of lies.

The case against the three is proceeding in military court. As Liar says, they won't get any supreme penalty, though you'd think rape followed by murder of four, followed by coverup would cause concern.

OF course the vast majority of US soldiers are fine and upstanding, but all of us can go over the edge.

My response was to Luc, who had claimed that Americans rape right year old Iraqi girls, and that this was reported in European media. We all know that some news media, including some American ones, are just propaganda sheets for someone or other. Since I haven't seen anything about the eight year old girls in American news media, I don't believe it. If there was any kind of proof that it happened, American news media would be all over it, just as they are over the Abeer case. Like you, many of them would not pass up a chance to blacken America's reputation, but they are honest enough that they would need some kind of evidence.

If these men ar guilty, as seems to be the case, I hope they hang. Failing that, lethal injection would be appropriate.

I don't trust American media very much. I know they slant stories the way they want and sometimes print rumors as fact, or make up stories. However, sometimes they are truthful.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Muslims who have done the same kind of thing, or much worse, get away with ir and may even be hailed as heroes.

Response by Liar:

Are you actually saying, with a straight face and in all honesty, that Islam condones this kind of atrocity?

If not, then what the flying fuck ARE you saying?

I don't know what Islam condones and what it does not. I do know that when Muhammed and his successors were conquering most of the Middle East, they committed wholesale atrocities. These were not only condoned, they were encouraged, and the victorious Muslims were hailed as heroes. I also know from reliable sources what the Janjaweed militias are doing in Darfur, atrocities many times worse than anything Americans are doing now, or probably have ever done. Certainly the Sudanese government is doing nothing to discourage them.

Muslims have done many other horrendous things, with no complaints from the Arab or Muslim world. The 9/11 hijackers were hailed heroes by many. I don't know if they raped anybody or not, but they murdered thousands.

 

[SeaCat]

I will now back out of this thread.

The branding of a group of people because of the actions of a minority is disgusting to me.

Some bring up the history of Islam to back their views, and yet they neglect the history of other religeons which are just as bad. (Yes this does include their own I am more than sure.)

Some bring up the actions of a small minority to back their views, and yet ignore what is going on around the world including the United States.

It is sad, it is disgusting, and yet it is more than commonplace.

Maybe someday people will open their minds and their hears to that whih is different, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Cat

 

[Boxlicker101]

I will now back out of this thread.

The branding of a group of people because of the actions of a minority is disgusting to me.

Some bring up the history of Islam to back their views, and yet they neglect the history of other religeons which are just as bad. (Yes this does include their own I am more than sure.)

Some bring up the actions of a small minority to back their views, and yet ignore what is going on around the world including the United States.

It is sad, it is disgusting, and yet it is more than commonplace.

Maybe someday people will open their minds and their hears to that whih is different, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Cat

Personally, I am something of an agnostic but, one thing I will say for Christianity as opposed to Islam is this: In its beginning, C. was spread peacefullym with misionaries carrying the word, even suffering deprivations to do so. Islam was spread by blood and death from its origins, with Medina attacking Mecca. It is still fairly bloodthirsty. After the first few years, C. was just as bad, with the Crusades and the conquest of South and Central America.

I don't believe the minority is all that small, and the majority is being "Good Germans".

 

[Pure]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/16/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


Soldier gets life in rape of Iraqi girl and killings of family

POSTED: 9:20 p.m. EST, November 16, 2006
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FORT CAMPBELL, Kentucky (AP) -- A soldier was sentenced Thursday to life in prison with the possibility of parole for conspiring to rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and kill her and her family.

Spc. James P. Barker, 23, one of four Fort Campbell soldiers accused in the March 12 rape and killings, pleaded guilty Wednesday and agreed to testify against the others to avoid the death penalty.
Under terms of the plea agreement, Barker will not serve more than 90 years in prison and has the possibility of parole, said Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, the military judge presiding over the court-martial. (Watch Barker's lawyer discuss soldier's feelings about case -- 2:04)

"This court sentences you to be confined for the length of your natural life, with the eligibility of parole," Anderson said.


[...]
Barker described in vivid detail how he raped the 14-year-old girl with Cortez and Green. Green killed the girl, her younger sister and parents, Barker testified.

"Cortez pushed her to the ground. I went towards the top of her and kind of held her hands down while Cortez proceeded to lift her dress up," he said. "Around that time I heard shots coming from a room next door."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5253160.stm?ls

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Investigator Benjamin Bierce interviewed Mr Barker, 23, on 30 June and took down his statement, he told the hearing at a US military base in Baghdad.

On the day of the attack the soldiers had been drinking Iraqi whisky mixed with an energy drink and practising golf strokes at a checkpoint south of Baghdad, Mr Barker's statement said.
One of the soldiers, Steven Green, said he "wanted to go to a house and kill some Iraqis," it alleged.

The four eventually went to a house about 200 metres (yards) away and put the parents and their five-year old daughter in the bedroom, but kept the older girl in the living room.
According to Mr Barker's statement, he and Mr Cortez took it in turns to rape or attempt to rape her.

Mr Barker heard shots from the bedroom, and Steven Green emerged with an AK-47 in his hand saying "They're all dead. I just killed them."

According to the testimony, Mr Green then also raped the girl and shot her dead.

Her body was doused in kerosene and set alight.

 

[Boxlicker101]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/16/iraq.slaying.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


Soldier gets life in rape of Iraqi girl and killings of family

POSTED: 9:20 p.m. EST, November 16, 2006
Adjust font size:


FORT CAMPBELL, Kentucky (AP) -- A soldier was sentenced Thursday to life in prison with the possibility of parole for conspiring to rape a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and kill her and her family.

Spc. James P. Barker, 23, one of four Fort Campbell soldiers accused in the March 12 rape and killings, pleaded guilty Wednesday and agreed to testify against the others to avoid the death penalty.
Under terms of the plea agreement, Barker will not serve more than 90 years in prison and has the possibility of parole, said Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, the military judge presiding over the court-martial. (Watch Barker's lawyer discuss soldier's feelings about case -- 2:04)

"This court sentences you to be confined for the length of your natural life, with the eligibility of parole," Anderson said.


[...]
Barker described in vivid detail how he raped the 14-year-old girl with Cortez and Green. Green killed the girl, her younger sister and parents, Barker testified.

"Cortez pushed her to the ground. I went towards the top of her and kind of held her hands down while Cortez proceeded to lift her dress up," he said. "Around that time I heard shots coming from a room next door."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5253160.stm?ls

[...]
Investigator Benjamin Bierce interviewed Mr Barker, 23, on 30 June and took down his statement, he told the hearing at a US military base in Baghdad.

On the day of the attack the soldiers had been drinking Iraqi whisky mixed with an energy drink and practising golf strokes at a checkpoint south of Baghdad, Mr Barker's statement said.
One of the soldiers, Steven Green, said he "wanted to go to a house and kill some Iraqis," it alleged.

The four eventually went to a house about 200 metres (yards) away and put the parents and their five-year old daughter in the bedroom, but kept the older girl in the living room.
According to Mr Barker's statement, he and Mr Cortez took it in turns to rape or attempt to rape her.

Mr Barker heard shots from the bedroom, and Steven Green emerged with an AK-47 in his hand saying "They're all dead. I just killed them."

According to the testimony, Mr Green then also raped the girl and shot her dead.

Her body was doused in kerosene and set alight.

They are all scum. One guy cut a plea bargain and got off lighter than he should have. I hope the others all hang.

 

[Pure]

box, i think 90 years is suitable for the first guy! i generally don't favor capital punishment but preplanned coldblooded murder of a family comes pretty close!

 

[Boxlicker101]

box, i think 90 years is suitable for the first guy! i generally don't favor capital punishment but preplanned coldblooded murder of a family comes pretty close!

90 years would be adequate, if that's what the sentence means. If he actually stayed in prison for 90 years or until he died, that would be okay. However, the way the system works, he can get out in about six months. Okay, I am exaggerating about that, but he can get out in only a small fraction of the sentence, and that's wrong.