A Yearning for the "Old Days"

[Panache1957]

Am I the only guy who still lives in the past when men actually took care of his woman; opened cars doors, slid the chair underneath her when she sat down, took care of the bills, the house, was the breadwinner? Treated her like a princess; made sure she was financially, mentally, and physically taken care of.

And in return the woman would be true, loyal, act like a princess in public and a tigress at night. She supplied all of her man's needs and wanted nothing more than to spend the rest of her life with him.

Somewhere along the line men became the butt of jokes on TV Sitcoms. They became fat beer belly idiots whose only ambition was to read the paper, scratch his balls, and watch sports on TV.

Are there any "normal men" left and women who want to be with them? Was it such a bad idea that I grew up in or is just now "out of style"?

Let me hear how you feel, both men and women!

PS. If there are any women left who desire this kind of lifestyle, drop me a PM.

 

[Lyrical Fool]

Treated her like a princess; made sure she was financially, mentally, and physically taken care of.

Good in theory, but....

I gotta admit, sounds more like a co-dependent relationship than a healthy one. But that's just me. I prefer taking care of myself financially, mentally, and physically, and have someone to share it with.

Different strokes, I suppose.

 

[Missingmeds]

Am I the only guy who still lives in the past when men actually took care of his woman; opened cars doors, slid the chair underneath her when she sat down, took care of the bills, the house, was the breadwinner? Treated her like a princess; made sure she was financially, mentally, and physically taken care of.

And in return the woman would be true, loyal, act like a princess in public and a tigress at night. She supplied all of her man's needs and wanted nothing more than to spend the rest of her life with him.

Somewhere along the line men became the butt of jokes on TV Sitcoms. They became fat beer belly idiots whose only ambition was to read the paper, scratch his balls, and watch sports on TV.

Are there any "normal men" left and women who want to be with them? Was it such a bad idea that I grew up in or is just now "out of style"?

Let me hear how you feel, both men and women!

PS. If there are any women left who desire this kind of lifestyle, drop me a PM.

While it is all great in theory and on paper and it worked in the tv shows of the late 50's and early 60's for the most part, it just doesn't work today. At least not that I can find the man that it works with.

 

[Panache1957]

While it is all great in theory and on paper and it worked in the tv shows of the late 50's and early 60's for the most part, it just doesn't work today. At least not that I can find the man that it works with.

So what part doesn't work anymore?.the treatment of the man to the woman? the part where a man is something more tahn a sports watching, couch potatoe who sits around belching because he doesn't have any brain cells left?

Perhaps it's that today we don't "allow" ourselves to be who we are meant to be....loving, kind, and respectful to each other...........and isn't that the essence os sexuality?

 

[KawGuy]

Location!!!!!!!!!!!

Location is everything.

Here in the good ol' midwest, you can still open a door for a woman, and receive a smile and a think you.

I will admit, there are some that don't care for that kind of treatment. But, I know they are just acting like a big city girl. Whoops...I typed girl didn't I?

 

[Guest]

So what part doesn't work anymore?.the treatment of the man to the woman? the part where a man is something more tahn a sports watching, couch potatoe who sits around belching because he doesn't have any brain cells left?

Perhaps it's that today we don't "allow" ourselves to be who we are meant to be....loving, kind, and respectful to each other...........and isn't that the essence os sexuality?

Personaly I would Love to have that kind of respect shown to me. It would be nice to have a man treat you like a lady, instead of how "Some" of these midwestern rednecks do. (And yes, I'm from Missouri also) Like "Hey Bitch get me a beer" and then turn around and scratch their balls and wonder why us Ladies don't want anything to do with them. In my eyes, Thats why there is so much divorce nowadays. I have been independant for 23 yrs now after having an abusive husband.

Wake up ladies, This is a Real Man talking, and I for one Commend you Sir for being the way you are. A Lot of men could learn from you.

Lady Wolf

 

[Panache1957]

Personaly I would Love to have that kind of respect shown to me. It would be nice to have a man treat you like a lady, instead of how "Some" of these midwestern rednecks do. (And yes, I'm from Missouri also) Like "Hey Bitch get me a beer" and then turn around and scratch their balls and wonder why us Ladies don't want anything to do with them. In my eyes, Thats why there is so much divorce nowadays. I have been independant for 23 yrs now after having an abusive husband.

Wake up ladies, This is a Real Man talking, and I for one Commend you Sir for being the way you are. A Lot of men could learn from you.

Lady Wolf

Thank you shewolf, and I think you also have what it takes.....

 

[Pyro Paul]

again ive said it before..

Chilvery is dead because of womens lib.

Chilvary and the idea of opening womens doors, sitting them down, catering to their whims came from Old europe and the idea that women where property, and as your, you must keep her 'pure' and not taint her with labour(rich Old europe). in some truths, the biggest form of womanizing is being a gentlemen (according to some femminists) since it is saying that 'You cant open your Own door so let me Help you'

in this modern day and age, women want to Do things themselves. They want to be independet and treated like 'normal' human beings some one you shoot the shit with and sit in a bar having a beer with. not some idiolic podeum of worship or infferior beast that requires your guidence.

now I was brought up in a military home and it was beating into me to be respectful to others and do these things of chilvary. and i do, ill open doors for women (even if i so duely hate them) and ill be nice to them regardless. i hate some of the girls i work with, with a passion. but i still be nice to them because they are women and i was taught better.

its a dying trend because of womens rights, much like everything else in history. and though the reasons of why may have been bad (they where too weak to do it themselves) or good (we must treat them well so they stay pure) its a shame that it is dying.

 

[Guest]

again ive said it before..

Chilvery is dead because of womens lib.

Chilvary and the idea of opening womens doors, sitting them down, catering to their whims came from Old europe and the idea that women where property, and as your, you must keep her 'pure' and not taint her with labour(rich Old europe). in some truths, the biggest form of womanizing is being a gentlemen (according to some femminists) since it is saying that 'You cant open your Own door so let me Help you'

in this modern day and age, women want to Do things themselves. They want to be independet and treated like 'normal' human beings some one you shoot the shit with and sit in a bar having a beer with. not some idiolic podeum of worship or infferior beast that requires your guidence.

now I was brought up in a military home and it was beating into me to be respectful to others and do these things of chilvary. and i do, ill open doors for women (even if i so duely hate them) and ill be nice to them regardless. i hate some of the girls i work with, with a passion. but i still be nice to them because they are women and i was taught better.

its a dying trend because of womens rights, much like everything else in history. and though the reasons of why may have been bad (they where too weak to do it themselves) or good (we must treat them well so they stay pure) its a shame that it is dying.

AH But Paul we ALL aren't Liber's. Some of us DO enjoy the better things in life. Like being treated with respect.

 

[Guest]

Thank you shewolf, and I think you also have what it takes.....

Thank you Panache, I was brought up in the old school myself

 

[Pyro Paul]

AH But Paul we ALL aren't Liber's. Some of us DO enjoy the better things in life. Like being treated with respect.

bah respect that was just some song... lol j/p

yes some of us would like to be treated with respect, unforutnatly a lot of us dont.

 

[Guest]

bah respect that was just some song... lol j/p

yes some of us would like to be treated with respect, unfortunately a lot of us dont.

But there are and always will be the few that do Darlin. I live by the golden rule, Treat others as you would have them treat you.

 

[seaturtle50]

Seems to me ...

its kinda like saying "why don't all women enjoy bondage?" I love to pamper - but of course must assess the sensibilities and wants of my companion.

I would find no joy in giving her something that she does not want, or something that I knew was a "turn-off" to her. I could not enjoy that at all.

I too grew up in the age of chivalry. I LOVE it. I must say however, that I have never (not even one single time) in my 48 years viewed a woman as "less than" me - in any way whatsoever.

As a matter of fact, I also like it if she were to open my door - or place my chair when I am sitting, or do anything like that. To me Chivalry is more about extending a kindness, a gift, an unmerited favor. I learned it and have always taken it as a sign of affection - not my doing something for her because she is not perfectly capable of doing that thing for herself.

I have found that there are plenty of women who not only desire and like this type of treatment - but also crave it from a man that they love. If I were not able to get with a woman who would appreciate my values and my desires to "give" to her in these small ways - I would need to take a look at my choices (of who I am selecting to be with).

There have been times when I was willing to happily forgo some things that I enjoy - because I thought there were other things that were more important. I also found that I slowly began to become someone other than my true self (amazing how that can sneak up on ya )

My light - which used to shine so brightly, began to dull. I think it important that I be true to myself first. Otherwise I'm liable to find myself in denial - and sadness.

 

[Guest]

its kinda like saying "why don't all women enjoy bondage?" I love to pamper - but of course must assess the sensibilities and wants of my companion.

I would find no joy in giving her something that she does not want, or something that I knew was a "turn-off" to her. I could not enjoy that at all.

I too grew up in the age of chivalry. I LOVE it. I must say however, that I have never (not even one single time) in my 48 years viewed a woman as "less than" me - in any way whatsoever.

As a matter of fact, I also like it if she were to open my door - or place my chair when I am sitting, or do anything like that. To me Chivalry is more about extending a kindness, a gift, an unmerited favor. I learned it and have always taken it as a sign of affection - not my doing something for her because she is not perfectly capable of doing that thing for herself.

I have found that there are plenty of women who not only desire and like this type of treatment - but also crave it from a man that they love. If I were not able to get with a woman who would appreciate my values and my desires to "give" to her in these small ways - I would need to take a look at my choices (of who I am selecting to be with).

There have been times when I was willing to happily forgo some things that I enjoy - because I thought there were other things that were more important. I also found that I slowly began to become someone other than my true self (amazing how that can sneak up on ya )

My light - which used to shine so brightly, began to dull. I think it important that I be true to myself first. Otherwise I'm liable to find myself in denial - and sadness.

Seaturtle, You are a man with many words. And it is very nice to see them. A for you Darlin for being in that great catagory with the rest of the gentlemen here.

 

[Missingmeds]

So what part doesn't work anymore?.the treatment of the man to the woman? the part where a man is something more tahn a sports watching, couch potatoe who sits around belching because he doesn't have any brain cells left?

Perhaps it's that today we don't "allow" ourselves to be who we are meant to be....loving, kind, and respectful to each other...........and isn't that the essence os sexuality?

The part that isn't working for me is finding a man that thinks the way that you do.

Perhaps it is that more people are more worried about what society in general thinks than what is important to themselves and their mates.

 

[Ogmios]

I think I'm going to have to add my voice to the party of "Chivalry is being actively destroyed." Hardcore affirmative action is ruining society in general, I think, to the point where your race, gender, or creed are more important than your actual qualifications when applying for a job.

I'm a huge fan of Chivalry, and I agree that it is a two-way street. If everyone is nice to everyone else, there would be a utopian society. That, however, is probably never going to happen. I will still be taken to task for opening the door for certain women, or generally doing things that I was tought are polite as, somehow, helping others now degrades them.

Ah, to be born in earlier times...

 

[Panache1957]

I think I'm going to have to add my voice to the party of "Chivalry is being actively destroyed." Hardcore affirmative action is ruining society in general, I think, to the point where your race, gender, or creed are more important than your actual qualifications when applying for a job.

I'm a huge fan of Chivalry, and I agree that it is a two-way street. If everyone is nice to everyone else, there would be a utopian society. That, however, is probably never going to happen. I will still be taken to task for opening the door for certain women, or generally doing things that I was tought are polite as, somehow, helping others now degrades them.

Ah, to be born in earlier times...

I just happen to be of the opinion ( and you know what they say about opinions ) that a sense of style and class NEVERT GO OUT OF STYLE. I WANT to believe that people act in a rude and vulgar manner because we seem to have come to a point in our society when if you are a gentleman you are weak, when just the opposite is true.

 

[ttspyder]

Chivalry is Dead??? OMFG why wasn't I told this???

All kidding aside, IMHO Chivalry for the most part may be dead for some people, but not in my book.

1. I politely refer to men senior to me in age and stature as "Sir" until told to do otherwise.

2. I politely refer to women senior to me in age and stature as "Ma'am" until told to do otherwise.

3. I will more often than not, open a ladies car door, if she waits for me to do so. I will also close the car door if she will allow it.

4. I always open doors for the folks immediately following me into or out of a building, and I will always hold the door for a woman.

5. I will always walk on the street side of the woman I am with, just in case.

6. I have been known to give my jacket to a woman or a child who is cold.

7. I will not sit in a seat on a matter of conveyance if there is a woman or a man senior to me in age or stature standing.

The list could go on and on, but chivalry is only dead for those men whom have become too bitter or to indignent about the current state of intra-sex relationships that they have decided that it is simply not worth the effort. Maybe the are to busy learning to be "sensitive". When they should really understand that our Creater gave us two ears, two eyes and a single mouth for a reason.

I firmly believe that the death of chivalry is a choice for each of us, we chose to make the effort our we don't. I personally believe its wholly worth the effort, and will continue to practice the things my father taught me were right for gentlemen to do and that my mother absolutely held me to task.

Its funny about how chivalry is falling off with many in a time when it has become socially acceptable to stand on your morals and principles in the face of adversity. Isn't generally regarded amongst both sexes, that doing what you believe is right in the face of adversity and when all others around you seem to be abondoning thier principles or beliefs, that a person demonstrates the attributes of Strength, Physical and Moral Courage, and Self Confidence. I believe that in an audience of 100 woman, most of them would place these attributes very high on the cut-list for choosing a life partner. Why wouldnt you want to demonstrate them?

Just my two cents worth.

Special thanks to my Father for being twice the Father and Husband to my Mother and us Kids, than I could ever hope to be. I won't let you down!


TT

 

[Buster Shmoove]

Am I the only guy who still lives in the past when men actually took care of his woman; opened cars doors, slid the chair underneath her when she sat down, took care of the bills, the house, was the breadwinner? Treated her like a princess; made sure she was financially, mentally, and physically taken care of.

And in return the woman would be true, loyal, act like a princess in public and a tigress at night. She supplied all of her man's needs and wanted nothing more than to spend the rest of her life with him.

Somewhere along the line men became the butt of jokes on TV Sitcoms. They became fat beer belly idiots whose only ambition was to read the paper, scratch his balls, and watch sports on TV.

Are there any "normal men" left and women who want to be with them? Was it such a bad idea that I grew up in or is just now "out of style"?

Let me hear how you feel, both men and women!

PS. If there are any women left who desire this kind of lifestyle, drop me a PM.

that's pathetic. shame on you.

 

[Kowboy]

I believe that some of a gentleman's behavior has to do with where he was raised. Here in the Midwest, if you can call Ohio the Midwest, I was taught all of these things and more. In addition, I believe that the male should pay, unless it is an existing relationship.

When my ex-wife and I adopted a child, she then did not have a job outside of the home. (I do not think that I could handle all that a woman does when she is a "housewife" and mother. I greatly admire those, both female and male, who do this).This was because we both felt that her time was best served focusing on our daughter. I know this was "old fashioned" thinking. However, I still believe that it was the right thing to do. Now that our daughter attends school, she, and her husband, have decided that she should work outside of the home again.

I know that I will probably get beat up for this thinking, but I will not change how I was raised.

All kidding aside, IMHO Chivalry for the most part may be dead for some people, but not in my book.

1. I politely refer to men senior to me in age and stature as "Sir" until told to do otherwise.

2. I politely refer to women senior to me in age and stature as "Ma'am" until told to do otherwise.

3. I will more often than not, open a ladies car door, if she waits for me to do so. I will also close the car door if she will allow it.

4. I always open doors for the folks immediately following me into or out of a building, and I will always hold the door for a woman.

5. I will always walk on the street side of the woman I am with, just in case.

6. I have been known to give my jacket to a woman or a child who is cold.

7. I will not sit in a seat on a matter of conveyance if there is a woman or a man senior to me in age or stature standing.

The list could go on and on, but chivalry is only dead for those men whom have become too bitter or to indignent about the current state of intra-sex relationships that they have decided that it is simply not worth the effort. Maybe the are to busy learning to be "sensitive". When they should really understand that our Creater gave us two ears, two eyes and a single mouth for a reason.

I firmly believe that the death of chivalry is a choice for each of us, we chose to make the effort our we don't. I personally believe its wholly worth the effort, and will continue to practice the things my father taught me were right for gentlemen to do and that my mother absolutely held me to task.

Its funny about how chivalry is falling off with many in a time when it has become socially acceptable to stand on your morals and principles in the face of adversity. Isn't generally regarded amongst both sexes, that doing what you believe is right in the face of adversity and when all others around you seem to be abondoning thier principles or beliefs, that a person demonstrates the attributes of Strength, Physical and Moral Courage, and Self Confidence. I believe that in an audience of 100 woman, most of them would place these attributes very high on the cut-list for choosing a life partner. Why wouldnt you want to demonstrate them?

Just my two cents worth.

Special thanks to my Father for being twice the Father and Husband to my Mother and us Kids, than I could ever hope to be. I won't let you down!


TT

 

[comtec2005]

Am I confused???

I just happen to be of the opinion ( and you know what they say about opinions ) that a sense of style and class NEVERT GO OUT OF STYLE. I WANT to believe that people act in a rude and vulgar manner because we seem to have come to a point in our society when if you are a gentleman you are weak, when just the opposite is true.

I get a bit confused anymore. Is being polite and respectful not "politically correct" anymore? I was raised with most of the mannerisms listed in this thread, plus required to speak properly. OMG, I'm old On the other hand, I want people to be polite and respectful to me, shouldn't I treat others that way?

Oh well, I think I'll stick to just being me. I will not start a conversation with a woman with 'hey bitch lets f...', even online. Might end up there, but not right off. I choose to be a bit more polite. I also will not look at a woman as just tits and ass. I most definitely enjoy looking at them, feeling them, playing with them, but there is more to the woman than just t & a. So to me that goes with respect.

In real life, most of the time you start with a conversation, either short or long, a bit of banter or flirting, and work your way up, or in. Why not the same online?

Like I said, I'll stick to just being me. This way I don't have to remember who I misrepresented myself to, lied to, offended, or pissed off... (stepping down from soap box)...

 

[Panache1957]

Sometimes, I think that if a wpman percieves a man to be "romantic and old fashioned" we somehow are not excting or enjoy fucking their brains out. One has nothing to do with the other, yet there is definately the thought process out there. Sadly, I've had a post that said "Shame on you" Shame? for what, I must be stupid!

 

[Panache1957]

justa bump

 

[Guest]

Sometimes, I think that if a wpman percieves a man to be "romantic and old fashioned" we somehow are not excting or enjoy fucking their brains out. One has nothing to do with the other, yet there is definately the thought process out there. Sadly, I've had a post that said "Shame on you" Shame? for what, I must be stupid!

Good evening Panache, Stupid your not. I will take "romantic" "Old Fashioned" any day

 

[Lyrical Fool]

I'm a huge fan of Chivalry, and I agree that it is a two-way street. If everyone is nice to everyone else, there would be a utopian society. That, however, is probably never going to happen. I will still be taken to task for opening the door for certain women, or generally doing things that I was tought are polite as, somehow, helping others now degrades them.

"The seed of the soul is to serve." (Unknown)

I saw that on a bumper sticker once, I loved it.

I do NOT consider being gentlemanly weak, and yet I love a man with an ungentlemanly (read: twisted) sense of humor. Kinda like Gene Simmons "I want a lady on my arm and a whore in the bedroom," scenario.

There are some things that I *love* having done for me. The problem is, is that when someone fights so hard for independence and self-reliance, reasonable expectations of letting someone do such-and-such for you are doubted. You get used to doing them yourself, and either a) don't think of actually asking for them or b) don't bother asking for them due to some stupid fear, imposition, whatever.

Opening doors will earn a smile, but my darkest pampering desire is to have my hair washed.

I don't want to be "taken care of." I can, and prefer, doing that myself. I do, however, love to be indulged.

Therein lies the difference to me.