"A Woman's Right"

[Ishmael]

This is a derivative of some comments made in another recent thread to be specific, and many other threads in general regarding a woman's "right to privacy" which has morphed into a woman's "right to her own body."

Accepting all of the above, what right does the government have to criminalize prostitution? That is not to say the government has no interest, merely to ask, "what right?"

Addressing the governments interests specifically, they are two-fold. Taxation and public health. Both of which can be addressed via appropriate legislation. Current law in all states save one are quite literally moral legislation's and the SCOTUS did away with moral legislation's decades ago.

The existence of laws outlawing prostitution are a violation of the woman's "right to their own body." One cannot hold the view that a woman can have abortions at will based on the aforementioned premises and be against prostitution. Those views, to my mind, are philosophically contradictory.

Historically those laws against prostitution have been lobbied for by women. Why would that be if they are in control of their own bodies? They're responsible but other women aren't? A fear that some other woman might 'pussy whip' the man they think they own? (A whole other subject.)

The dynamics and permutations are endless.

Ishmael

 

[Christobal]

I've wondered about the law on this. If you give it away that's fine.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Legalizing murder is always going to involve contradictions especially when the justification is an emotion-based appeal...



And no, I am not advocating that we punish women with babies they don't want. It's her right to do whatever she wants with her reproductive organs. It's not up to any of us men to "arbitrarily" decide when life begins. That is the decision of the individual woman. In fact, until the little thing is viable in the feral sense, able to forage under its own power and able to find something to eat, it's not really alive, in the sense of a person, so the woman has the right to abort it long after birth. It's part of her body...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Legalizing murder is always going to involve contradictions especially when the justification is an emotion-based appeal...



And no, I am not advocating that we punish women with babies they don't want. It's her right to do whatever she wants with her reproductive organs. It's not up to any of us men to "arbitrarily" decide when life begins. That is the decision of the individual woman. In fact, until the little thing is viable in the feral sense, able to forage under its own power and able to find something to eat, it's not really alive, in the sense of a person, so the woman has the right to abort it long after birth. It's part of her body...

Poor Sensei Rotundo!

The half-breed half-wit routinely touts his sooooperior college education, but cannot seem to discern the difference between "Physical Independence" and "Social Independence".

 

[Disgustipated]

eeyore, Ishtard and Tristee enjoy the laurels of other's hard work when the make "spin-off" threads.

Plus, Ish waxing about "women's" anything is hi-larious.

 

[hashtag45]

.Historically those laws against prostitution have been lobbied for by women. Why would that be if they are in control of their own bodies? They're responsible but other women aren't? A fear that some other woman might 'pussy whip' the man they think they own? (A whole other subject.)

The dynamics and permutations are endless.

I don't know much about the topic, but I wouldn't think that it would still apply in this day and age (when most people are more informed because of the internet, massmedia, and so on).

Better have a 'business' (so to speak) that's regulated from many points of view:
- protecting the public (including wives and girlfriends) for one: mandatory SDT tests
- and protecting sex workers against abuse or human trafficking.

 

[Disgustipated]

I don't know much about the topic

Just copy & paste this every time you feel the unwanted desire to pist.

 

[hashtag45]

Just copy & paste this every time you feel the unwanted desire to pist.

Did you just think : I'm bored, so I'm gonna throw someting out there, hoping that it might stick ?
Tell you what: your talent would be put to much better use in either of these:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1347496

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1347504

 

[Emerson40]

Just copy & paste this every time you feel the unwanted desire to pist.

He is pretty good with the copy & paste, handy tool of the mimic.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/914b5fc864300ece8028752acf61f4a2/tumblr_oc4jidTPgl1rby04wo1_500.gif

 

[Disgustipated]

Did you just think : I'm bored, so I'm gonna throw someting out there, hoping that it might stick ?
Tell you what: your talent would be put to much better use in either of these:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1347496

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1347504

I replied to both threads, dumb-dumb.

http://i.imgur.com/TFGE7zL.jpg

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Legalizing murder is always going to involve contradictions especially when the justification is an emotion-based appeal...



And no, I am not advocating that we punish women with babies they don't want. It's her right to do whatever she wants with her reproductive organs. It's not up to any of us men to "arbitrarily" decide when life begins. That is the decision of the individual woman. In fact, until the little thing is viable in the feral sense, able to forage under its own power and able to find something to eat, it's not really alive, in the sense of a person, so the woman has the right to abort it long after birth. It's part of her body...

Let's see now....

It's "arbitrary" for men to decide when life begins, but not at all arbitrary to give that same declarative judgment of an objective scientific FACT to women based on nothing other than their gender.

And then you come right back and give us a set of conditions that, in your opinion, define life based on viability; a judgment you just said you didn't have the right to "arbitrarily" decide.

I think you just hit for the dumb dumb cycle.

 

[Conager]

eeyore, Ishtard and Tristee enjoy the laurels of other's hard work when the make "spin-off" threads.

Plus, Ish waxing about "women's" anything is hi-larious.

Posts are "hard work?"

I thought only manu was enjoying the Laurel. . .

 

[Disgustipated]

Posts are "hard work?"

I thought only manu was enjoying the Laurel. . .

You should make the "root" account more interesting than the alts. Otherwise, you end up with this.

 

[eyerami]

Let's see now....

It's "arbitrary" for men to decide when life begins, but not at all arbitrary to give that same declarative judgment of an objective scientific FACT to women based on nothing other than their gender.

And then you come right back and give us a set of conditions that, in your opinion, define life based on viability; a judgment you just said you didn't have the right to "arbitrarily" decide.

I think you just hit for the dumb dumb cycle.

Time to go visit mommy in that nursing home you put her in...

Your bulb definitely needs changing again.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You should make the "root" account more interesting than the alts. Otherwise, you end up with this.

#HeTriesSoooooHard

 

[smoothg103rd]

Abortions should be illegal. That is a life that is getting took. Don't have unprotected sex if you don't want the baby. The only time abortions should be prohibited is if the baby was conceive by rape.

The government get paid for abortions that's why it's legal. Anything the government get a cut from is legal. That's why drugs and prostitution will never be legal. Isn't ironic that pain pills and legal weed fuck a person up worse than drugs on the streets? And the shit is still legal.

 

[1sickbastard]

Prostitution laws barring human trafficking (basically 13th Amendment law) or those individual who are legally unable to consent (i.e. minors, adults with diminished mental capacity), no problem.

However, if an individual is considered a legal adult, that individual is sovereign, if nowhere else, within his or her own mind and body.

Period.

If someone want to give away a blowjob, there's no crime (at least since sodomy laws have been declared unconstitutional), but if that individual wants to monetize sex, why is that crime so long as it's a transaction between two consenting adults?

If a woman can be forced to carry a fetus, why shouldn't YOU be forced to give up a kidney or a lung or some other body part (besides the fact no one would consider your organs worth harvesting), so long as it "saves the life of an "innocent" person"?

And if "all human life is precious", why then do so many opposed to abortion also fall into the political camp that opposes a robust social system which provides health care, education and job training, decent housing and access to nutritious foods, especially to pregnant women and single parents?

Perhaps society should deal with unwanted pregnancy as an "Eminent Domain" issue: providing "just compensation" for the fetus's use of the host's body, including housing, food and medical care plus a cash award. ($50k sound about right? What is the fair market value of a fetus?)

Of course, that means higher taxes, which means society, via the gov't, is appropriating more of YOUR private property. Are you willing to pay the extra taxes?

Is it too much to expect any sort of ideological consistency?

 

[Conager]

You should make the "root" account more interesting than the alts. Otherwise, you end up with this.

Does that mean you're thinking of going back to looking at your dick? Disgustipated does seem less and less intetesting I must agree.

 

[stickygirl]

I'm struggling to find women who've lobbied for abortion but against prostitution. Could it be two different women - y'know like, women are women?

 

[Conager]

I'm struggling to find women who've lobbied for abortion but against prostitution. Could it be two different women - y'know like, women are women?

The point would be the struggle to find women that expressed enthusiasm for abortion and prostitution.

Noody lobbies against prostitution. It's already illegal; there's no anti-prostitution lobby.

 

[Sean]

The point would be the struggle to find women that expressed enthusiasm for abortion and prostitution.

Noody lobbies against prostitution. It's already illegal; there's no anti-prostitution lobby.

Maybe, but there are a lot of womens' rights groups that lobby for it to be legalised. As usual, Ishtard is full of shit.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Time to go visit mommy in that nursing home you put her in...

Your bulb definitely needs changing again.

Do you actually think this bus is taking you anywhere? Seriously?

Do you honestly think I should feel shame for making certain that my 92-year-old mother is getting the care she needs in a facility she repeatedly tells me she is "very happy" in? Can you imagine for a moment how thrilled I am that she still knows who I am, knows where she is and understands, accepts and appreciates the very care she is receiving? Do you have any idea how satisfying it is to have a relationship with a mother who cannot brag enough about her only son? Apparently not.

I can only tell you that I literally thank God every time (which is quite often) I encounter a miserable fuck like yourself who has obvious parental issues. What's yours?

Mom gave you up for adoption when you were 10? What took her so long?

She died in prison?

You never forgave her for that congenital case of HIV she gave you?

She could only pinpoint the identity of your father to one of 250 anonymous sailors she fucked during Fleet Week?

Whatever it was, I'm sorry it turned you into such a foul-smelling turd impersonation of a human being.

I'm seeing mom tonight, and we'll have a fine dinner better than either one of us could have prepared for the other. We will laugh, hug and have a fine time as we always do.

Best of all, your name won't come up and you'll continue to have no earthly conception of the love we share.

For me, life doesn't get much better than that.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Do you actually think this bus is taking you anywhere? Seriously?

Do you honestly think I should feel shame for making certain that my 92-year-old mother is getting the care she needs in a facility she repeatedly tells me she is "very happy" in? Can you imagine for a moment how thrilled I am that she still knows who I am, knows where she is and understands, accepts and appreciates the very care she is receiving? Do you have any idea how satisfying it is to have a relationship with a mother who cannot brag enough about her only son? Apparently not.

I can only tell you that I literally thank God every time (which is quite often) I encounter a miserable fuck like yourself who has obvious parental issues. What's yours?

Mom gave you up for adoption when you were 10? What took her so long?

She died in prison?

You never forgave her for that congenital case of HIV she gave you?

She could only pinpoint the identity of your father to one of 250 anonymous sailors she fucked during Fleet Week?

Whatever it was, I'm sorry it turned you into such a foul-smelling turd impersonation of a human being.

I'm seeing mom tonight, and we'll have a fine dinner better than either one of us could have prepared for the other. We will laugh, hug and have a fine time as we always do.

Best of all, your name won't come up and you'll continue to have no earthly conception of the love we share.

For me, life doesn't get much better than that.

Eyer's purported back-story is that his mother died in childbirth (complications from his neo-Neanderthal cranium getting stuck in her birth canal mayhaps?) and he grew up with no mother, and is extremely resentful of that fact.

He's channeled his angst over never having known his mommy into anti-abortion zealotry.

 

[Brollyanna]

Prostitution is OK if the woman freely chooses to do it. It is not OK when she is forced to do it by others. A bit like wearing a Burqa...

In any case, I don't think prostitution should be criminalized, mainly because that makes it more dangerous for the woman, but also for the men using prostitutes - think STDs, violent pimps and other crimes that might never get reported because of the illegality.

Also, the system sucks when sex work is among the few jobs that pays a living wage (as long as it's not "appropriated" by pimps or cops). That lack of choice of reasonably paid jobs mean that women do it in spite of all the obvious risks.

What abortion has to do with prostitution beats me.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Eyer's purported back-story is that his mother died in childbirth (complications from his neo-Neanderthal cranium getting stuck in her birth canal mayhaps?) and he grew up with no mother, and is extremely resentful of that fact.

He's channeled his angst over never having known his mommy into anti-abortion zealotry.

If that was actually true we could at least rejoice in the misery she was ultimately spared in trying vainly to raise such a latent sociopath.