A Three and a Half year ‘Lame Duck’ in the White House, “All the Wrong Stuff!

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I have watched, with a critical eye, each President of the United States take office since the second term of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956, and never have I witnessed a more “Keystone Cops” performance.

Americans are recoiling is disgust as the true intent of the new administration begins to take shape.

“Death Panels” (thanks Sarah) and, “Letting Gramma die”, is just the latest fiasco as the new administration continues to campaign as though the election were still in doubt. Now people are receiving unsolicited emails from the White House to support the health plan? Tell me it ain't so, Mo?

“Cash for Clunkers”, you might have heard the phrase, has gone eighty percent to Japanese and South Korean automobile manufacturers, while perfectly good gas guzzling SUV’s are being crushed and disposed of. Not a big thing, one surmises, it only cost three Billion dollars so far. (Bet NASA would like that in their budget, didja hear, no more manned space flight in this century? Thanks Obama)

That, just the latest and on top of Nationalizing the major Banks of the Nation, two of the three major automobile manufacturers, the bankrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the TARP funds, the bailouts, the Stimulus giveaway…(I quit counting the Billions and moved on to Trillions but I ain’t got enough old marbles to count that high!)

Of course, it is all George Bush’s fault, it must be; at least one Democrat per day reminds us of that.

I guess we can but hope that the traveling demagogue will be seduced by a white woman somewhere and gets caught, with film at eleven?

(Demagogy is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes.)

What a great time to be alive, eh?

Your everlovin’ Amicus…(…) (Smile, damnit!)

Gotcha! (Hi, JBJ)
 
AMICUS

Obama's running out of rope.

He has fillibuster-proof Democrat majorities in the House and Senate, and cant get his ObamaCare passed. One term President. Democrats lose the House in 2010.
 
Not sure if it'll go that fast. But progressives are beginning to wonder... when will the O stop singing kumbaya to a stone wall, and instead show his pimp hand?

Amicus may not think that Obama's policies and ideology is the right way to go. But if those that actually like his policies starts getting impatient that he don't have the balls to just do it, with the majorities the 08 election gave him, he's in actual trouble.

If the reality-challenge right keeps regurgitating laughable nonsense (thanks Sarah) until they're blue in the face, is less relevant.
 
The problem doesn't seem to me to be so much a left/right problem as a public problem. The people who show up fighting mad at the 'townhall meetings' are either just concerned citizens, or the right has a truly secret method of recruiting protestors.

The moves that are being proposed by Obama are going to leave the country in debt for a long time and the public doesn't seem to think that the benefits are worth the cost.

If the trend of public sentiment continues, there will be another radical change in the composition of Congress after the 2010 election.
 
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I have watched, with a critical eye, each President of the United States take office since the second term of Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956, and never have I witnessed a more “Keystone Cops” performance.

Americans are recoiling is disgust as the true intent of the new administration begins to take shape.

“Death Panels” (thanks Sarah) and, “Letting Gramma die”, is just the latest fiasco as the new administration continues to campaign as though the election were still in doubt. Now people are receiving unsolicited emails from the White House to support the health plan? Tell me it ain't so, Mo?

“Cash for Clunkers”, you might have heard the phrase, has gone eighty percent to Japanese and South Korean automobile manufacturers, while perfectly good gas guzzling SUV’s are being crushed and disposed of. Not a big thing, one surmises, it only cost three Billion dollars so far. (Bet NASA would like that in their budget, didja hear, no more manned space flight in this century? Thanks Obama)

That, just the latest and on top of Nationalizing the major Banks of the Nation, two of the three major automobile manufacturers, the bankrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the TARP funds, the bailouts, the Stimulus giveaway…(I quit counting the Billions and moved on to Trillions but I ain’t got enough old marbles to count that high!)

Of course, it is all George Bush’s fault, it must be; at least one Democrat per day reminds us of that.

I guess we can but hope that the traveling demagogue will be seduced by a white woman somewhere and gets caught, with film at eleven?

(Demagogy is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears and expectations of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes.)

What a great time to be alive, eh?

Your everlovin’ Amicus…(…) (Smile, damnit!)

Gotcha! (Hi, JBJ)

In all honesty, W was the pres. when Freddie and Fannie collapsed, but the Dems controlled the Congress for more than two years before it happened, and should have been more alert for it, instead of taking bribes and sweetheart deals from those they should have been watching.

However, Obama had nothing to do with it.

I don't know about "death panels" but, if healthcare becomes really scarce, it will be rationed, and older, unproductive citizens will probably be lower priority than young adults and children. :eek: I am an older adult, and the only thing I produce is dirty stories, so I will not have a high priority. Old people like me dying off will save money for Social Security also.

I believe what the Eskimos did was to put the old people out on an ice floe and let them freeze to death, or something like that. I don't expect us to ever go that far, but there may be something similar to that.
 
It just seems that cracks are appearing in what seemed to be an impenetrable majority by Democrats.

Telling, I think, was the video of ACORN members and SEIU people being bussed in yellow school busses (or buses) if you prefer, to the 'randomly' populated town hall meetings. They openly displayed their affiliation and support for the President and his policies.

Another thing noted on the Jim Lehrer news report last night, along with the eleven year old girl planted in the audience in New Hampshire, an eleven year old African American boy was featured in a manufactured interview that actually sickened me as I watched it.

America has always been a 'right of center' population in general and the left, with the many fringe issues, always a minority. Dissing the American people who take time out to attend these meetings and are rewarded with, 'Astroturf', not a grass roots movement, and being called, Unamerican, is not going over well at all...

Amicus
 
Obama's headed down the same road as Jimmy Carter. The anti-Nixon is now the anti-Bush. Both floated into DC on clouds of sunny optomism and extravagant promises and within a year Jimmy was a lame duck and Obama will be the same. At least Jimmy didn't plunge the nation into multi-generational debt, he just wanted us to freeze our asses off to save energy. :D
 
Carter, if I recall, left us with high interest rates and high inflation. I have no idea how the tax monies already spent by this administration will ever be paid, great grandkids maybe?

Amicus
 
It just seems that cracks are appearing in what seemed to be an impenetrable majority by Democrats.

Telling, I think, was the video of ACORN members and SEIU people being bussed in yellow school busses (or buses) if you prefer, to the 'randomly' populated town hall meetings. They openly displayed their affiliation and support for the President and his policies.

Another thing noted on the Jim Lehrer news report last night, along with the eleven year old girl planted in the audience in New Hampshire, an eleven year old African American boy was featured in a manufactured interview that actually sickened me as I watched it.

America has always been a 'right of center' population in general and the left, with the many fringe issues, always a minority. Dissing the American people who take time out to attend these meetings and are rewarded with, 'Astroturf', not a grass roots movement, and being called, Unamerican, is not going over well at all...

Amicus

The Usual Suspects and Protected Species are like the TRIX rabbit, they never suceed at concealing who they are.
 
Here on a Sunday, apparently Sebelius, former governor and one of the Tzar's in charge of something stated, 'not having a 'public option', is not a deal breaker, but we will pass a bill...'

So what, without public or government control, does she have in mind?

Amicus
 
Sebelius, former governor and one of the Tzar's in charge of something
She's the secretary of health and human services.

It's a little telling when this foreigner have a better grasp of who's who in the government, than the guy whose favourite hobby is to bash them.
 
Death panels. <snickers>

I love how this works. Because a national health service will never pay for every single cancer drug ever created, it's instantly an evil that will kill grandmothers. As opposed to the other system, which provides every medicine for everybody and will keep grandmothers alive for centuries... assuming they've sold their houses and bankrupted themselves to pay for the drugs.

I'd like to point out, from a country that has these 'Death panels' (and which has a higher life expectancy than the USA, I might add) that they aren't about denying particular people drugs. The individual person never comes into it. It's about particular treatments, usually hail mary drugs for people with terminal cancer.

They're not going to deny Gran her hip replacement because she's not providing enough value to society. In fact, a nationalised system is more likely to provide it, because it doesn't care if she doesn't happen to have several thousand quid tucked away for a rainy day.

The Earl
 
Here on a Sunday, apparently Sebelius, former governor and one of the Tzar's in charge of something stated, 'not having a 'public option', is not a deal breaker, but we will pass a bill...'

So what, without public or government control, does she have in mind?

Amicus

Its all about getting money to pay for MEDICARE, MEDICAID, and the MEXICANS.

The 3 Ms
 
America has always been a 'right of center' population in general and the left, with the many fringe issues, always a minority. Dissing the American people who take time out to attend these meetings and are rewarded with, 'Astroturf', not a grass roots movement, and being called, Unamerican, is not going over well at all...

Amicus

This is a perfect example of the Right taking words out of context. Obama never said the town hall meeting protesters were Unamerican, he said shouting down debate was Unamerican.

Another myth - the idea that America has always been 'right of center". If America really is 'right of center' why is the Republican Party polling lower now than at any time in recent history?

After Amicus' prediction of a McCain landslide, I see his pronouncements for what they really are - the rantings of an ideologue with no understanding of the country in which he lives.
 
She's the secretary of health and human services.

It's a little telling when this foreigner have a better grasp of who's who in the government, than the guy whose favourite hobby is to bash them.[/
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Spin it any which way, Liar, she was Governor of the State and defended the recently assassinated 'baby butcher', the partial abortion Doctor/millionaire.

She should be in prison not in government.

Amicus
 
This is a perfect example of the Right taking words out of context. Obama never said the town hall meeting protesters were Unamerican, he said shouting down debate was Unamerican.

Another myth - the idea that America has always been 'right of center". If America really is 'right of center' why is the Republican Party polling lower now than at any time in recent history?

After Amicus' prediction of a McCain landslide, I see his pronouncements for what they really are - the rantings of an ideologue with no understanding of the country in which he lives.

Why is Congress polling less than half of the President? After all they are doing his dirty work.
 
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Death panels. <snickers>

I love how this works. Because a national health service will never pay for every single cancer drug ever created, it's instantly an evil that will kill grandmothers. As opposed to the other system, which provides every medicine for everybody and will keep grandmothers alive for centuries... assuming they've sold their houses and bankrupted themselves to pay for the drugs.

I'd like to point out, from a country that has these 'Death panels' (and which has a higher life expectancy than the USA, I might add) that they aren't about denying particular people drugs. The individual person never comes into it. It's about particular treatments, usually hail mary drugs for people with terminal cancer.

They're not going to deny Gran her hip replacement because she's not providing enough value to society. In fact, a nationalised system is more likely to provide it, because it doesn't care if she doesn't happen to have several thousand quid tucked away for a rainy day.


The Earl

Nice to see you again, TheEarl, been a while. I misnamed you in a Post recently, as one, like Liar, who claims to be a free market/individual freedom advocate, but whom each plank you support indicates otherwise.

I wonder, in this whole debate between the extremes, that if the left, the government advocates, healthcare et al, I wonder if there is not a degree of shy cowardice involved; that of shirking individual responsibility of caring for family members and foisting it off on government?

I think it works the same way for most of the societal ills that are foisted off on the hired guns because individuals do not want the responsibility of feeding the hungry, and housing the homeless?

Turn it over to government, shrug your shoulders over the failures and the inhumanities and pay your taxes.

You might live that way. We do not.

Amicus
 
I wonder, in this whole debate between the extremes, that if the left, the government advocates, healthcare et al, I wonder if there is not a degree of shy cowardice involved; that of shirking individual responsibility of caring for family members and foisting it off on government?

Ami - explain to me how a person provides for their family when that person loses their free enterprise job? Would you advocate that they go out and steal your car? Would that earn them more respect in your eyes?

You may not have noticed, but the unemployment rate in the USA is approaching 10%. How is 10% of this country's population supposed to house and feed itself with no income? How are they supposed to buy health insurance for their families if they don't even have the money to pay the rent?

Your "bootstrap" theories are just that - theories - with no relevance to the world in which you would apply them. The economy of this country produces a consistent unemployment rate of at least 5%. It also depends on low-wage jobs to support the economic infrastructure that allows you to live your comfortable life with your benefits and your bank account. You may be able to disassociate yourself from the "losers" who donate their labor at an unlivable wage to support your lifestyle, but your very existence is dependent upon their sacrifice.

A learned fellow like yourself should be able to recognize this relationship of interdependence. If you choose to ignore it, you invalidate everything you advocate, because your advocacy is based on a false premise.

Good luck with that.

On the plus side, your vacant ramblings do provide a strange sort of entertainment value, much like a David Lynch movie where time is a mobius strip, and the dialogue is composed by demented scriptwriters with a penchant for pedantic drivel. The only thing missing is Patricia Arquette.
 
Well, DeeZire, I got a smile out of all that at the end anyway, so, as you said, not all is lost.

I will never be able to satiate your unending thirst for guaranteed comfort for life, a living wage for all, a 'cradle to grave' sense of well being under Big Brother; it is truly, the "Impossible Dream", (thanks Frank)

Only through your communal rose colored glasses will you ever see the society you envision.

Human values are earned, not gratuitously bestowed upon individuals. As a child must crawl before it walks and will fall and suffer in that learning process; so too must a society rely upon its' inner strength to enjoy, appreciate and protect those fundamental values that emerge from a free society.

Your communal society would sentence a full half of all populations to menial labor for a lifetime in return for a bowl of boiled oatmeal and a barracks of one hundred beds each, along with healthcare for the strong. (I speak of that Bell Curve of under 105 IQ)

My society offers both a Filet Mignon and a burger for a buck. It offers Opera and Rock n' Roll, it offers a country mansion or a Greenwich Village walk-up flat. All of which are earned, or not, but definitely not 'given' as a symbol of status in a Statist society.

As anyone with a rational mind and the ability to inquire knows, the current downturn is a direct result of government manipulation of the housing market through government agencies.

One need not apologize for the vagaries of economic boom and bust for it reflects the fortune and misfortune of individuals, families and mutual corporations of like interests that naturally takes place in a free society with free men making unfettered choices in their own best interest.

I know this is all an unknown and unexplored territory for you, but for others, it is not.

Amicus
 
Workers of the world unite...you have nothing to lose but your low-wage job. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, sure, TE, and Solidarity too! I just noticed a television advertisement in Real Estate, hawking an $8,000 rebate from Uncle Sam for buying a house? Is this another 'Cash For Clunkers' giveaway of tax monies that slipped my attention?

Will it never end?

Amicus
 
Yeah, sure, TE, and Solidarity too! I just noticed a television advertisement in Real Estate, hawking an $8,000 rebate from Uncle Sam for buying a house? Is this another 'Cash For Clunkers' giveaway of tax monies that slipped my attention?

Will it never end?

Amicus

Some are pushing for the rebate to go up to $15,000

But only for first-time home buyers. Better to get them when they're young and ignorant, y'know. ;)
 
Hello, Slyc, and a good evening to you and yours. I thought I might have heard the term, first time buyers, but I wasn't sure.

I suppose this will apply only to foreclosed homes with government financed mortgages? It would make sense, ahm, well, not really, but be consistent, there, a better description, of the continued bank and real estate mess.

I watch several news channels each weekday, I imagine this will be covered tomorrow sometime or other.

Have a good one...

Ami
 
This is a perfect example of the Right taking words out of context. Obama never said the town hall meeting protesters were Unamerican, he said shouting down debate was Unamerican.

I haven't seen the actual quote and Obama is not the only person who speaks but, if he has said that town hall protestors shout down debate and that shouting down debate is Unamerican, you can pretty much put one and one together.
Another myth - the idea that America has always been 'right of center". If America really is 'right of center' why is the Republican Party polling lower now than at any time in recent history?

I think that if you look at registration statistics, you will see that Dems. are not a majority because there are so many independents. Furthermore, I strongly believe that many people register as dems to placate union bosses or other Dem. hatchet men. In the voting booth, they vote their pocketbooks or conscience.
After Amicus' prediction of a McCain landslide, I see his pronouncements for what they really are - the rantings of an ideologue with no understanding of the country in which he lives.

I also predicted a McCain landslide. I was wrong, but I am firmly convinced that the landslide was prevented by the sudden collapse of the economy last summer, at a time when the Dems had been in control of Congress for over two years. :eek:
 
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