A special "day" to read "8" or "9" vote poems

[sack]

Along with the group recommendations on Sunday, I was wondering if a special day should be put aside (Saturday comes to mind) for people to post their poems that are "stuck" at 8 or 9 votes. Many of these poems are only not earning an "H" due to fewer people voting for poems in general. My idea is to have others review such poems, and vote FAIRLY...not a blanket "5" or "4" or any other number. The only drawback would be the trolls would notice too...but I wonder if the extra recognition for these "borderline" poems would be worth the public exposure. I need feedback here....it seems that everyone has a poem or two that amasses 8-9 votes and "dies", and this would address that common dilemma.

Sack

 

[WickedEve]

There are also poems many of us have that were submitted before we had public comments--so, no comments on many good poems.

Instead of a special day, you could try listing the poem's link in your sig line (others have done this in the past) and ask for enough votes to get you to 10. That usually works.

 

[PatCarrington]

There are also poems many of us have that were submitted before we had public comments--so, no comments on many good poems.

Instead of a special day, you could try listing the poem's link in your sig line (others have done this in the past) and ask for enough votes to get you to 10. That usually works.

or he could just talk about tits and dildos to start the race toward his poems.

that works too, no eve?

 

[Angeline]

There are also poems many of us have that were submitted before we had public comments--so, no comments on many good poems.

Instead of a special day, you could try listing the poem's link in your sig line (others have done this in the past) and ask for enough votes to get you to 10. That usually works.

I'm submitting one tonight I just noticed has been in preview mode on my poem list since last February.

 

[PatCarrington]

I'm submitting one tonight I just noticed has been in preview mode on my poem list since last February.

way to stay on top of things, angel.

 

[sack]

I actually have only one poem in this category...

for the moment, "Roadkill", but then I only have about 40 poems total. I was envisioning this helping people who have posted 100 or more poems where they might have 10 or more at 8 or 9 votes. Or this could simply be an ongoing thread where people can provide a link to their 8 or 9 vote poems at their leisure and others can comment on them. Concerning Wicked's statement about early poems not having public comments, I do not see why people cannot provide links to such poems and ask for public comments. That could be a new thread as well....Hmmmmm


Sack

 

[Angeline]

way to stay on top of things, angel.

I'm always finding poems I've forgotten I wrote. This one might be a goner though. I edited it and submitted it, went to bed and decided I needed to redo a line--when I clicked on "pending" though, it just kept sending me back to the main submit page. That has never happened before. Oh well....

 

[twelveoone]

Along with the group recommendations on Sunday, I was wondering if a special day should be put aside (Saturday comes to mind) for people to post their poems that are "stuck" at 8 or 9 votes. Many of these poems are only not earning an "H" due to fewer people voting for poems in general. My idea is to have others review such poems, and vote FAIRLY...not a blanket "5" or "4" or any other number. The only drawback would be the trolls would notice too...but I wonder if the extra recognition for these "borderline" poems would be worth the public exposure. I need feedback here....it seems that everyone has a poem or two that amasses 8-9 votes and "dies", and this would address that common dilemma.

Sack

Sack, forget the H's, you want H's get a fan club (or you can join one), go for quality comments, difficult thing to ask for, but strive for it.
Witch reminds me Eve, how come you turned your comments OFF but left the voting ON?
Give up?

 

[bogusbrig]

The number of votes for a poem seem to go up and down like the tide. The last time I looked I had three poems on nine and now I only have one. If ones ego relies on votes cast then it is going to be doubly bruised canvasing for votes and then having achieved them, they are then mysteriously taken away.

Best to rely on the reader's comments and reactions and if they don't react favourably, you have to consider why and after considering why, if you think they are wrong, to hell with them.

 

[WickedEve]

Sack, forget the H's, you want H's get a fan club (or you can join one), go for quality comments, difficult thing to ask for, but strive for it.
Witch reminds me Eve, how come you turned your comments OFF but left the voting ON?
Give up?

No, #2.
Comments are on near the bottom of my list. I've saving the poems, and as I save a poem, I turn off the comments. I just need to finish my list so I can move them to a new home.

 

[WickedEve]

or he could just talk about tits and dildos to start the race toward his poems.

that works too, no eve?

Why ask me? I have no interest in dildos.




(I have a photo of my favorite. He's sitting above the fireplace in my bedroom. I like him warm.)

 

[flyguy69]

Along with the group recommendations on Sunday, I was wondering if a special day should be put aside (Saturday comes to mind) for people to post their poems that are "stuck" at 8 or 9 votes. Many of these poems are only not earning an "H" due to fewer people voting for poems in general. My idea is to have others review such poems, and vote FAIRLY...not a blanket "5" or "4" or any other number. The only drawback would be the trolls would notice too...but I wonder if the extra recognition for these "borderline" poems would be worth the public exposure. I need feedback here....it seems that everyone has a poem or two that amasses 8-9 votes and "dies", and this would address that common dilemma.

Sack

Are you switching from "public comment whore" to "H whore"?

 

[sack]

very funny, fly...

Are you switching from "public comment whore" to "H " whore?


Well, with less than half of my poems and stories earning an "H" I would hardly call myself an "H" whore. The problem with the whole "H" business is that it is so ridiculously arbitrary. Laurel and Manu could have decided that 12 votes deserve an "H" or 8 or whatever. But consider this: you have two poems, one is at 10 votes and 4.50, the other is at 9 votes and 5.00. The first poem will have an "H" next to it but the second one won't. I ask you, which is the "hotter" poem really? I would vote for the 5.00 poem. I bet there are THOUSANDS of poems sitting at 9 votes right now in the 4.50-5.00 range. Don't they deserve a chance to be resurrected and reread, and voted on if appropriate?

Sack

 

[PatCarrington]

I bet there are THOUSANDS of poems sitting at 9 votes right now in the 4.50-5.00 range. Don't they deserve a chance to be resurrected and reread, and voted on if appropriate?

Sack

to me, the problem here is that you are giving the impression that the H actually has real meaning.

it is mentioned too often, in my opinion, especially by newer poets, who could better spend their worrytime learning how to make their poetry better instead of figuring out ways to court votes.

 

[Reltne]

Agreed !!

to me, the problem here is that you are giving the impression that the H actually has real meaning.

It is mentioned too often, in my opinion, especially by newer poets, who could better spend their worrytime learning how to make their poetry better instead of figuring out ways to court votes.

Very few of my submissions have 10 votes, but so what??? If you like what you wrote,that is sufficient, if not, why did you submit it?

 

[PatCarrington]

Very few of my submissions have 10 votes, but so what??? If you like what you wrote,that is sufficient, if not, why did you submit it?

i'm with you on that one.

i just think too many new poets with great potential show up and get caught in the voting game...i think that is harmful to them, at least in "time wasted," if not in other ways.

 

[sack]

For some people, the "H" does have meaning....

to me, the problem here is that you are giving the impression that the H actually has real meaning.

it is mentioned too often, in my opinion, especially by newer poets, who could better spend their worrytime learning how to make their poetry better instead of figuring out ways to court votes.




I think people need to respect the fact that voting patterns, "H"s, etc, may be useful to some. I find with my poems, I generally feel the ones with "H"s are truly the most well written. Occasionally I like a lower rated poem more than the masses, but that's OK. Sometimes it's just interesting to read what others think of my efforts. Saying that the "H" has no meaning is a bit extreme, and if you were given the 20 most recent "H" poems to read, I suspect they would be the ones most cited in the New Poems Reviews, and frankly probably worth your time. Which is NOT to say a poem without an "H" is not worth reading. That's the whole point, a highly rated poem at 9 votes meant nine people loved it enough to vote on it. Yet, it might die on the vine if certain individuals only read "H" poems, or read "H" poems before other poems. And please don't say people don't ever do that....I have plenty of PM's that state otherwise.

If voting or the literotica rating system are unimportant to you, so be it. But to imply that people who contemplate the issues with voting are "wasting their time" smacks of superiority. And I can think of some people who IMHO, waste their time churning one mediocre poem out after another. But it's their time, isn't it? People need to be respected at how they spend their own time. Nuff Said!

Sack

 

[Du Lac]

Hey Sack

I read through this thread and still I just can not get the real meaning of it. So let me just state this:

Sack you are a talented writer and the votes or E or H levels should not even enter your mind. I hope you understand that you are wasting alot of creative energy responding to this mission of votes that could used in the creative world you thrive in. Music, poetry, short stories so nicely done. Need no recognition just write
Du~

 

[sack]

Why shouldn't thoughts of "E's or "H"s enter my mind?

Do you mean to tell me NOONE on this forum has ever written what they thought was a killer poem and wondered as it was submitted if it might get an "H" or "E"? I freely admit that I have. If that makes me materialistic, so be it. I have been fascinated with numbers since I was a little kid and toying with them is always fun for me. The voting patterns of poems, number of reads, etc., I simply find interesting. And frankly, I think it's OK to be recognized for ANYTHING you do. There are so few contests involving poems, I think the "H" idea is fine. It's just that a story can more easily amass 10 votes because of the greater readership than a poem. And that is my main concern....it's difficult for poems to get 10 votes simply due to fewer people voting. Which brings us back to the beginning of this thread....

Sack

 

[My Erotic Tale]

to me, the problem here is that you are giving the impression that the H actually has real meaning.

it is mentioned too often, in my opinion, especially by newer poets, who could better spend their worrytime learning how to make their poetry better instead of figuring out ways to court votes.




I think people need to respect the fact that voting patterns, "H"s, etc, may be useful to some. I find with my poems, I generally feel the ones with "H"s are truly the most well written. Occasionally I like a lower rated poem more than the masses, but that's OK. Sometimes it's just interesting to read what others think of my efforts. Saying that the "H" has no meaning is a bit extreme, and if you were given the 20 most recent "H" poems to read, I suspect they would be the ones most cited in the New Poems Reviews, and frankly probably worth your time. Which is NOT to say a poem without an "H" is not worth reading. That's the whole point, a highly rated poem at 9 votes meant nine people loved it enough to vote on it. Yet, it might die on the vine if certain individuals only read "H" poems, or read "H" poems before other poems. And please don't say people don't ever do that....I have plenty of PM's that state otherwise.

If voting or the literotica rating system are unimportant to you, so be it. But to imply that people who contemplate the issues with voting are "wasting their time" smacks of superiority. And I can think of some people who IMHO, waste their time churning one mediocre poem out after another. But it's their time, isn't it? People need to be respected at how they spend their own time. Nuff Said!

Sack

<bigrin>

Well, that went over like water in a waterfall

The alternative; to achieve what is obviously something you wish to obtain, would be to show a thread to recognize your poems need! Focus on what your trying to achieve.

You want...post them here, you got a couple that only need one vote? Link it, ask and you shall recieve <said by somebody>(grin) you have a thread made, made your point, now point to where ya want some help.

but I can't see a day for old poems, I had a thread 'Dusty Poems" went for about a week, popped up now and then , rybka has the spinner,<best so far> a spinner thread was made, it is still here somewhere, and I saw another thread the other day that titled 'old poems' <similar> the way I see it a way to recognize old poems hasn't been succesful yet, other than poets sharing for what ever the topic, brainstorm and figure that one and you might have something similar, but not a day for all to toss a poem in for votes.

Ill go write a medium size 'okra' poem now<grin>

 

[annaswirls]

grrr

I turned off voting
but I still
on occasion
say

grr

because I know poems on the top list get more reads
poems with the little H get more reads
and damn it I like when people read my poetry
there might be a kindred spirit out there who I don't meet
because sigh
no
scarlet
H

hehe

half kidding
half not
not sure which half is which

happy hallowed eve

sack whattya want us to vote on anywho?

Seattle Rain has a perfect 5 with nine votes from a year ago.
I should hook her up.

 

[Guest]

Blood - a poem that did well last month - disappeared off the pop list completely.


Pffft - I don't get it.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYONE!​

 

[Du Lac]

Morning Sack

Well let me say this. I am happy you cleared that up for I wanted you to know that your poetry's worth was not connected to an E or H. You have depth and style that is consistantly evolving and most of your works are gems.

I know most of my work needs to be rewritten. I rarely go see what the voting status is on my works. But I will freely admit I do enjoy the little red H's and knowing that others are reading my work.

I have many poems with high 4's or a 5.0 with 8 or 9 votes. Art laughs at me because it really does not worry me. I believe the difference is that I want people to read my works because they are intrigued with them not because I asked them to and tell them I need a vote.

I only have a few poems that I feel are truley good. I can count them on one hand. When I start to write so I can see a red H next to my poem, I need to step back and go re-evalute why I am writing. Now this is just me. Not meant for anyone else, just how I work. As I admit next to my gems which I only have 3, I like to see that H, but that is not why I write them and I only hope that others will help me see where I need work.

In conclusion, yes the H and E factor brings in more readers. We all want our works read and to hear that someone got what we were conveying or not. That is how we grow. I have looked back at works that I thought were great and now laugh when I read them. If I had kind constructive feedback I would have grown more with the poem but everything has it's time. I just want you to write for the writing not the votes and to understand you do not need others to validate your work. If you listen deep inside you will know when something is good or not. For me this is the greatest gift.

blessings
Du~

 

[sack]

I basically agree, Du...

and I do listen to my "inner voice" when trying to assess my own work. However, people don't live in a vacuum, and most of the time "two heads are better than one." I wish more people shared your enthusiasm for constructive criticism. Voting just for your friends and then merely offering an "attaboy" will hardly help anyone improve their craft. We should be thankful for the Reltes, the twelveones, the tathagatas who are not afraid to offer suggestions for improvement. Although I have internal conviction for my own work, sometimes it's
just nice to have the external warm fuzzies as well.

Sack

 

[twelveoone]

and I do listen to my "inner voice" when trying to assess my own work. However, people don't live in a vacuum, and most of the time "two heads are better than one." I wish more people shared your enthusiasm for constructive criticism. Voting just for your friends and then merely offering an "attaboy" will hardly help anyone improve their craft. We should be thankful for the Reltes, the twelveones, the tathagatas who are not afraid to offer suggestions for improvement. Although I have internal conviction for my own work, sometimes it's
just nice to have the external warm fuzzies as well.

Sack

interesting, percentagewise I probably blasted you more than anybody.
Here you get an "attaboy".